Andy Katz on UC's home schedule 2007-08

[ralph1950]

"• Here is one thing you won't see next season: two West Virginia-Cincinnati games, with one of them in Cincinnati. Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese has the final say on the schedule, and he doesn't want a circus in Cincinnati in year one with Bob Huggins now at West Virginia, two years removed from being fired at UC. The new Big East schedule calls for each team to play each other once and three others twice. The second games will be determined by television, with the intent to favor the top teams and rivalries. The West Virginia-Cincinnati game doesn't meet either criteria. Tranghese wants the first game between these two schools in Morgantown with year two being the return of Huggs to UC."

[cspeed]

I would venture to say that a UC - WV game is made for TV ....

[jkwuc89]

UC and WVU have played home and home the past two seasons so it would not surprise me to see this not continue in 07-08.

[richard k.]

The comment in the Katz article about a UC/W.Va. not being "made for TV" is silly - Tranghese may be right in his thinking that he doesn't "want a circus" the first time the Mountaineers come to the Shoe, but that kind of atmosphere is perfect for TV. Besides Huggins brought KSU to town and I don't recall anything really out of the ordinary, though it was against "X>"

[GoCats]

i might tend to agree with the BE commish, it's too soon for Huggs to come back to the Shoe on the visitors bench. Down the road though, this would be a very interesting game for this town...

[Josh Rexhausen]

I think it should happen this year:

1. It will be a sell out crowd, not only here but also in WVU.

2. TV would love to show both games.

3. Fans get the chance to say goodbye to their old coach

4. University gets a chace to properly thank him for his years of service.

5. It will be over, he has now come in as the opposing coach.

6. I will feel better about attending all Bearcat games.

[bearcatmark]

This is LUDICROUS!!! it's an absolutely perfect TV. Huggins comes back into his old stomping grounds. He gets a Huge applause from the UC fans. Once the game begins, the UC fans root hard for UC.


It will be a LOUD sellout crowd...but most people there love Huggs so I'm not sure it will be an aggressive environment.

It will have great TV implications.

There will be publicity for the game.

Hype makes it a great game for recruits.

This makes ZERO sense from the Big East Perspective. WHY WOULD ANYTHING NEGATIVE HAPPEN?

[Josh Rexhausen]

WHY WOULD ANYTHING NEGATIVE HAPPEN?

I can think of one negative thing that might happen to Mike T's plaid (I swear that word doesn't look right) friend if she is there, but that's probably going to happen no matter when it is played. If they want to avoid a circuis, then he can never come back, I don't see it dying down that much after another year or 2.

7. Makes UC-WVU rivalry heat up. - Now why wouldn't you want to help create natural in conference rivalries, for a school that hasn't been in the league that long.

[Thegreatone]

Bearcatmark, you made a great arguement and I could not agree with you more. This would be great for both programs and would get us over the Huggins hump. This game would be great for both schools and their fans. Not to mention the Big East!

[Bearcat_DF]

Prehaps we should remind folks that Huggins came back for Senior Night and it wasn't a circus. I think we should give the UC fans a little more credit. If we can handle the cross-town shootout every year, I'm sure we can handle a rivalry with WVU.

I think by not doing it, it makes it a bigger deal than it is.

I think the BE is on the verge of making a big mistake by how they schedule the "mirror games". At the beginning, I thought that the mirror games would be fairly consistent. I assumed that because it seems in everyone's interest to foster some rivalries within the conference. So I was looking forward to continuing our home-home series with UL, one with WVU or Pitt, and possibly one with Marquette or DePaul.

Now it looks like the mirror games are going to be determined by TV. I think that is a mistake because it will dilute the rivalry.

Go Cats!
DF

[Cincycats93]

This is my first post; however, I have been a long time reader. Just wanted to thank everyone for the great posts and responses over the years.

As for the topic, I think another big thing that would make this year easier is that none of the Huggins recruited players are any longer with the team. It would be a great time to continue to improve the WVU/UC rivalry. However, one more year does also give Mick a chance to get another of his recruiting classes in Cincy.

[jkwuc89]

I think at least one and maybe two of the mirror games each season should be reserved for rivalries. For UC, Louisville obviously tops the list. Other rival mirror games: WVU (no explanation necessary), Marquette (long standing rival from GMW and CUSA), DePaul (same reason as Marquette) and Pitt (proximity).

[kennh]

There is now way TV will miss a chance to have a game against WVU and UC next year at the Shoe. The league will have no choice but to have a game here and I think it will be a home and home series. Too much hype to be missed. And they are one of our natural rivals. We might as well get this over with as soon as possible. I wish Huggs well, but, when he comes here with a competitor you have to root against him.

