Tyler Smith Transfering from Iowa

[cincyjmax54]

Is this the same kid that Mick just barely missed last year and went to Iowa? He wants to come closer to home which I think is Tennessee. If he has to sit out a year wouldnt we have a scholarship for him next year and he could be apart of a recruiting class that already involves Yancy Gates.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Is this the same kid that Mick just barely missed last year and went to Iowa? He wants to come closer to home which I think is Tennessee. If he has to sit out a year wouldnt we have a scholarship for him next year and he could be apart of a recruiting class that already involves Yancy Gates.

No - he would still be on scholarship in his redshirt year. UC is full at 13.

[CroninCrazy]

Couldn't he go Prep and come in for the 2008 class?

[shaunsimpson]

He could go D2 or JUCO (I think), but not prep.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Couldn't he go Prep and come in for the 2008 class?

He could play a year in JuCo (like Aaron McGhee did) but is more likely to transfer to Div I school to keep 3 more years of eligibility.

[bengals21]

He isn't going to come to UC. He already had to go the prep route once before when Tennessee wouldn't let him out of the LOI he signed with them while Buzz was the coach. When Pearl said no he did prep for a year and went to Iowa. It appears that he will be heading back to Tennessee.

[Bearcat98]

He isn't going to come to UC. He already had to go the prep route once before when Tennessee wouldn't let him out of the LOI he signed with them while Buzz was the coach. When Pearl said no he did prep for a year and went to Iowa. It appears that he will be heading back to Tennessee.

Not so fast my friends, word is that Smith is not a lock to head to Tennessee and UC is still in the mix.... Stay tuned!

[bengals21]

Well my info was he was looking to get back into the great state of Tennessee so he could be closer to his family. I've heard Memphis has a great chance of landing him if Tennessee doesn't. Who else could Mick send packing on the current roster to free up a scholorship for him? I really don't want to see Mick get the reputation that Calhoun has. The only way I would want him to come here is if somebody doesn't qualify and we aren't going to know that for awhile.

[MicksTheGuy]

Well it is possible that he would have to sit out a year and then would be part of the great 08 class right? Is it possible he would be able to play next year? Where would he play? I would imagine that we had several players who knew that their scholarships could be revoked after a year.

I feel that Mike Williams and Vaughn are etched in stone at PG and PF. He is not a center and he is not a SG so that leaves WF. However we seem to be pretty loaded at that position unless he shares time with Williams at that position.

Compared to what we have how good is this kid?

WF Williamson (20-25) - Sikes (10-15) - Henry (5-10) - Bishop (5-10)
PF Williams (25-30) - Belton (5-10)
C Adam H (20-25) - McClain (15-20)
SG Mitchell (20-25) - Gentry (10-15) - Davis (0-5) - Miller (0-5)
PG Vaughn (25-30) - Warren (10-15)

[Kindog202]

I'd say based on what he did in the Big 10, he could come in right now and start over Williamson, so he would start next year, regardless of whether or not Henry is eligible. He would be one of the better players on the team, but I still think we cannot make room for him unless he wanted to go D2 or JUCO for a year or I guess maybe if he really wanted to come here, he could wait and see if all the freshman are eligible. There is really no advantage that I can see to announcing a transfer destination now as opposed to 2-3 months from now as he will still have to sit out the full year regardless. I really would like to see it work out, however not at the expense of running another kid off last year's team to make room for him.

[Bearcat98]

Well my info was he was looking to get back into the great state of Tennessee so he could be closer to his family. I've heard Memphis has a great chance of landing him if Tennessee doesn't. Who else could Mick send packing on the current roster to free up a scholorship for him? I really don't want to see Mick get the reputation that Calhoun has. The only way I would want him to come here is if somebody doesn't qualify and we aren't going to know that for awhile.

The rumblings are that there is bad blood between smith and some current tennessee players and although Pearl wants him there, the team may not want him there... Don't be suprised if he doesn't end up there when all is said and done. It down to Tennessee with those issues, UC and Memphis. Memphis is closer to home, but UC is only a few hours further and was his second choice to Iowa.

