What do Mick Cronin and Tony Yates have in common?

[Doss]

1. Both are local guys
2. Both are alumni
3. Both will always be compared with a WVU Grad - Catlett and Huggins
4. Both supposed to be great recruiters
5. Both over saw a dark era
6. Could either coach? NO NO

[SLMadiCat]

1. Both are local guys
2. Both are alumni
3. Both will always be compared with a WVU Grad - Catlett and Huggins
4. Both supposed to be great recruiters
5. Both over saw a dark era
6. Could either coach? NO NO

7. Both know a lot more about basketball than you.

[TheLivingLegend]

Some fans we have around this place... Dont get me wrong, very disapointing watching this team play and develop. But to already be throwing out that Mick cant coach is ridiculous. If in a few years nothing has happened, then we might have issues. To have people already pointing blame and jumping offboard with Mick, is a joke. Only time will tell, but it does no good and frankly im getting tired of hearing all the comments about Mick and his coaching. I have been frustrated with this season, as has everyone, but you dont see me pointing all the blame on one person.. If the players dont wanna play, dont wanna do what they have planned to do, we got major problems, and its not all on Mick.

[SLMadiCat]

Some fans we have around this place... Dont get me wrong, very disapointing watching this team play and develop. But to already be throwing out that Mick cant coach is ridiculous. If in a few years nothing has happened, then we might have issues. To have people already pointing blame and jumping offboard with Mick, is a joke. Only time will tell, but it does no good and frankly im getting tired of hearing all the comments about Mick and his coaching. I have been frustrated with this season, as has everyone, but you dont see me pointing all the blame on one person.. If the players dont wanna play, dont wanna do what they have planned to do, we got major problems, and its not all on Mick.

Most of these people that just signed up recently aren't fans, they're flamers still holding a grudge. And guess what, a lot follow, but don't actually know too much about basketball.

Knowledgeable people knew it was going to take a few years to get back into the big time. I was hoping Mick would pull a miracle but he didn't when he wasn't able to sign Tyler Smith, E. Harvey and Co. Then his best player goes down with a season ending injury. This year alone, they very well could have had Williams, Adam H, McClain and Hernol Hall down low. Unfortunate circumstances didn't allow that. The very fact that next year UC will have McClain, Williams and Gates down low is a breath of fresh air. I still believe these Freshman will turn out pretty good. I hope for the best this year but know that the years to come will be better.

[Bearcat Cafe]

1. Both are local guys
2. Both are alumni
3. Both will always be compared with a WVU Grad - Catlett and Huggins
4. Both supposed to be great recruiters
5. Both over saw a dark era
6. Could either coach? NO NO

7. Both had to deal with ***** bandwagon jumping fans.

[bearcatfan93]

just be patient he will get the job done no doubts you cant start judging him on one bad game if they would of killed uab would u be saying bad things about him?

[Doss]

Still season ticket holder
Season ticket holder over 20 years
Went to games in 60's as student
Been going since
I still go just see 2 years and getting worse.
Went to HS with Daddy Hep. I hope Mick got smarts from Momma.
Still a fan but call a spade a spade.
Compare 2 years of Bob to 2 years of Mick.

[cincyjmax54]

I could not agree more that Mick Cronin simply cannot get anything done. It makes no difference of who is on the team. They have not gotten any better from game to game...and have not gotten any better from last year to this. Mick Cronin was hired based on being a great recruiter and a local guy. They were hoping he would be a good coach. This is not the case. Someone please explain to me how someone goes from being a JV coach at Woodward to video coordinator to assistant under two great coaches (huggins and pitino) and then ride their coat tails to a head coaching job at a small school to being a head coach at a premier program that is quickly going down the tubes. Anyone know who Woodwards coach is now...? I would love to have him.

[cincyjmax54]

I dont mean to put all the blame on him.... cause you are right it isnt all him. It is for sure a lot on the players as well. But do not put it all on the players and Zimpher because it is for sure true that Mick Cronin is not very good my friendly fans

[SLMadiCat]

I dont mean to put all the blame on him.... cause you are right it isnt all him. It is for sure a lot on the players as well. But do not put it all on the players and Zimpher because it is for sure true that Mick Cronin is not very good my friendly fans

Right, because he is losing with a bunch of 1 and 2 year players, he is not very good? However, I guess you did make a good argument (please catch the extreme sarcasm here).

