When did players start deciding who the coach would be?

[MicksTheGuy]

This is truly sad and is really going to bite KSU in a year from now when Walker and Beasly are not around and they are stuck with Martin as a coach.

"I told them that in order for me to stay, they have to hire someone who's been here," Walker said. "I'm pretty sure they heard me and they took that into account when they were talking to Frank."

[SLMadiCat]

This is truly sad and is really going to bite KSU in a year from now when Walker and Beasly are not around and they are stuck with Martin as a coach.

"I told them that in order for me to stay, they have to hire someone who's been here," Walker said. "I'm pretty sure they heard me and they took that into account when they were talking to Frank."

I'm not sure about Frank Martin as a coach, but that is because I don't know much about him in general. But I would agree that it is sad if coaching decisions get based off of what a recruit says.

[shaunsimpson]

Players decide who the coach is when they can cause a succesfull season for the next year or two. Without these players staying then they are in bad shape. And lets be honest here. Is KSU a great coaching position to have? What do they have to lose?

[kstatefan]

Huggins put us in a situation where we had no other choice. Many people don't realize Huggins inherited a team with 5 seniors, our 2007 class was huge no matter what.

If not for hiring Martin, we'd of been left with 6 scholarship players. (two of which didn't average more than 5 mpg last year)

We had no other choice. Hence why we are so mad at Huggs.

[Bearcat_DF]

KSFan,

We know about being stuck. When Huggins and the UC administration came to their "mutual agreement" in August! we were stuck with hiring Andy Kennedy as an interim which meant we went a whole season without recruiting. When Mick Cronin took over last April he only had 3 scholarship players - 1 of whom transfered out (Devan Downey) and another was never a true Div 1 caliber player (Ron Allen).

So we know about being stuck.

Still, the quick hiring of Martin surprised me. I would have thought they would have done at the least a little calling around. You are only 1 of 73 power conference schools, surely their is a quality up and coming coach who would be willing to come. Maybe he wouldn't be able to retain all of the top recruits Huggins had recruited, but it could have gotten you a good foundation. KSU had to be more attractive after the year Huggins had than it was before he came. He demonstrated you could recruit to Manhattan and win at Manhattan.

It seems to me, that by hiring Huggins last year, KSU was looking for a short-cut. With Martin's hire, it still looks like they are looking for a short-cut.

Or it could just be bad carma from hiring away Dana Altman from Marshall after he had only coached one year. I wonder if anyone in Manhattan has thought about the irony that it is another West Virginia school who has turned the tables?

I think there is still hope for the Wildcats. Huggins' assistants have proven to be good coaches - Kennedy and Cronin. So it may be that Martin will be the young up and comer that will stay and build a good winning tradition.

Go Cats!
DF

[cpawfan]

I guess nobody remembers Rhode Island and a player named Lamar Odom

[Bearcat_DF]

I guess nobody remembers Rhode Island and a player named Lamar Odom


Cpawfan - I remember Odom, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?
Did he bring a coach with him to Rhode Island?

Another example would be the collective pull the UNC players to get Matt Doherty (another 1 year stint guy - stayed at ND 1 year) fired.


"In 1997, Odom attended UNLV and was entrolled in summer classes. Following an academic scandal, an NCAA inquiry found Odom received payments amounting to $5,600 from booster David Chapman.[1] Coach Bill Bayno was fired and UNLV was placed on probation for four years. Odom transferred to Rhode Island, but had to sit out the 1997-98 season.

Odom played one season at the University of Rhode Island in the Atlantic 10 Conference, where he scored 17.6 points per game and led the Rams to the conference championship in 1999. His three pointer against Temple at the buzzer gave the Rams their first A-10 Tournament title."

from wikipedia

Go Cats!
DF

[cpawfan]

Huggins put us in a situation where we had no other choice. Many people don't realize Huggins inherited a team with 5 seniors, our 2007 class was huge no matter what.

If not for hiring Martin, we'd of been left with 6 scholarship players. (two of which didn't average more than 5 mpg last year)

We had no other choice. Hence why we are so mad at Huggs.

It is in the long term best interest of the program to promote Martin and Hill and keep the class. Last season demonstrated that K-State fans could provide tremendous support and that top players would sign LOI's to the school if the coaching staff was good enough. Now the team should win lots of games next season and make a decent run in the tournament.

All of this serves to make the job much more attractive to potential coaches should Martin and Hill not be able to do the job. I believe Martin will be a very good Head Coach and KSU won't need to make a coaching change until Frank Haith gets fired at the U.

[cpawfan]

Cpawfan - I remember Odom, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?
Did he bring a coach with him to Rhode Island?

Another example would be the collective pull the UNC players to get Matt Doherty (another 1 year stint guy - stayed at ND 1 year) fired.


"In 1997, Odom attended UNLV and was entrolled in summer classes. Following an academic scandal, an NCAA inquiry found Odom received payments amounting to $5,600 from booster David Chapman.[1] Coach Bill Bayno was fired and UNLV was placed on probation for four years. Odom transferred to Rhode Island, but had to sit out the 1997-98 season.