Mick would make room for him in a second. The move will be with Warren if everyone is eligible, but I don't think Warren transfers. He will still get playing time next year (as opposed to Timmy), especially if Smith is not granted a hardship waiver and has to sit out his transfer year. If Smith wants to come and Mick can find Warren another form of financial aid, it will happen. Stay tuned.

[Kindog202]

I really hope your right Bearcat98, I was bummed last year when I thought we had him and he ended up at Iowa. It's funny, the first thing I thought of when I saw Alford leaving Iowa was - I wonder if Smith will leave Iowa also. I kind of figured that the next one on the "chopping block" would be Warren but they need him to backup Vaughn next year. It would be nice if things work out.

[bengals21]

Honestly I don't want this kid at UC. He is a great basketball player but he is trouble. He was arrested and charged with theft while at Iowa. I remember when that came out everybody was saying how happy they were that he didn't come to UC. Bringing in a player like that isn't going to help with our reputation. Neither is kicking off a bunch of players to make room for guys that are more talented. That kind of stuff will be used against us in future recruiting.

[General Woundwort]

I do not think you can move a player off of athletic scholarship and onto an academic one to add an extra player to your roster. If they were going to drop Warren for Smith, Warren would have to leave a la Timmy Crowell. And while Smith is certainly the superior player, I can't imagine they would go into the season with Vaughn as the only PG (although Henry and Bishop are not without some PG skill).

Besides, the last thing UC needs at this point is a player with a checkered background.

[cincycpaw]

Honestly I don't want this kid at UC. He is a great basketball player but he is trouble. He was arrested and charged with theft while at Iowa. I remember when that came out everybody was saying how happy they were that he didn't come to UC. Bringing in a player like that isn't going to help with our reputation. Neither is kicking off a bunch of players to make room for guys that are more talented. That kind of stuff will be used against us in future recruiting.


Honestly I want this kid.

I moved to Iowa City last summer (still holding onto my crappy Bearcat season tix though) and got a chance to catch 5 U of I games. He is the real deal. Agressive and physical.

About his off the court issues....not much happens in Iowa City and it was mentioned for about a say. Nothing to serious, a kid away in a new place and the wrong person led him astray. Nothing else the rest of the year. I think it was a blip. And really if you think a kid is bad because of 1 instance like that I'd love to see your closet.

[waterhead]

I would think we could stand to lose Gentry before Warren anyway. We just got Mitchell and Davis. Even a guy like Henry or Bishop or even Vaughn can play the 2 at times or we can play a couple of wings at the same time. Not that I want to lose Gentry or Warren. Can they continue to play off scholarship if they choose?

Smith is going to play somewhere...right? My first instinct is to say we don't need him with what we have already recruited but he has proven he can play so I would like to have him if his rap sheet doesn't read like a novel. I got in my share of trouble with the law in high school and college but I turned out pretty well. If the trouble is minor...give the kid a break. If the trouble involves shooting or rape or robbing at gunpoint...you might want to pass:)

[Bearcat98]

I would think we could stand to lose Gentry before Warren anyway. We just got Mitchell and Davis. Even a guy like Henry or Bishop or even Vaughn can play the 2 at times or we can play a couple of wings at the same time. Not that I want to lose Gentry or Warren. Can they continue to play off scholarship if they choose?

You know... I never put much though into that, but you are right. This team would be better off losing Gentry's offense before Warrens ball handeling. I have read that Bishop and Henry are both point forwards and ran the point for their respective high school/prep teams, but Warren does have 1 year of Big East experience at the point. The incoming offense should easially replace Gentry's offense if he left.

For the record, i'm not an advocate of running anyone off whatsoever, but Mick was hired to win basketball games. I believe (no inside knowlege here) that he had to have told the guys that came in last year they they only had 1 year guranteed and I also believe that Mick would make room for Smith in a second if he wanted to come. Smith would most likely be denied his hardship and sit out his transfer year, all the freshmen would then get more playing time minus an active player, then Mick would have 2 guys graduating in 2010 with the possibiliy of Gates and/or henry leaving early that year. Any of those events would get the scholarship cycle back to normal (or close to normal) in a few years.

And no... someone would have to leave to make room for Smith....