[tophat]

1. Both are local guys
2. Both are alumni
3. Both will always be compared with a WVU Grad - Catlett and Huggins
4. Both supposed to be great recruiters
5. Both over saw a dark era
6. Could either coach? NO NO

I knew and worked with Tony and I am close to the current situation, and let me assure you there's no comparison. Mick is bringing in FAR superior talent in the 07 and 08 classes -- they just need time to have an impact. Mick is also a much harder worker than Tony was. The main problem is Mick wasn't able to recruit quality players last year, so we don't have the talent in the upperclassmen.

This group looks dreadful right now, but give the freshmen time to learn to play at this level, and give them all a chance to become a team. December was sure to be ugly. By sometime in January I expect them to look like a team. They may not win alot of games, but they won't look like this. It's pretty stupid to judge a coach by the way a freshman dominated, injury-plagued team is performing in early December. This year the freshmen learn and develop. Next year they win. That's my expectation.

My concern is Biggie's foot injury, not coaching. He needs to be healthy and learning on the floor. This team has been bitten by the injury bug, big time.

[Bearcat82]

WHAAAT???!!......You are kidding me. You mean Mick gets the job, recruits what's left-over in the juco ranks and he doesn't turn it around in a year???!!....JC must have been busy when Mike Thomas called.

(sorry, I really did tell myself I wasn't going to dignify this thread with a response)

[nolte50uc]

7. Both know a lot more about basketball than you.

So true. No more.

[Bryan]

7. Both know a lot more about basketball than you.

I hope you have stronger arguments than this... :)

OTOH, I'm still not giving up on Mick. I may know two coaches I would rather be coaching the 'cats, but he is our coach, and I like his deep connections to the program. He took over a program in disarray, I wish his progress was quicker, but he has a huge task bringing us back, and being in the BEast is not going to help our win total.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

1. Both are local guys
2. Both are alumni
3. Both will always be compared with a WVU Grad - Catlett and Huggins
4. Both supposed to be great recruiters
5. Both over saw a dark era
6. Could either coach? NO NO

Don't agree with #6 but I'll add #7 - both were UC assistants who moved on to be a recruiting assistant elsewhere before returning to UC.

[Bearcat82]

[B]#8[B] Both inherited programs destroyed by their predecessor's actions

[Lobot]

This may have been posted before but has anyone realized that we have a team made up of mostly misfit JCs and first year players?

Stop judging Mick. Seriously, it's wayyyyyyyyy too early to be judging Mick's body of work.

IMO people should expect this team to do no better than .500. Maybe A little better than that if the freshman and Adam start to heat up at the end of the season.

As for Tony Yates, He has a place in UC basketball history and it's not as a coach. He was tragically bad at that. I don't expect the same from Mick.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

[B]#8[B] Both inherited programs destroyed by their predecessor's actions

Ed Badger destroyed the UC program??? Gale Catlett did but not Badger.

Bob Huggins did not destroy UC but restored it to its former luster as a program.

[SLMadiCat]

I hope you have stronger arguments than this... :)

OTOH, I'm still not giving up on Mick. I may know two coaches I would rather be coaching the 'cats, but he is our coach, and I like his deep connections to the program. He took over a program in disarray, I wish his progress was quicker, but he has a huge task bringing us back, and being in the BEast is not going to help our win total.

I do, but I've had to post them in so many other topics that I didn't feel like posting it here. And it's pretty obvious.

[cincycpaw]

Most of these people that just signed up recently aren't fans, they're flamers still holding a grudge. And guess what, a lot follow, but don't actually know too much about basketball.




Oh please step down from your self proclaimed pedestal.

Just about everyone here knows far more about winning basketball then the UC administration.

Mick chose to take on a very tough situation. He'll need some time for sure, but it's ok to criticize him as well as the situation builds. Whose fault is it that the seniors don't listen to him?

I think he'll be fine, I really hope so. But, we haven't seen any glimmer of hope yet to be honest.

[nolte50uc]

Oh please step down from your self proclaimed pedestal.

Just about everyone here knows far more about winning basketball then the UC administration.

