Great Boeheim Quote

[Who Dey Time]

After tonight's win over WVU, Jim Boeheim said this regarding his team recent struggles:

"I think people think the season's over. The season's over when we play 18 games in the league. We still have four more games by my count," he said. "We lost four games to teams in the top 15 in the country. I think if we keep things in perspective, we're probably a little bit ahead at this stage of the season. It rains a lot here. Sometimes I think we need to keep perspective a little bit."

IMO, some people in Cincinnati could learn something from this. Six games to go and opportunity exists.

[MDW79]

What people think the season is over for a 20th ranked team, that has a coach with that resume? A recent title, recent 1 seeds, numerous top 3 seeds. And they happen to be coming off a win, and now are 8-6 in conference. 21-6 overall.

I guess it comes down to standards. Perhaps some supporters of their program are not happy with that, or their coaches proven record.. I'm certainly sure they're spoiled with so much success. We would kill for their year "that is over":

And meanwhile, we're expected to stomach what is shaping up to be another sub par year b/c it's only year 5, and we have a low star 4 recruit, and four 3 stars coming in with loads of inexperience. Gee whiz, Beav, neat-o.

A simple case of the haves, and the have not's.

How would it be to doubt Boeheim, when his team is ranked? Must be nice to strive for more than crossing your fingers and hoping to God you have the opportunity of landing a 10 seed.

Boehiem is a proven winner this time of year, has a better record, and a better team. Mick is a proven loser come Feb and March, has average talent, a worse record, and not too mention a worse SOS too. BIG difference.

[KY Bearcat]

If we were 20th in the country, had a proven winner of a coach and had 2 more wins in the conference, like Syracuse currently has, we wouldn't be worrying...our situation is NOTHING like that of the 'Cuse.

[bcbearcat12]

i agree that opportunity exists in the rest of the season, but given the events of the past few weeks i don't think anyone feels too good about the cats moving forward. Also i think it's rather unreasonable to compare jim boeheim and syracuse to mick cronin and UC.

also anyone else see xavier crack the top 25 this week? good for us i guess but it still makes me sick to my stomach.

[BearcatJoe]

I don't think the intent of the OP was to compare UC to Syracuse. Obviously that is ridiculous. The point was that the season is not over. Their are 6 games left and the opportunity is still there to make a run, regardless of all the rain, doom, and gloom.

[oldcat48]

I thought it was that Boeheim was telling the fans to lighten up and not be so negative (It rains a lot here) when there are games to be played. I don't understand negativity by Syracuse fans, for the reasons people have cited above. They have as good a chance as any for winning it all. He was the national COY last year, right?

[subflea]

I thought it was that Boeheim was telling the fans to lighten up and not be so negative (It rains a lot here) when there are games to be played. I don't understand negativity by Syracuse fans, for the reasons people have cited above. They have as good a chance as any for winning it all. He was the national COY last year, right?

The negativity had to do with losing 6 of 8 prior to last night, after starting out 18-0.

[Former Lurker]

They're having a subpar year, which means we should've taken the opportunity to pick them off. Our record would look much better with a win over Syracuse.

You can't be great every year, unless you're John Wooden. But Mick has underachieved three years straight (not counting the two in which little could reasonably have been expected of him).

[UCEE73]

Mick is a proven loser come Feb and March ...

I've heard this "late collapse" meme regarding Mick's coaching for years here and on other boards. It seems to me that by amazing coincidence, Feb and March are the teeth of the conference season. Might Big East conference games be the toughest part of any Big East team's schedule? Why not? Would Big East games tend to wear down teams more than those played against other conferences simply because of the proliferation of highly skilled as well as highly physical opposition?

People who are pining for the second coming of a sainted coach like to make comparisons that don't include the strength of in-conference games in their seasonal analysis. Take a look at our historical schedule on kenpom. It's easy to click through the seasons going back through 2003.

And speaking of second half of the season collapses; what the heck happened in 2003? No, really. I don't remember.

[Deaf_Bearcat]

Syracuse's current struggle is not comparable to UC's current struggle. Great elite teams do have some down years. UC has been down for a long time since around 2005.

[Best Body]

I've heard this "late collapse" meme regarding Mick's coaching for years here and on other boards. It seems to me that by amazing coincidence, Feb and March are the teeth of the conference season. Might Big East conference games be the toughest part of any Big East team's schedule? Why not? Would Big East games tend to wear down teams more than those played against other conferences simply because of the proliferation of highly skilled as well as highly physical opposition?

People who are pining for the second coming of a sainted coach like to make comparisons that don't include the strength of in-conference games in their seasonal analysis. Take a look at our historical schedule on kenpom. It's easy to click through the seasons going back through 2003.

And speaking of second half of the season collapses; what the heck happened in 2003? No, really. I don't remember.

Not all BE teams collapse in Feb & March. Speculating that a poor conference performance is only due to playing in a tough conference is so very weak. A season analysis is correctly heavily dependent on how the team does IN conference. That is, has the program succeeded against it's peers? Can it this year? If not, there is a very big problem. This is not a small conference program, so beating up on small conference schools in the early season warmups before conference play essentially proves nothing. How UC does against it's peers means everything.