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

I believe Smith only shoplifted a shirt so it's certainly a minor offense. That being said I'd rather not disrupt the continuity of the team or possibly getting rid of another player just to bring him in, especially if he has to sit out a year before he can play.

[waterhead]

Someone mentioned to me a week or two ago that Mick has probably told all of the 06' jucos (or at least some of them) they are only guaranteed one year on scholly. If this is true I don't have a problem with it. Heck we have already done it with Biggie and most people are happy about that. I realize that it can be used against you but all Mick has to do is tell future recruits that it was a one year deal. Anyone could understand the situation Mick was in when he took over. It's not like Mick will continue pulling scholly's in the future. It does set a precedent but a precedent that can be easily explained. I am guessing he didn't tell the 07' recruits that they are only guaranteed one year.

I am for whatever helps the long term success of the program the most. If that means sticking with the players you got...so be it. If that means grabbing the best players you can and replacing guys that have been told they might be replaced...so be it. In Mick I trust.

[mlb]

waterhead, there were rumors at the time last year that those scholarships were only guaranteed for 1 year.

[bengals21]

Ok I guess I should have made my point a little better. I actually have no problem with a coach giving a kid a 2nd chance. I know people do make mistakes and learn from them. I was under the impression though that Mick & crew wanted to improve the UC reputation. Now I never really cared about any of that stuff but a lot of people did and it led us to where we are now. I don't want to get into a huge debate but it does make us look a bit hypocritical. If Mick thinks he is worth it though than great.

Now I know teams always find ways to make room for better players. I just hate seeing that happen to a kid in his senior year. Those juco's everybody wants to run off were the only players that wanted to take a chance on UC and Mick. I just don't think we should mess with this bunch anymore and give them a chance.

[Cpaw]

I do not believe Tyler will dawn a UC jersey, he will be headed down south.

[Bearcat98]

Not so fast my friends, word is that Smith is not a lock to head to Tennessee and UC is still in the mix.... Stay tuned!

Continue to stay tuned Bearcat fans.... things are continuing to get interesting...

[CroninCrazy]

Continue to stay tuned Bearcat fans.... things are continuing to get interesting...


What do you mean by that? (ie give some example of how things are interesting)

[Bearcat98]

What do you mean by that? (ie give some example of how things are interesting)

I'm hearing this from several places, but take it for what it's worth.... Things can always change until he officially enrolls somewhere, but as of right now....

Smith has UC at the top of his list and a couple of options as back up schools... The matter of Smith becoming a bearcat is in the hands of Mick Cronin working out a personel move on the current roster. IF you see that Smith ends up somewhere else, it is most likely because Mick decided to stick with his current guys and told Smith to move on because he feels good that he can sign a recruit equal or better than smith in 2008. Mick would have 3 open schollarships remaining for the 2008 class without Smith, 2 with Smith.

I for one will be as suprised as anyone if mick tells him to move on. Again, take it for what it's worth, but that's coming from several sources, Including a fellow UCAT that is very connected and I have a lot of respect for...

[Kindog202]

Bearcat, not to put the cart before the horse so to speak, but if Mick makes room for Smith, do you think he will be granted a hardship as some have mentioned and be able to play next year or will he have to sit out a year?

It is my opinion that Mick should make room for Smith, I think he is better than any high school small forward they are looking at in '08 plus you already have Wilks as a verbal who plays SF along w/Bishop and Henry. Take Smith and use the final 2 scholly's on a PG and C.

[bcatwilly]

Bearcat, not to put the cart before the horse so to speak, but if Mick makes room for Smith, do you think he will be granted a hardship as some have mentioned and be able to play next year or will he have to sit out a year?

It is my opinion that Mick should make room for Smith, I think he is better than any high school small forward they are looking at in '08 plus you already have Wilks as a verbal who plays SF along w/Bishop and Henry. Take Smith and use the final 2 scholly's on a PG and C.

FYI, Wilkes is more of a PF by the sound of it, 6' 9" with freakish athleticism.

[bengals21]

I don't think Wilks will be playing PF. Most people seem to think he will be a SF in college. I've actually heard some say he can play SG. Plus we will already have Gates & Williams at the PF spot.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Bearcat, not to put the cart before the horse so to speak, but if Mick makes room for Smith, do you think he will be granted a hardship as some have mentioned and be able to play next year or will he have to sit out a year?