Mick chose to take on a very tough situation. He'll need some time for sure, but it's ok to criticize him as well as the situation builds. Whose fault is it that the seniors don't listen to him?

I think he'll be fine, I really hope so. But, we haven't seen any glimmer of hope yet to be honest.

glimmer of hope -> recruiting. It doesn't pay off right away, but it will.

[Deaf_Bearcat]

Be patient! Just give him 3 years (the reasonable time) to build the basketball program. You have to remember the program was TOTALLY decimated after Huggins was forced to leave UC. You will have a good reason on this at 3 years later.

[cincyjmax54]

still wondering who woodwards jv coach is now...I would rather have him or her...it doesnt matter

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Some fans we have around this place... Dont get me wrong, very disapointing watching this team play and develop. But to already be throwing out that Mick cant coach is ridiculous. If in a few years nothing has happened, then we might have issues. To have people already pointing blame and jumping offboard with Mick, is a joke. Only time will tell, but it does no good and frankly im getting tired of hearing all the comments about Mick and his coaching. I have been frustrated with this season, as has everyone, but you dont see me pointing all the blame on one person.. If the players dont wanna play, dont wanna do what they have planned to do, we got major problems, and its not all on Mick.

There are always a lot of bandwagon fans. These same people will be the same ones going overboard when we win. I have been a fan since the days of Oscar, and, I have been through both the best of times and the worst of times. And, admittedly, my interest is a lot higher when they win, but, the true fans will stick by the team through the tough times. We'll get there. Rebuilding just takes some time.

[bearcated]

I was wondering when the comparisons to Yates would come out. I think its a bit early to throw Mick under the bus.

I think its too early to panic. Am I concerned? Heck yeah. Am I questioning some of the things going on? You bet. Its fair to question and criticize Mick. Its fair to have expectations as long as those expectations are realistic.

All I can do is keep going to the games and try to retain my sanity.

[bearcated]

Be patient! Just give him 3 years (the reasonable time) to build the basketball program. You have to remember the program was TOTALLY decimated after Huggins was forced to leave UC. You will have a good reason on this at 3 years later.

Are you saying 3 years from when Mick took over (which would be next year), or three years from now (which would be year five)? I get those that say it takes time to rebuild. I just have to be honest and say three more years like last year and this and I could lose my mind.

[Bearcat Jeff]

Are you saying 3 years from when Mick took over (which would be next year), or three years from now (which would be year five)? I get those that say it takes time to rebuild. I just have to be honest and say three more years like last year and this and I could lose my mind.

I would say expect to see a vastly improved team next season, and by year 5a regular tournament team.

[SLMadiCat]

Oh please step down from your self proclaimed pedestal.

Just about everyone here knows far more about winning basketball then the UC administration.

Mick chose to take on a very tough situation. He'll need some time for sure, but it's ok to criticize him as well as the situation builds. Whose fault is it that the seniors don't listen to him?

I think he'll be fine, I really hope so. But, we haven't seen any glimmer of hope yet to be honest.

Pedestal? I like that one. Sorry but when a new user signs up and immediately starts blasting and insulting the coach without even providing some sort of argument, they are a flamer. Criticism is fair, but there is a difference between criticism and just flaming.

As for knowing more than the administration, who is debating that? He doesn't know more than Yates or Cronin.

[SLMadiCat]

still wondering who woodwards jv coach is now...I would rather have him or her...it doesnt matter

Really, if you are still wondering, just look it up yourself. Or are you not capable of that? It really isn't that hard.

[Irishbearcat]

Seems kinda early (considering that we didn't have enough guys to practice when Mick came on board) to throw him under the bus. Give him two more years. I would want that if I took the job.

[bearcated]

I would say expect to see a vastly improved team next season, and by year 5a regular tournament team.

That's my hope as well. My concern is the relative youth of the team next year, and big Mike coming back after 2 years of not playing. To me I think its important that the Gates kid be a big time player.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I was wondering when the comparisons to Yates would come out. I think its a bit early to throw Mick under the bus.

I think its too early to panic. Am I concerned? Heck yeah. Am I questioning some of the things going on? You bet. Its fair to question and criticize Mick. Its fair to have expectations as long as those expectations are realistic.