Odom played one season at the University of Rhode Island in the Atlantic 10 Conference, where he scored 17.6 points per game and led the Rams to the conference championship in 1999. His three pointer against Temple at the buzzer gave the Rams their first A-10 Tournament title."

from wikipedia

Go Cats!
DF

Look up who the Head Coach was at RI for Odom's 1 season and then look up who was hired to replace him. The school hired him because Odom indicated that he'd be willing to play a second season if he was hired. He was hired and Odom still left for the NBA.

[Catmandu]

Huggins put us in a situation where we had no other choice. Many people don't realize Huggins inherited a team with 5 seniors, our 2007 class was huge no matter what.

If not for hiring Martin, we'd of been left with 6 scholarship players. (two of which didn't average more than 5 mpg last year)

We had no other choice. Hence why we are so mad at Huggs.
Let's rewrite this..

Huggins put us in a situation where we have a GREAT incoming 2007 class... without Huggins, we wouldn't have an opportunity at Martin, Beasley, Walker, etc etc etc......

Yes, it's sad he left, BUT, he left you better off than you were when he came.

[SLMadiCat]

Let's rewrite this..

Huggins put us in a situation where we have a GREAT incoming 2007 class... without Huggins, we wouldn't have an opportunity at Martin, Beasley, Walker, etc etc etc......

Yes, it's sad he left, BUT, he left you better off than you were when he came.

That depends. Beasley is yet to play a game and as far as I know, could still get out of his LOI. There is also a good chance both could go pro after next year. Where does that leave them? They might be better off, but that is still to be determined.

[Wardboyz]

Why are people on this forum speaking about KSU and Huggins as "us" and "we"? If you're a KSU fan that wants to talk about KSU basketball (players, coaches, previous coaches, recruiting class) - take your concerns to the K-State website. No need for it here ....just a waste of space.

[Josh Rexhausen]

If you're a KSU fan that wants to talk about KSU basketball (players, coaches, previous coaches, recruiting class)

Huggins is a "previous coach", therefore he is fair game here in the "Where are they now?" forum as you stated is kosher for the KSU board. I do agree when we start talking more about his recruits we are stretching the limits.

I agree that a coach should try to leave his previous school better off than when he got there, in Huggins case I think he accomplished it both at KSU and UC, both programs are more desirable than when he got there, although I don't know how long KSU will look good.

[cpawfan]

Why are people on this forum speaking about KSU and Huggins as "us" and "we"? If you're a KSU fan that wants to talk about KSU basketball (players, coaches, previous coaches, recruiting class) - take your concerns to the K-State website. No need for it here ....just a waste of space.

There are admins that run this site. They make the rules, not you. It is not your place to pass judgment on what is and isn't appropriate for this forum.

[Texcat]

Why are people on this forum speaking about KSU and Huggins as "us" and "we"? If you're a KSU fan that wants to talk about KSU basketball (players, coaches, previous coaches, recruiting class) - take your concerns to the K-State website. No need for it here ....just a waste of space.

From my perspective, one of the reasons this forum exists and replaced the previous email based forum is the fact that we discuss sports related to UC. Huggins is and was a part of UC sports.

He still interests many of us who watched him transform the Bearcats into perennial national contenders.

I don't think we need the "don't mention anything here that doesn't relate specifically to the Bearcats" here. Personally, I enjoy the input from KSU fans and others who also have a vested interest in the people who had an effect on UC sports programs.

Just my opinion.

Bruce

[Wardboyz]

There are admins that run this site. They make the rules, not you. It is not your place to pass judgment on what is and isn't appropriate for this forum.

I appreciate your high-mindedness. By the way, when people have gone off topic of the BEARCATS - there are plenty of previous examples of being asked to move it to different forums. I made a comment/ offered an opinion - right or wrong. If you're not mature enough to understand that (like the gentleman who replied after you did) - then log out and be gone.

[cpawfan]

It took you 8 months to come up with a response?

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I appreciate your high-mindedness. By the way, when people have gone off topic of the BEARCATS - there are plenty of previous examples of being asked to move it to different forums. I made a comment/ offered an opinion - right or wrong. If you're not mature enough to understand that (like the gentleman who replied after you did) - then log out and be gone.

Opinions are never Right or Wrong. They can be misguided, uninformed, out in left field, etc.

Opinions are like snowflakes. No two are alike and they melt when heated.

[richard k.]

It took you 8 months to come up with a response?

My reaction as well, at this point in time why would anyone bother? :confused:

[Wardboyz]

My reaction as well, at this point in time why would anyone bother? :confused:

Hadn't logged in in quite awhile, just came across the post, didn't like the tone of the reply - especially when noticing the website monitor had editied his reply to "soften it". To your point ...it's long gone. :rolleyes:

[Irishbearcat]

Too funny.

[Wardboyz]

Too funny.

I agree ....just hit me wrong. :D