It is my opinion that Mick should make room for Smith, I think he is better than any high school small forward they are looking at in '08 plus you already have Wilks as a verbal who plays SF along w/Bishop and Henry. Take Smith and use the final 2 scholly's on a PG and C.

If you boot another player, the APR score goes down.

Smith wants to play near his father, who is very ill. UT or Memphis.

Not UC.

[Bearcat98]

If you boot another player, the APR score goes down.

Smith wants to play near his father, who is very ill. UT or Memphis.

Not UC.

APR score will not go down much if a player leaves in good academic standing... for example, Timmy Crowell is leaving AFTER he completes spring quarter in good academic standing. His departure will not cause mass damage to UC's APR because of his good academic standing. If a current player leaves to make room for smith, the same applies.

Due to early NBA departures, the good academic standing rule is in practice to protect programs against student athletes that leave early as long as they are in good academic standing. If someone quit going to class and just left (ala james white, Jihad Muhammad and Hernol hall) before finishing the quarter, the schools APR score would be reduced much more than the case of someone in good academic standing.

Kindog - Not sure about any of that... we'll worry about that when/if everything goes down... Nothing is for sure until he enrolls somewhere. If Mick doesn't want to make room for him, we won't have to worry about it. Plenty of top 100 seniors with UC high on their lists.

Tom - If Mick chooses not to make room for him, he will most likely go to Memphis although Alabama is on the list as well. Bad blood between smith and current UT players has dropped UT down his list. Could happen, but it would suprise a LOT of people, just like his last minute flip-flop decision to head to Iowa last year. He does want to be closer to his father, but Alfords departure also added to his reasons for leaving.

By several accounts, ball is currently in UC's court. The really great thing is the program is in the situation where we have the option of who we want to bring in... It is viable that mick can pass on Smith because he has several top 100 seniors he can get with the 3 open scholarships. UC is in this posistion after last season... Lets put a few winning seasons and tournament runs together. I like the looks of the future ;).

Again, anyting can happen with Smith, but from several informed accounts, the ball is in Mick's court... Believe me, I wouldn't be posting this stuff if I didn't believe it to be true...

[Bearcat98]

FYI, Wilkes is more of a PF by the sound of it, 6' 9" with freakish athleticism.

Willy is right... he's still growing and he's a post player at this time. Needs to develop a perimeter game rather quickly if he will play the wing effectively in college...

I'm by no means calling him Kenyon Martin, but Kenyon was the last 6'-9/6'-10" freak athlete with no shooting touch outside of 10-15 feet that came to UC... Someone of Wilkes size and athleticism has the potenital develop into a Kenyon/Jokim Noah kind of player if he puts the time in to become a complete player.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

APR score will not go down much if a player leaves in good academic standing... for example, Timmy Crowell is leaving AFTER he completes spring quarter in good academic standing. His departure will not cause mass damage to UC's APR because of his good academic standing. If a current player leaves to make room for smith, the same applies.

Due to early NBA departures, the good academic standing rule is in practice to protect programs against student athletes that leave early as long as they are in good academic standing. If someone quit going to class and just left (ala james white, Jihad Muhammad and Hernol hall) before finishing the quarter, the schools APR score would be reduced much more than the case of someone in good academic standing.

Kindog - Not sure about any of that... we'll worry about that when/if everything goes down... Nothing is for sure until he enrolls somewhere. If Mick doesn't want to make room for him, we won't have to worry about it. Plenty of top 100 seniors with UC high on their lists.

Tom - If Mick chooses not to make room for him, he will most likely go to Memphis although Alabama is on the list as well. Bad blood between smith and current UT players has dropped UT down his list. Could happen, but it would suprise a LOT of people, just like his last minute flip-flop decision to head to Iowa last year. He does want to be closer to his father, but Alfords departure also added to his reasons for leaving.

By several accounts, ball is currently in UC's court. The really great thing is the program is in the situation where we have the option of who we want to bring in... It is viable that mick can pass on Smith because he has several top 100 seniors he can get with the 3 open scholarships. UC is in this posistion after last season... Lets put a few winning seasons and tournament runs together. I like the looks of the future ;).