Ken

[bearcatfan]

I think it should happen this year:

1. It will be a sell out crowd, not only here but also in WVU.

2. TV would love to show both games.

3. Fans get the chance to say goodbye to their old coach

4. University gets a chace to properly thank him for his years of service.

5. It will be over, he has now come in as the opposing coach.

6. I will feel better about attending all Bearcat games.


I agree - take what the media thinks is going to be a negative thing for UC and turn it into a huge positive.

[Big B]

I think ESPN will come up with a figure neither school or Mike can resist, with an invite to play during rivalry week. It would attract more attention being played at UC rather then WV. But with Himpher being on the Big East BOD it will probably never happen.

[Catmandu]

UC and WVU have played home and home the past two seasons so it would not surprise me to see this not continue in 07-08.


LMAO...the commisioner say WHY they aren't playing, and it has nothing to do with the fact that they played the last to years twice, he say exactly why.

This is a BIG loss for UC, it would have been one of their only sellouts, and would have been a great TV game they miss out on all those $$$$$$$ too!

In my opinion, another athletic department phopaux also... I think it's lame how they get the Big East commissioner to do it for them.....

[jkwuc89]

You honestly believe that the UC athletic department urged the Big East not to schedule a WVU home game for UC? I am sorry but I am not buying this. Show me one piece of real evidence to suggest otherwise.

[jon b]

You honestly believe that the UC athletic department urged the Big East not to schedule a WVU home game for UC? I am sorry but I am not buying this.

I don't think so either. Cat, you were stating this as if it is fact, but clearly it is your opinion only. Please don't accuse others of twisting facts and then do it yourself.

I realize people believe the NZ conspiracy, but I think Transgese (sp) did this on his own. I am still hoping TV can overrule it though.

Also, is any of this official or are we still simply going on what Katz reported?

[qsilvr2531]

Everything is a conspiracy theory around here.

Personally I highly doubt UC's athletic department tried to prevent an automatic sellout to avoid something that is completely unavoidable anyway, since Huggins will be coming back to Cincy in 08-09 anyway.

[Catmandu]

everyone can believe what they want.

But I believe.

UC admin did NOT want Huggins in the house as the opposing coach this close

They personally cannot decline a home and home, but the commissioner can change affect the schedule, there is no doubt in my mind had UC said they welcomed the game that the comissioner would have let it happen, so I believe vice versa must also be true... UC doesn't want it they say it to the commissioner.

Since when does a team NOT want a guaranteed sell-out/ TV Game for no reason.

Yes I believe that the UC Admin was involved in this decision.

I suppose you still don't believe that Thomas was responsible for turning the mic off either... or that there's a chance they'll sign Andy... etc etc etc

IF the UC Admin were smart.. they would fight to get that game here.

[Catmandu]

You honestly believe that the UC athletic department urged the Big East not to schedule a WVU home game for UC?

yes, there is absolutly no question in my mind that they did.

[jkwuc89]

PROVE IT! Stating that it's so does not make it so.

[Catmandu]

PROVE IT! Stating that it's so does not make it so.

I can't prove what's in my mind.... did you read my post? Why would you argue someones opinion?

PROVE IT. Stating that it isn't so does not make it not so.

see it works both ways

[bearcatfan]

see it works both ways

Prove it. :p :)

[jeffto]

I'd love to see Mick's Mob kick their behinds in The Shoe!

[Catmandu]

Prove it. :p :)

I just did ;)

[jeffto]

It's all just a game folks: http://www.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070405&content_id=1425989&vkey=1

Prayers, anyone?

[jon b]

[QUOTE]everyone can believe what they want.

But I believe.

UC admin did NOT want Huggins in the house as the opposing coach this close

But you believe based on your disgruntled position and absolutely zero facts. Which is ok, but surprised you feel so strongly based on that.

They personally cannot decline a home and home, but the commissioner can change affect the schedule, there is no doubt in my mind had UC said they welcomed the game that the comissioner would have let it happen, so I believe vice versa must also be true... UC doesn't want it they say it to the commissioner.

The Commissioner has a say, but TV has the ultimate say. if both ESPN and CBS want a UC/WVU game it will happen. Again you have no doubt in your mind, but all the spaces are blank so you had to fill them in, again from your disgruntled postion. Where is the link? Where is the inside source? etc.

Since when does a team NOT want a guaranteed sell-out/ TV Game for no reason.