All I can do is keep going to the games and try to retain my sanity.

Yates was much worse his first year and much better his second year. The NCAA shenanigans (and ultimately probation) really sealed Coach Yates' fate.

[steelo]

Most of these people that just signed up recently aren't fans, they're flamers still holding a grudge. And guess what, a lot follow, but don't actually know too much about basketball.

Knowledgeable people knew it was going to take a few years to get back into the big time. I was hoping Mick would pull a miracle but he didn't when he wasn't able to sign Tyler Smith, E. Harvey and Co. Then his best player goes down with a season ending injury. This year alone, they very well could have had Williams, Adam H, McClain and Hernol Hall down low. Unfortunate circumstances didn't allow that. The very fact that next year UC will have McClain, Williams and Gates down low is a breath of fresh air. I still believe these Freshman will turn out pretty good. I hope for the best this year but know that the years to come will be better.

I have been reading this post for years, and registered a few months ago and never posted. I just like to read. If I make a critical comment about this train wreck of a team, I guess that makes me a "flamer" who doesn't "actually know too much about basketball."

I'm sure everyone who reads these posts care about the 'Cats. Some know more about basketball than others. I don't know how much I know. I'm sure YOU will be the judge of that!

[cincyjmax54]

Really, if you are still wondering, just look it up yourself. Or are you not capable of that? It really isn't that hard.

Oh master of knowledge, please help me figure this out because woodwards website does not have it listed.

[SLMadiCat]

Oh master of knowledge, please help me figure this out because woodwards website does not have it listed.

Still isn't too difficult to find out.

[UCfanOSUstudent]

UC has such an unhealthy fan-base and alumni. Talk about supporting a coach and not the program (i.e. Huggins). Players loved the coach and not the school. How many times do you see Kenyon coming back to sit behind the bench (of this current team) or any former player for that matter (besides Oscar). I don't want to compare it to any other school but definitely needs to be. Alumni give so much $ to the school, athletic program, etc. because they have allegiance to the University, not Jim Tressel or Thad Matta. Former players from the past eras (Mike Redd, etc.) come back and and support the team, even though their coach is not still there. Get over the situation, support the school and these kids despite everything. It should be the school you're supporting not Cronin or Huggins or whomever.

[jkwuc89]

I could not agree more. I am a graduate of and a fan of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats. And in general, I am a fan of a team and not of particular players or coaches. When a player or coach leaves UC (or any other team that I follow), I quickly lose interest in what they are doing.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

UC has such an unhealthy fan-base and alumni. Talk about supporting a coach and not the program (i.e. Huggins). Players loved the coach and not the school. How many times do you see Kenyon coming back to sit behind the bench (of this current team) or any former player for that matter (besides Oscar). I don't want to compare it to any other school but definitely needs to be. Alumni give so much $ to the school, athletic program, etc. because they have allegiance to the University, not Jim Tressel or Thad Matta. Former players from the past eras (Mike Redd, etc.) come back and and support the team, even though their coach is not still there. Get over the situation, support the school and these kids despite everything. It should be the school you're supporting not Cronin or Huggins or whomever.

I've followed UC avidly under Smith, Jucker, Baker, Catlett (ugh!), Badger, Yates, Huggins, and Cronin.

[CincyBeerCo]

UC has such an unhealthy fan-base and alumni. Talk about supporting a coach and not the program (i.e. Huggins). Players loved the coach and not the school. How many times do you see Kenyon coming back to sit behind the bench (of this current team) or any former player for that matter (besides Oscar). I don't want to compare it to any other school but definitely needs to be. Alumni give so much $ to the school, athletic program, etc. because they have allegiance to the University, not Jim Tressel or Thad Matta. Former players from the past eras (Mike Redd, etc.) come back and and support the team, even though their coach is not still there. Get over the situation, support the school and these kids despite everything. It should be the school you're supporting not Cronin or Huggins or whomever.


Great point! My memories of Bearcat basketball don't start until the end of the Badger years, and more prominently the Yates years. That being said I am a true fan of the SCHOOL not the coaches. My affinity (to Keith's point) to an ex-coach is directly porportioned to how much that person did for the school. For instance I still have a huge spot in my heart for Huggs (not nearly what it was however) because he put Bearcat basketball in rare national company and paved the way for us to be in the BEast. I also have a spot in my heart for Yates (though no where as big as the one for Huggs). He won titles as a player and I rooted fo him as a coach. This mentality crosses to football as well (Curry - horrible, Murphy - ok , Minter - got us to our first bowl game since the 50's....and so on).

