Gates dominant again

[juckerrules]

21 pts. and 13 boards in another playoff win

Next up:

St. X

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/SPT0301/803060346/1068/SPT

[Corporateballa]

21 pts. and 13 boards in another playoff win

Next up:

St. X

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/SPT0301/803060346/1068/SPT

He had at least six dunks...he was alternately spectacular and pathetic. I have been a big defender of Yancy on this forum, but his play last night was flat put embarrassing at times. There were at least a dozen possessions when he didn't cross over half court on defense. He often stood flat footed while guards finger rolled in his face.

On the flip side, there my not be an athlete like him in the BE right now...he is bigger and more athletic than Blair, and more athletic and skilled than the kids at South Florida...on one offensive rebound, he threw a kids down who was trying to box him out and grabbed the ball at the top of the box and dunked it in over 2 other kids. His shot I'd soft and smooth.

I also found out why he was suspended :-( OUCH! Let's just say he got off light. He hope this kid doesn't break our hearts.

[jkwuc89]

I think the upcoming game against St. X could show how good Gates can be. Withrow is going to be very motivated in this game (think revenge factor).

[Bp4thebest]

with his athletic ability and size he could dominate the big east cuz he is gonna have to hustle next year..he is going to be like a less talented beasley cuz he will dominate the boards even though he aint 7 feel tall plus he is super athletic..

[London 'Cat]

I think the upcoming game against St. X could show how good Gates can be. Withrow is going to be very motivated in this game (think revenge factor).

Cronin said Gates has all the things you can't teach. It has been a long time since UC has had a player with Gates' physical ability come through the program. I am very eager to see him in a Bearcat uniform.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I think the upcoming game against St. X could show how good Gates can be. Withrow is going to be very motivated in this game (think revenge factor).

My money would go on St. X.

[Lowkey]

My money would go on St. X.

nope, gates is gonna beat up on them st x kids.

[JerseySean]

I also found out why he was suspended :-( OUCH! Let's just say he got off light. He hope this kid doesn't break our hearts.

What does this mean? Do you have any additional information?

[bcatwilly]

What does this mean? Do you have any additional information?

I for one would prefer we not throw this kind of stuff around on message boards. If he isn't in legal trouble then he is just a kid who needs to mature, hopefully some of us can remember being there. His family seemed well grounded during recruiting, and he will be close to home for that support. I can't wait to watch Yancy in a Bearcat uniform.

[Thegreatone]

Withrow is a good TEAM. They are not a one horse team. X is too, but I would go with Withrow and that is not because I am a Moeller grad. I will take Row by 5.

[Corporateballa]

I went to the game with a guy whose newphew plays for Withrow. All of the Withrow players and families know what happened. The Withrow fans are really down on Yancy...Mick knows the details as well, and he is still taking the kid.

What does this mean? Do you have any additional information?

[Corporateballa]

I for one would prefer we not throw this kind of stuff around on message boards. If he isn't in legal trouble then he is just a kid who needs to mature, hopefully some of us can remember being there. His family seemed well grounded during recruiting, and he will be close to home for that support. I can't wait to watch Yancy in a Bearcat uniform.

Agreed. I hope he grows up sooner than later.

[Pie Hole]

with his athletic ability and size he could dominate the big east cuz he is gonna have to hustle next year..he is going to be like a less talented beasley cuz he will dominate the boards even though he aint 7 feel tall plus he is super athletic..
????????? WOW, GREAT SYNAPSIS!!!

['nati streets]

I was at last nights game as well and was unimpressed. It may take a year before Yancy makes significant contributions... I think he will be winded most the time, as Mick will make him run the full length of the floor.
As for blocks and D he didn't seem to try to force anything- so as not to get a foul call on something he could not reach- but at the same time he was not trying to box out or get any sort of position for rebounding. Overall he seemed disinterested.
He took four shots from the feild. A nice drive down the lane, and a baby hook for four points... but a open 3 from the corner and a wide open jumper from the foul-line both were bad misses. The rest of his points were dunks and FTs.

[TmacGoCats]

The incident Gates was involved in took place during practice and was basically a case of him losing his cool, and basically he said things to the coach that weren't going to be tolerated.

Nothing to serious, but hopefully he want be mouthing off at Cronin during practice next year.

[Corporateballa]

Dat ain't it!!!


The incident Gates was involved in took place during practice and was basically a case of him losing his cool, and basically he said things to the coach that weren't going to be tolerated.

Nothing to serious, but hopefully he want be mouthing off at Cronin during practice next year.

[OUBearcat]

My brother plays for Princeton and he said St. X was really good. Princeton is a highly athletic team with no true big men. As long as Withrow is a good TEAM then I think Withrow should be the favorite. And you know Gates is going to go all out this game. If he doesn't for this game, I don't think he ever will.