Again, anyting can happen with Smith, but from several informed accounts, the ball is in Mick's court... Believe me, I wouldn't be posting this stuff if I didn't believe it to be true...

APR score goes down if player leaves. You can earn 2 points per quarter. 1 for good academic standing, 1 for returning. UC scores 5 of 6 APR points on Crowell.

[Bearcat98]

APR score goes down if player leaves. You can earn 2 points per quarter. 1 for good academic standing, 1 for returning. UC scores 5 of 6 APR points on Crowell.

Correct. I stated above that the APR would not go down as much. Penalty is not as harsh if a player leaves a school in good academic standing before graduation. Thank you for the points break down, I appreciate that.

2 players leaving UC in good academic standing in 07' would not harm the APR enough to trigger a scholarship reduction penalty, Mick couldn't even consider this potential move with Smith if the APR scholarship reduction penalty would be imposed by the NCAA.

[waterhead]

I'm hearing this from several places, but take it for what it's worth.... Things can always change until he officially enrolls somewhere, but as of right now....

Smith has UC at the top of his list and a couple of options as back up schools... The matter of Smith becoming a bearcat is in the hands of Mick Cronin working out a personel move on the current roster. IF you see that Smith ends up somewhere else, it is most likely because Mick decided to stick with his current guys and told Smith to move on because he feels good that he can sign a recruit equal or better than smith in 2008. Mick would have 3 open schollarships remaining for the 2008 class without Smith, 2 with Smith.

I for one will be as suprised as anyone if mick tells him to move on. Again, take it for what it's worth, but that's coming from several sources, Including a fellow UCAT that is very connected and I have a lot of respect for...

I wonder what Mick would do with the current scholarships if T. Smith actually comitted and Mick could "restructure" a scholarship? Can you imagine an 08'-09' roster that could look something like this?

McClain (7'0)
? Morgan (6'9)
Gates (6'9)
Wilkes (6'9)
Belton (6'8)
Williams (6'7)
Henry (6'7)
? T Smith (6'7)
Bishop (6'6)
Mitchell (6'5)
Davis (6'3)
? Bost (6'2)
Vaughn (6'1)

That's an average player height of 6-6/6-7! I know it's way too early but from the sounds of things it's not a major stretch. The odds on us getting Smith, Morgan, and Bost or Fortson may be no better than 25% but getting 2 of 3 sounds like a good possibility. If we can get Smith or Morgan plus Bost or Fortson I would be extremely excited about this team. If we got Smith, Morgan and one of the two PG's I would call it a home run. If we have to "restructure" one more scholarship to make this happen so be it. There may even be a volunteer like Timmy.

[nachoman91]

I'm hearing this from several places, but take it for what it's worth.... Things can always change until he officially enrolls somewhere, but as of right now....

Smith has UC at the top of his list and a couple of options as back up schools... The matter of Smith becoming a bearcat is in the hands of Mick Cronin working out a personel move on the current roster. IF you see that Smith ends up somewhere else, it is most likely because Mick decided to stick with his current guys and told Smith to move on because he feels good that he can sign a recruit equal or better than smith in 2008. Mick would have 3 open schollarships remaining for the 2008 class without Smith, 2 with Smith.

I for one will be as suprised as anyone if mick tells him to move on. Again, take it for what it's worth, but that's coming from several sources, Including a fellow UCAT that is very connected and I have a lot of respect for...


Any kid that can average 15 pts 5 rbs and 3.6 assists as a freshman in the Big Ten is one I want. I'd sooner take a proven commodity than take my chance on getting someone better in '08. I sure hope Mick can make room for this kid.

[DMoney_70]

A quote from a rivals article:

"My choice is to go to Tennessee," Smith said. "Something will have to fall through with Tennessee for me to look at other schools. I have always liked it there. That is where I originally wanted to go. The situation with the coaching change just got out of hand. I wanted to go to a school where I was comfortable with everything and I just didn't know coach Pearl."