I know this rant isn't very cohesive, but my point is just to back up that fact that it needs to be about the university not the individual coach. You whole heartedly root for each coach, but only because you want whats best for your school. And you only hold on to any allegiance to said coach because of what they were able to achieve for your school. I absolutely love Mick for everything, from being a local boy bearcat fan, to being Huggs assistant and now our head coach. I will support him as long as I feel he has the program's best interests at heart. I beleive he does. Give him time. Go Mick, Go CATS!!!

Sorry...done rambling.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I could not agree more. I am a graduate of and a fan of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats. And in general, I am a fan of a team and not of particular players or coaches. When a player or coach leaves UC (or any other team that I follow), I quickly lose interest in what they are doing.

I followed Oscar in the NBA. K-Mart in the NBA. To name 2 examples.

If there were posts here saying that Oscar Stinks or K-Mart Was Overrated, I'd defend both of them by posting accurate facts about their UC Bearcat accomplishments.

[Doss]

As a student we drove to Evansville when Cats needed a playoff vs. Wichita State to get into NCAA and win 2nd Title. Watched Oscar at Armory. Sat at the Gardens. Froze at Colisium. Season tickets from the day the Shoe and Huggs became legend.

In football with 85 scholarships it does take time to put your stamp on a program. With BB and 13 scholarships, 3 excellent players can make a team.

This years team lost what? Cedric and Ron Allen. One would expect the additions to improve the team. I cannot see it, nor can I see even 9 wins. Look at the schedule and tell me where 5 more wins are? Can you see 2 more?

A darkness fell on the program and there is no light to be seen. And Mick will not lead us to the promised land.

[cincycpaw]

I could not agree more. I am a graduate of and a fan of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats. And in general, I am a fan of a team and not of particular players or coaches. When a player or coach leaves UC (or any other team that I follow), I quickly lose interest in what they are doing.

Why are we talking about this again?

I'm sure almost 100% of us here are UC Bearcat fans. But, unlike you apparently, I think the majority also support the players and coaches that helped the Bearcats in the past. They may be gone, but shouldn't be forgotten.

I am a graduate of the university of Cincinnati, I am a UCATS member, a basketball season ticket holder despite living 500 miles away. I support the Bearcats, the players and the coaches. I support all that want UC Bearcsat basketball to succeed and HATE all that do not.

[DOOGINS]

Wait until we lose about 15 straight then you can really blast Mick! I am sure that not many could win 10 games this season with this current roster. McClain has got to play better than he shows. Mick's biggest problem might be overselling his talent. Downey would have helped but Mick refused to kiss-up to the young guy. Mick really thinks he has better point guards than Downey. The question is can Vaughn penetrate and lead this team. Adam H looks average. Mick certainly out-recruited Yates in his first year. I can not help but praise him for beating XU and Miami last year. This year is going to be lot more difficult. I still believe Yates was better than Badger and left Huggins with a good start. Like Yates, the cupboard was bare for Cronin. If he really cannot coach, good players will stop coming to Cincy. Gates will help, so I give the man 2 more passes(years). Then I will rip with the best of you, we need to be a little patient. Recruiting is 70% of college basketball.

[jeffto]

And Mick will not lead us to the promised land.

I respectfully disagree. For now. Do you think he's forgotten everything he learned from Pitino and Huggins? Everything he learned as a head coach? He gets a lot of respect from other coaches. Why not his own fans?

He's in a unique situation for UC. The cupboards were bare! Unfortunately you cannot recruit veteran, skilled players. He's got some good players, he'll get some more. He'll teach his *** off. The players will start to gel, gain some confidence and than they'll surprise some people.

You seem to be old enough to know that patience is required.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

He's in a unique situation for UC. The cupboards were bare! Unfortunately you cannot recruit veteran, skilled players. He's got some good players, he'll get some more.

Circa 1983.