[CincyBeerCo]

????????? WOW, GREAT SYNAPSIS!!!

You mean like b/w neurons and stuff ??? :D Sorry couldn't resist. Go Withrow!

[TmacGoCats]

Oh, maybe you heard a more exaggerated story!! I guess one of my good friends who goes there made the whole thing up. *Sarcasm

[Corporateballa]

Can't speak to what you heard...some one on the team told me.

Oh, maybe you heard a more exaggerated story!! I guess one of my good friends who goes there made the whole thing up. *Sarcasm

[TmacGoCats]

I just don’t want to ruffle feathers, especially when everyone’s already doggin’ this 18 year old kid. Even though he’s one of the best big men we’ve recruited out of High school. He hasn’t even played one game yet for the Cats, and people like us are already making judgments.

[Scheids21]

Can't speak to what you heard...some one on the team told me.

If hes wrong then tell us whats right

[JerseySean]

Can't speak to what you heard...some one on the team told me.

Then why bring it up? What good does that do other than cause speculation, innuendo, and rumor?

[dp3113]

this is a true test for withrow. X is not athletic, and they just play straight up team basketball. If Yancey does not dominate, that is embarassing. X has no starters who can come close to matching Gates size and skill. NOT EVEN CLOSE. He is facing legit competition, who also beat him last year. If he is still lazy this game, I hope that shuts up his "supporters/excuse makers". He is facing the competition he never faces and everything is on the line.

[jlr1523]

I'm really excited to see him play next year but you just can't help but to be concerned about all this talk regarding his lack of hustle, heart, and at times, immaturity. That simply wont cut it in D1 college basketball, especially in the Big East. We all know for a fact that Mick won't tolerate that, not even for a minute. I guess the question will be, how will Yancy respond to it when that happens. He talented but young. Its going to be interesting to see. You already know its going to happen. We will see those times where the growing pains set in. I'm not knocking the kid and I am thrilled hes going to be a Bearcat, but i am very concerned.

[Corporateballa]

Just to clarify - I dont think anyone is saying that Yancy lacks heart. He is EXTREMLY tough and competitive. He just seems bored most of the time. The kid is fearless. I think he showed that against BJ Mullin.

What's at question is he maturity, and consistent desire.

[MDW79]

I'm sure Mick wouldn't have recruited him if thought he'd be lazy. I'm also sure Yancy knows well what is expected of him here at UC. He's a local kid, he grew watching the Bearcats. If it's anything UC's known for, it's playing hard and having tough players. He's got too much potential, a great program, a great coach, and lucrative future not to play hard. He'll be fine.
It's only HS basketball. I'm sure if he were at Elder it would mean absolutely everything to some Panther fans but for most people it doesnt it's only HS. Sorry for the sarcasm Mike. Can we wait until he suits up here before giving the KID a bad rap?

[juckerrules]

Then why bring it up? What good does that do other than cause speculation, innuendo, and rumor?

I agree...the last time I heard this much "I know, but I'm not gonna tell, nyah nyah" it was a group of middle school girls having a litte hissy spat at my daughter's sleep over

[NorrisHopper30]

this is a true test for withrow. X is not athletic, and they just play straight up team basketball. If Yancey does not dominate, that is embarassing. X has no starters who can come close to matching Gates size and skill. NOT EVEN CLOSE. He is facing legit competition, who also beat him last year. If he is still lazy this game, I hope that shuts up his "supporters/excuse makers". He is facing the competition he never faces and everything is on the line.

It's tough for anybody to score against GCL defense, buddy.

[Lowkey]

I'm sure Mick wouldn't have recruited him if thought he'd be lazy. I'm also sure Yancy knows well what is expected of him here at UC. He's a local kid, he grew watching the Bearcats. If it's anything UC's known for, it's playing hard and having tough players. He's got too much potential, a great program, a great coach, and lucrative future not to play hard. He'll be fine.
It's only HS basketball. I'm sure if he were at Elder it would mean absolutely everything to some Panther fans but for most people it doesnt it's only HS. Sorry for the sarcasm Mike. Can we wait until he suits up here before giving the KID a bad rap?

thats the best post in this thread.

[dp3113]

not when the guy guarding him will be 215. Should not be hard to score. quit making excuses.

[Thegreatone]

No individuals ever EVER beat GCL schools. I will promise there will not be a 215 pound player on him, maybe three. No way the go man to man, X is wwaaaaaay too smart for that. Not much better defenses than X.

[swilsonsp4]

Last year, St. X played 2-3 zone the entire game, collapsing into the lane and forcing Gates to the perimeter. Whenever he'd put the ball on the floor, the Bombers would attack him with two zone defenders and he became very frustrated.