Yes it is a tough conference, but being in an elite conference allows the program to get better recruiting, exposure, etc. than it would have otherwise. All the coaches and assistants in the conference have the same opportunity to recruit and develop players, and to coach them in conference games. Our program must be measured against other Big East programs' levels of success.

For me, defending another bottom half finish in the conference with all of the "but the BE is so so tough" talk is very frutstrating. When UC joined the conference, I don't think they did so to become a conference non-factor. The program needs to take gigantic steps forward in the league. In order for that to happen, the talent level needs to increase alot. I think those on this board who think this team has enough talent with this current group and/or the next class are not being realistic.

[Who Dey Time]

I obviously wasn't comparing SU and UC. The point of the quote was that fans tend to overreact to a team's current situation and not allow the season to play itself out before reaching any solid conclusions.

The quote was directed at those who still want to hang in there and stick it out with this team. I will be.

I know that some here are gone....frankly, screw them. Maybe we can just create a fire Cronin thread where they can go play in their fantasy land.

[coach]

if we won a few games this time of the year when we need them, the feeling would be quite a bit more spirited. we've watched this before, time to prove it. you'll have another big opportunity tomorrow. either get it done, or quit making excuses mick. you can't expect a fan base to basically be contributing ticket money for 2 or 3 years for ridiculous decisions by this administration and trustees, and continue to show up to watch your squad fold in the end. if you can't put a competitive squad on the floor(and that means winning some of these games) then let someone else try. this is big business kids and these guys are well paid. i don't expect to watch lousiville charge at will to the bucket like wv and the coach continue to play man to man. put your team in a position to win. there are way to many consistent themes in the breakdowns out there, and they are often the type associated with coaching. give the fans some reason to be optimistic!

[bearcatbbllfn]

I know that some here are gone....frankly, screw them. Maybe we can just create a fire Cronin thread where they can go play in their fantasy land.

Really, go start a Bitter Bearcat fans site and spend all your time there instead of here. At least they wont have to argue with the supporters anymore. Im with you. If this was my site, I wouldnt care about fairness. I would care about presenting a fan friendly site.

[Best Body]

Really, go start a Bitter Bearcat fans site and spend all your time there instead of here. At least they wont have to argue with the supporters anymore. Im with you. If this was my site, I wouldnt care about fairness. I would care about presenting a fan friendly site.

All fans/supporters don't think everyting is fine. A fan friendly site allows for fair criticism. If this was your site, it'd be propaganda.

[bearcatbbllfn]

All fans/supporters don't think everyting is fine. A fan friendly site allows for fair criticism. If this was your site, it'd be propaganda.

I dont think all is fine either but I know the seasons not over. I know it does nothing to help our program presenting it in a negative manner. Things are bad enough. Its not fair that people in a bad mood about the program can come in and ruin the mood of those trying to be supportive and hopeful. I quit reading the enquirer article comments because of the aggressive negativity there. I am willing to do whatever to keep my programs reputation from being what the aggressors make it out ot be. Thats all.

[TheLivingLegend]

I would care about presenting a fan friendly site.

So you want a false sense of happiness about the lack of progress UC has made? Cmon now, this isnt 2nd grade where at the end of the game, regardless of the outcome your getting a trophy.

[bearcatbbllfn]

So you want a false sense of happiness about the lack of progress UC has made? Cmon now, this isnt 2nd grade where at the end of the game, regardless of the outcome your getting a trophy.

Well if I were an 18 yr old that came here for first time, I would probaly think F the bearcats. what was I thinking? They arent worth my time. It be a big turn off. Is this what we want? Not all criticism is as bad as others. Just making another way to look at things.

[TheLivingLegend]

Well if I were an 18 yr old that came here for first time, I would probaly think F the bearcats. what was I thinking? They arent worth my time. It be a big turn off. Is this what we want? Not all criticism is as bad as others. Just making another way to look at things.

Fair enough.

[BearCatMarcher]

Well if I were an 18 yr old that came here for first time, I would probaly think F the bearcats. what was I thinking? They arent worth my time. It be a big turn off. Is this what we want? Not all criticism is as bad as others. Just making another way to look at things.

I came and stayed. (Not <= 18 but close)

Your point is invalid.

[Lobot]

Folks, the thread title is about Boeheim's quote. Please discuss that if you choose rather than beating up on each other. Personal arguments can be handled in PM.

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Boeheim always tells the media his team aint that good when ranked high, and the sky aint fallin when they lose some games.

All I know is UC better start scoring more than 60 pts a game or else here's what you'll see: Cincinnati (19-12, 6-12 Big East)

[Pruke]

After tonight's win over WVU, Jim Boeheim said this regarding his team recent struggles:

"I think people think the season's over. The season's over when we play 18 games in the league. We still have four more games by my count," he said. "We lost four games to teams in the top 15 in the country. I think if we keep things in perspective, we're probably a little bit ahead at this stage of the season. It rains a lot here. Sometimes I think we need to keep perspective a little bit."

IMO, some people in Cincinnati could learn something from this. Six games to go and opportunity exists.

Coach Cronin?

[ME80]

Coach Cronin?

Huh? Seems to me he is the only one thinking that the season isn't over. If I took anything out Boeheim's quotes it is that fans are the same everywhere, they prefer to complain and be negative, apparently it is more fun.