It doesn't make sense to me either which is why I think you are wrong. Your logic and reasoning fails at nearly every turn here! :)

Yes I believe that the UC Admin was involved in this decision

I suppose you still don't believe that Thomas was responsible for turning the mic off either... or that there's a chance they'll sign Andy... etc etc etc

You realize you cannot use apples to support your oranges argument, right? It is clear you believe the UC Admin was involved, but the fact (yes it IS a fact) that Thomas turned off the mic is completely different and has zero to do with this argument.

IF the UC Admin were smart.. they would fight to get that game here.


I agree to an extent, but I hope NZ thinks she has much more important matters to tend to than basketball scheduling. Now as for MT, he should try to get the game. It would be nice to see these guys not tripping over themselves for a change, but because they have tripped on other occassions (not every occassion!) is not a reason to assume they tripped here. As a matter of fact, MT's recent record suggests otherwise.

I have read a few other posts here or on ncaabbs with similar viewpoints, and it may turn out you are correct, but let's be clear. there has been nothing announced or even "inside sources" who have been claiming this. Only a few disgruntled fans "who believe it in their heart". You have the right to believe it, I just hope you realize how unlikely it is to have transpired the way you think.

[Catmandu]

Ok... answers in line for the good Dr.


The Commissioner has a say, but TV has the ultimate say. if both ESPN and CBS want a UC/WVU game it will happen. Again you have no doubt in your mind, but all the spaces are blank so you had to fill them in, again from your disgruntled postion. Where is the link? Where is the inside source? etc.

you guys are confusing facts with opinions, the fact is an "opinion" is an opinion, formed by personal experience, knowledge and reasoning. I never said it was a fact, or that i had inside evidence/ source... that's you all twisting my words...


It doesn't make sense to me either which is why I think you are wrong. Your logic and reasoning fails at nearly every turn here! :)
Actually... my logic is right, i haven't seen them make a good pr move since they've been in charge, why would they now it's part of the pattern... again logical. and proof that they do and have made very dumb contrary decisions in the past...

You realize you cannot use apples to support your oranges argument, right? It is clear you believe the UC Admin was involved, but the fact (yes it IS a fact) that Thomas turned off the mic is completely different and has zero to do with this argument.

This was an example of them making a wrong decision, one that on this forum some said they wouldn't do, just like they are saying they wouldn't do in this case, that we all found out that he did do it. it's not apples and oranges... it's two(of many) examples of them making major PR gaffes like i "Believe" they are making now, it also demonstrates that other times on here some only saw things through rose colored glasses only to find out they were wrong


I agree to an extent, but I hope NZ thinks she has much more important matters to tend to than basketball scheduling.
I knew you agreed with me, and i agree she should be doing something else! Too bad she keeps dipping in the athletic department.


Now as for MT, he should try to get the game. It would be nice to see these guys not tripping over themselves for a change, but because they have tripped on other occassions (not every occassion!) is not a reason to assume they tripped here. As a matter of fact, MT's recent record suggests otherwise.

you mean recent stuff like; losing a football coach or running out a womens bball coach? what has he done? I liked the Cronin hire but it wasn't what he promised, I liked the Kelly hire, but it certainly wasn't part of a "Plan" he didn't expect Dantonio to leave... I mean really... what has he done that wasn't reactionary??? I guess he did get on an NCAA board of some sort, I'll give him credit for that.. but it hasn't done anything for us


I have read a few other posts here or on ncaabbs with similar viewpoints, and it may turn out you are correct, but let's be clear. there has been nothing announced or even "inside sources" who have been claiming this. Only a few disgruntled fans "who believe it in their heart". You have the right to believe it, I just hope you realize how unlikely it is to have transpired the way you think.
This is almost word for word what people wrote on here when we talked about Thomas turning off a mic.. "He wouldn't do that", "that is sooo unlikely", "you're just disgruntled" ok ok.... so again my example above makes sense... it's a pattern

Opportunity - FUMBLE - Opportunity - FUMBLE - opportunity - "______".... can you figure out what goes here??? This is how patterns work, I know because my daughter is a kindergarden and they are learning about patterns...

[jkwuc89]

It looks like this thread is turning into yet another discussion about the administration so off to the General forum it goes if it continues in this vain.

[cincycpaw]

NOt scheduling UC vs WVU for 2 games next season would be a disservce to fans of college basketball everywhere and more so to fans in Cincy and Morgantown.

It's a cowardly thing to do to try and hide from this. It should be embraced as the HUGE deal that it is. I wonder, would Texas Tech @ Indiana sellout and be on TV? How about Minnesota @ Kentucky? UCLA @ Pitt? Certainly. But those are out of conference games and tough to schedule. UC vs WVU is a no brainer and if they don't do it whoever makes that decision should go see the Wizard of Oz because they are lacking something important.