[jeffto]

Circa 1983.You might as well slow down Tom, there's nothing beyond "Veteran." You do not need to parse every message to find something to which you make a historical reference.

My postings on here are meant to be taken as a whole. Please comment on the overall message and not a word or phrase here and there. Or maybe, here's an idea, you need not comment at all.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

You might as well slow down Tom, there's nothing beyond "Veteran." You do not need to parse every message to find something to which you make a historical reference.

My postings on here are meant to be taken as a whole. Please comment on the overall message and not a word or phrase here and there. Or maybe, here's an idea, you need not comment at all.

Tony Yates was in very similar (not identical) boat in 1983. He took a bare roster to 17-14 in the Metro Conference (Louisville, Memphis, others) in 1984-85, his 2nd season at UC.

I'll comment however I please.

[Iwannarawk]

I could not agree more. I am a graduate of and a fan of the University of Cincinnati Bearcats. And in general, I am a fan of a team and not of particular players or coaches. When a player or coach leaves UC (or any other team that I follow), I quickly lose interest in what they are doing.

That shows lack of tradition and lack of respect for the program. The reason teams like UCLA, Kansas, and North Carolina keep getting the best players is because of fan support and the tradition of a program. Part of tradition is how a player performs at the next level. UC football has taken so long to turn around because there was zero tradition and past players play a huge part in that.

I guess you not caring about the ex players is just one person saying such. I can't imagine why UC fans don't understand this. If you only support the present members of a team than what are you really supporting? A jersey and the University? How is that respecting those players that will soon be forgotten by you?

[Iwannarawk]

I respectfully disagree. For now. Do you think he's forgotten everything he learned from Pitino and Huggins? Everything he learned as a head coach? He gets a lot of respect from other coaches. Why not his own fans?

He's in a unique situation for UC. The cupboards were bare! Unfortunately you cannot recruit veteran, skilled players. He's got some good players, he'll get some more. He'll teach his *** off. The players will start to gel, gain some confidence and than they'll surprise some people.

You seem to be old enough to know that patience is required.

I agree. Tommy Amaker was a great coach simply because he coached under Coach K. Oops.

He coached under arguably the best coach of all time and yet he is probably the worst coach I have ever seen. Each head coach has to pave their own way at some point and I've never seen such poor in game coaching as Mick Cronin as done. He makes terrible adjustments and works the end of games like Marvin Lewis. He also has trouble motivating bad players. That's a bad sign. Most great coaches get the best out of their players from almost day one. Mick Cronin is either recruiting the wrong players or not demanding accountability. He's trying the old Huggins tricks for motivation and it's still not working.

Either that or he just can't develop talent. Recruiting talent is one thing, getting the best out of it is the difference between Tommy Amaker and Coach K.

[jeffto]

I agree. Tommy Amaker was a great coach simply because he coached under Coach K. Oops.

He coached under arguably the best coach of all time and yet he is probably the worst coach I have ever seen. Each head coach has to pave their own way at some point and I've never seen such poor in game coaching as Mick Cronin as done. He makes terrible adjustments and works the end of games like Marvin Lewis. He also has trouble motivating bad players. That's a bad sign. Most great coaches get the best out of their players from almost day one. Mick Cronin is either recruiting the wrong players or not demanding accountability. He's trying the old Huggins tricks for motivation and it's still not working.

Either that or he just can't develop talent. Recruiting talent is one thing, getting the best out of it is the difference between Tommy Amaker and Coach K.

I agree that it sure looks like he's making poor decisions, but I think (hope) it's all part of the dynamic of the situation. Expecting an instant turnaround in the this situation is probably poor decision making too.

How the heck did he get MSU to 24-6? There must be some coaching skills somewhere.

[611116]

The reason teams like UCLA, Kansas, and North Carolina keep getting the best players is because of fan support and the tradition of a program.

And the CONSISTENT support from the administrations at those institutions for quality (i.e. winning) DI athletics.

[Doss]

Huggins is one of the best coaches at teaching D to take away teams strengths. Mick players do not defend the 3 or the backdoor cuts. Actually I am not sure what they defend.

[Cats4Ever]

I respectfully disagree. For now. Do you think he's forgotten everything he learned from Pitino and Huggins? Everything he learned as a head coach? He gets a lot of respect from other coaches. Why not his own fans?