Look for more of the same Saturday. Gates is not going to be able to beat St. X alone. He will need help at the offensive end. The guards are going to have to relieve the pressure by scoring, thereby extending the zone. If they don't, Gates will get smothered.

[jlr1523]

Just to clarify - I dont think anyone is saying that Yancy lacks heart. He is EXTREMLY tough and competitive. He just seems bored most of the time. The kid is fearless. I think he showed that against BJ Mullin.

What's at question is he maturity, and consistent desire.

Isn't not playing hard or showing intrest also lacking heart. Yes the kid has tons of potential and yes UC recruits tough players but that lack of effort thing fits in with having heart. Again, I'm glad he is going to be a bearcat and Im sure he could be a big time player but I really am a bit concerned. Im mainly concerned with his ability to adapt to UC/Big East standards and how well his attitude holds up. Im only concerned because of the things I read on these boards that you all write. Like all of you, Im anxious to see him play here. Im not trying to knock him at all, I appologize if it seems like I am. I'm just concerned with him being able to adapt and play hard ALL the time. Im concerned with how well he takes the rigorous demands of practice and everything else that comes with it. Im not saying he cant or wont do it. Physically, there is no question. Maturity is the key for any freshman I guess.

[SLMadiCat]

not when the guy guarding him will be 215. Should not be hard to score. quit making excuses.

Just curious, how many times have you seen Withrow and Gates play?

[dp3113]

this season? 6 or 7 times. Over the last three years- 15-20 times. I also know some of his past and current coaches and coaches who have coached against him.

[SLMadiCat]

this season? 6 or 7 times. Over the last three years- 15-20 times. I also know some of his past and current coaches and coaches who have coached against him.

Good, then at least you have a valid viewpoint unlike most that haven't seen him play.

However, I still disagree with your assessment on him. I actually think he will struggle against St X simply b/c St. X plays team basketball and defends well. Withrow is a terrible team (I think Gates is the only decent player on that team) and St. X knows they can triple team him IF he touches the ball. It's hard enough for Withrow to even get the ball to Gates.

However, he is a man amongst boys and if you put him on St. X's team, he would simply dominate. But not on Withrows team. Then again, 25 pts and 13 rebounds is good for someone who isn't even trying.

[Thegreatone]

this season? 6 or 7 times. Over the last three years- 15-20 times. I also know some of his past and current coaches and coaches who have coached against him.

If this is true it is my opinion that you have grossly misinterpreted Gates. You obviously havent seen X when you suggested he should dominate a 215 pound player. Walt Gibler is a stud and he is one of 3 that will be gaurding him. I appreciate a couple points but I will not take your opinion on recruits as anything more than non sense. He is the most gifted player I have ever seen in person. He is NEVER gaurded one on one, it is always 2 or 3 and when you play the entire game you will get tired.

[Thegreatone]

Oh and to say St. X is not athletic is comical, just because they have a bunch of white kids doesnt mean they arent athletic, I think GCL schools have faced that negative perception for years...

[dp3113]

I am actually a St. X grad and have been to more X games than Withrow games this year.

I am glad some people can see this is a difference in opinion. That is fine. I find it comical when people here take offense when something negative is said about a Gates, as if I have committed heresy. and FYI- if you think St. X's starting 5 combined has the athletic ability of Gates, you have not seen either play.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Oh and to say St. X is not athletic is comical, just because they have a bunch of white kids doesnt mean they arent athletic, I think GCL schools have faced that negative perception for years...

They used to say the same thing when I was in school, at Purcell. When I was a senior, Derrick Dickey was a sophomore. But, most of the GCL is predominatly a white boys league. The GCL has more than won their share of state titles, in every sport. You don't do that without having some athletic ability.

[JasonS]

I went to St. X in the late 90's and there were some incredible athletes that went through X while I was there. Rocky Boiman comes to mind right off the bat. He is still playing in the NFL as a lineback/Defensive End.

That said, I can understand why the perception might be there that the basketball team doesn't have any incredible athletes because there haven't been any players from St. X getting big time exposure through recruiting recently. I know people will say Johnny Wolf but he was not getting the kind of exposure a guy like Yancy has gotten. Yancy is without a doubt more athletic than anyone on St. X's team this year but I think you could say that about most if not all teams Withrow has played this year.

This will be a tough matchup for Yancy because St. X does a very good job of taking away your top option and forcing someone else to beat you. I am not sure Yancy has the shooters on his team to open up the inside for him. Let's see what he can do. Motivation should not be an issue in this game.

[Kindog202]

FYI, I just read Jerry Meyer's mailbag on Rivals and a question was posed as to risers and fallers when new '08 rankings come out. Yancy was mentioned immediately in Meyer's answer as a player who is going to rise up the rankings. I know that rankings are misleading at times, but it appears as though Yancy is starting to get some of his national attention back.

[NorrisHopper30]

FYI, I just read Jerry Meyer's mailbag on Rivals and a question was posed as to risers and fallers when new '08 rankings come out. Yancy was mentioned immediately in Meyer's answer as a player who is going to rise up the rankings. I know that rankings are misleading at times, but it appears as though Yancy is starting to get some of his national attention back.
Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him back at a 5 star if they win state.

[SLMadiCat]

Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him back at a 5 star if they win state.

No way they win state. Not nearly enough talent on that team, as it is a team sport.

[JasonS]

No way they win state. Not nearly enough talent on that team, as it is a team sport.

It's hard to say "No way they win state" when they are in the Elite 8 and only have to win 3 more to win state. They only lost 3 times this year for a reason. If they can get past St. X I think they have a real shot. They have beaten some good teams this year.

[SLMadiCat]

It's hard to say "No way they win state" when they are in the Elite 8 and only have to win 3 more to win state. They only lost 3 times this year for a reason. If they can get past St. X I think they have a real shot. They have beaten some good teams this year.

Well obviously they have a chance, but I just don't think they are talented enough, with the exception of Gates.

There is a reason KSU isn't no. 1 this year and thats because it is a team game.

[JasonS]

Well obviously they have a chance, but I just don't think they are talented enough, with the exception of Gates.

There is a reason KSU isn't no. 1 this year and thats because it is a team game.

I'll give you that it is a team game but sometimes in high school, one player can make a big difference. Obviously it is harder at the college and pro levels but even look at the NBA. Sure, LeBron didn't win the title last year but he was basically a one man show in the playoffs. Sometimes one player can carry a team for a while in basketball.

It can happen more easily in basketball than virtually any other team sport. Definitely more likely in basketball than football, hockey, soccer, and with the exception of maybe a pitcher, baseball too.

[NorrisHopper30]

No way they win state. Not nearly enough talent on that team, as it is a team sport.

They have a ton of talent, just poorly coached.

[Thegreatone]

I dont knwo if I agree with the poorly coached, is it the best coaching ever, no but I think he has done a good job dealing with a lot of kids who want to be stars. Withrow is not just Gates, they have some serious talent all around.

[SLMadiCat]

Maybe I've just missed all the talent when I've watched them. And yes, I do believe they are poorly coached.

[SLMadiCat]

Edit: Double Post

[SLMadiCat]

I'll give you that it is a team game but sometimes in high school, one player can make a big difference. Obviously it is harder at the college and pro levels but even look at the NBA. Sure, LeBron didn't win the title last year but he was basically a one man show in the playoffs. Sometimes one player can carry a team for a while in basketball.

Funny you mention LeBron. Remember LeBron's team losing to Roger Bacon? We're talking about one of the best high school basketball player in the past 50 years and even he couldn't beat Bacon. I don't recall Bacon having a ton of D1 players.

[Thegreatone]

Maybe I've just missed all the talent when I've watched them. And yes, I do believe they are poorly coached.

Then we will agree to disagree

[Lowkey]

Funny you mention LeBron. Remember LeBron's team losing to Roger Bacon? We're talking about one of the best high school basketball player in the past 50 years and even he couldn't beat Bacon. I don't recall Bacon having a ton of D1 players.

yep, im not familiar enough with Gates supporting Cast, Hopefully he can put his team on his back and win em state, maybe end all this ******** talk about him being lazy....at 17, 18 years old, i know i was lazy as **** too..haha..

Lebron finnally got him a better supporting cast in Cleveland, and they looking at a title run, Next year Deonta is looking at a better supporting cast, at least the start of one.

[MikeInClifton]

Funny you mention LeBron. Remember LeBron's team losing to Roger Bacon? We're talking about one of the best high school basketball player in the past 50 years and even he couldn't beat Bacon. I don't recall Bacon having a ton of D1 players.

Bacon had three actually, all low D1, but D1 none the less.

[SLMadiCat]

Bacon had three actually, all low D1, but D1 none the less.

Well, like I said, I couldn't recall, but I did know they didn't have any studs on their team and the losing team had possibly one of the best players ever. Teams usually end up winning (obviously they have to have some talent).

[mike pinzki]

If I remember correctly, Hausfeld and Wyrick were both very good for Roger Bacon. They were a very good team.

[SLMadiCat]

I agree, they were a very good team, which is why they won state.

[Thegreatone]

I am going to the game today and I am excited and will hopefully be able to give some good feedback on Gates...

[NorrisHopper30]

Withrow up 51-50 with 30 seconds left. Gates make two clutch free throws to take the 1 point lead (big men can make free throws?)

[NorrisHopper30]

Gates up to the line with 2.4 seconds down 1.

Missed both St X wins.

[jeffto]

Gates up to the line with 2.4 seconds down 1.

Missed both St X wins.
He'll fit right in. :D