He's in a unique situation for UC. The cupboards were bare! Unfortunately you cannot recruit veteran, skilled players. He's got some good players, he'll get some more. He'll teach his *** off. The players will start to gel, gain some confidence and than they'll surprise some people.

You seem to be old enough to know that patience is required.

I'm not sure what respect from other coaches you refer too.

I was glad as heck to have Larry Finch coaching Memphis State all those years - I knew we would win cause he couldn't coach a lick.

Yet all the coaches respected him too - cause they loved beating him!

Pat Kennedy fit that mold too.

I would think after one full season and another 9 games we would see some team defense or offense - but I'm still waiting.

[ME80]

Huggins is one of the best coaches at teaching D to take away teams strengths. Mick players do not defend the 3 or the backdoor cuts. Actually I am not sure what they defend.

I agree to a point, but his teams did not defend the 3 as well as everyone seems to remember.

[611116]

I'm not sure what respect from other coaches you refer too.

I was glad as heck to have Larry Finch coaching Memphis State all those years - I knew we would win cause he couldn't coach a lick.

Yet all the coaches respected him too - cause they loved beating him!

Pat Kennedy fit that mold too.

I would think after one full season and another 9 games we would see some team defense or offense - but I'm still waiting.

Just remember--wins and losses don't matter--just grades and grad rates. Soon we are going to have one of the most academically gifted squads in DI!

[SLMadiCat]

Just remember--wins and losses don't matter--just grades and grad rates. Soon we are going to have one of the most academically gifted squads in DI!

Look, you've made your point, you hate the administration. There is no reason to keep posting the same thing over and over. We get you.

[Doss]

ISU favoored by 10
XU we get killed
Memphis can name the score
NC State our butts get kicked
Miami finally gets a win over Cats
The rest is Big East could get lucky and beat USF at home
UL NO
Syr NO
Villa NO
ND NO
Pitt NO twice
UConn NO twice
WVU HUGGINS REVENGE
The Hall I doubt
Marq NO
Rutgers NO
The Johnies NO
Georgetown Do not make me laugh
Prov NO
DePaul NO

6 wins at best - Welcome to the new dark era. Thanks Nancy, thanks Mikey Boy Thomas, thanks little Mickey.

[SLMadiCat]

ISU favoored by 10
XU we get killed
Memphis can name the score
NC State our butts get kicked
Miami finally gets a win over Cats
The rest is Big East could get lucky and beat USF at home
UL NO
Syr NO
Villa NO
ND NO
Pitt NO twice
UConn NO twice
WVU HUGGINS REVENGE
The Hall I doubt
Marq NO
Rutgers NO
The Johnies NO
Georgetown Do not make me laugh
Prov NO
DePaul NO

6 wins at best - Welcome to the new dark era. Thanks Nancy, thanks Mikey Boy Thomas, thanks little Mickey.

Little Mickey? Please take your personal insults of members of the UC basketball team to another board (if you are still allowed to post there). Most people on this board would like to actually discuss the basketball team, not take cheap shots at the coach's height or the players (or "hacks", as you may refer to them).

[jon b]

One would expect the additions to improve the team.

Ok, I will bite and join one of the stupidest threads ever.

Can you explain the above quote in terms of recruiting in this day and age? And please realize you will blow a hole in your argument or show no knowledge and understanding of recruiting. Quite the conundrum.

Otherwise, I think it is great that you have been a fan for so long. I also think the jury is out on Mick. He has shown some tendencies that concern me, but he has not yet had a chance to prove much of anything based on the situation.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

...conundrum...

I had to look that one up in the dictionary...

[jeffto]

I had to look that one up in the dictionary...
I'm not surprised :rolleyes:

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

'twas a joke with Dr Jon. He's Walnut Hills, I'm St X grad. Friendly rivalry about which school has better academics.

[jon b]

'twas a joke with Dr Jon. He's Walnut Hills, I'm St X grad. Friendly rivalry about which school has better academics.

Obviously WH, although I ruined it by getting 2 degrees from UC. :rolleyes:

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Obviously WH, although I ruined it by getting 2 degrees from UC. :rolleyes:

We didn't get Conundrum until senior year. Perhaps WH got it sooner.