[waterhead]

A quote from a rivals article:

"My choice is to go to Tennessee," Smith said. "Something will have to fall through with Tennessee for me to look at other schools. I have always liked it there. That is where I originally wanted to go. The situation with the coaching change just got out of hand. I wanted to go to a school where I was comfortable with everything and I just didn't know coach Pearl."

Hey Money, what date is that article from? That's a far cry from "has UC at the top of his list":confused:

[DMoney_70]

April 20th. 10 days old but that's a pretty definitive statement he made. I can't imagine that Tenn told him no thanks.

[DMoney_70]

If you have a subscription you can read it here:

http://tennessee.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=&script=/content.asp&cid=665943&fid=&tid=&mid=

[Bearcat98]

A quote from a rivals article:

"My choice is to go to Tennessee," Smith said. "Something will have to fall through with Tennessee for me to look at other schools. I have always liked it there. That is where I originally wanted to go. The situation with the coaching change just got out of hand. I wanted to go to a school where I was comfortable with everything and I just didn't know coach Pearl."

That article was from a couple of weeks ago when Smith announced he was transferring. It's the same article most people are referencing about Smith going to UT. For the record, the rivals article people are referencing is dated April 20th by Brent Hubbs, UT's pay site admin.

If you read my post above, the UT deal fell through and I stated why.

Again, him ending up at UC is in Micks court... It may or may not happen. If he doesn't end up here, look for him to end up at Memphis or Alabama. He only ends up at UT if there is a BIG change of heart between Smith and some current UT players.

UT was his first desire... things fell through... if that wasn't the case, why has he enrolled there yet? The UT article was from almost 2 weeks ago ;)

[DMoney_70]

I don't doubt you 98. I'm glad you have an explanation for that quote because I was getting somewhat excited at the possibilities. Keep us posted as you learn more.

[waterhead]

Okay, thanks guys. It sounds like it's hard to tell what this kid is thinking so I will just hope for the best and wait for his commitment to a school. You would think if there were bad blood between some kids that the coach could smooth it over if he thought it would help the team.

[Bearcat98]

I'm guessing we'll hear more in the next few weeks. There are reasons that UT backed off of him as mentioned (chemistry in the locker room). I do know that UC has a chance to get him if they want to make room... Mick is the only person that really knows the how's, when's and whys... If he opts to pass on Smith, i'm sure it will be for a good reason...

[nachoman91]

If he opts to pass on Smith, i'm sure it will be for a good reason...

I hope that reason doesn't include any of the words "Sikes", "Warren", or "Gentry". I like all three of those guys but all are expendable, IMO, to get a kid like Smith.

[bengals21]

Obviously for this to happen somebody else will have to be sent packing(Warren or Gentry) or one of the incoming recruits won't qualify (Henry or Bishop). It will be awhile until we know if all the recruits have the grades. I just wonder if forcing another player to leave will mess with our teams chemistry.

I still think he ends up at Tennessee or Memphis. I think he has a better chance of being able to play right away if he picks one of those two. My guess is the NCAA would force him to follow the regular transfer rules and sit out a year if he picks UC or Alabama.

[shaunsimpson]

Did he already file the hardship waiver to not sit out next year or does he have to decide where he is going first? If he has to decide where he is going then I don't think that Cincinnati will end up with him. His chances of not having to sit out are much better the closer he gets to Tennessee. If he finds out that it doesn't matter where he is and he will have to sit out anyway then we may see him at UC.

[Bearcat98]

To the best of my knowlege, he is already filing or has filed the hardship waiver... I do not know that for sure, but he has to file for the waiver if he wants to play next year reguardless... The sooner a waiver decision can be reached and he knows if he's playing or sitting next year, the sooner he'll be able to work something out with his next school. The waiver will also play into decisions by Mick and other coaches if he will be available to play this year or sit out a year while eating a scholarship...

Keep in mind, no matter where he goes, if he has to sit out a year, someone will have to make room for him if there are no open scholarships available. Transfers use one of the 13 scholarships the year they sit out. If he comes to UC and sits out next year, someone from the current roster still has to go to open a scholarship from him. My educated opinion is that he will be a Bearcat if he can play next year. He will not be if he has to sit out a transfer year. That's just my gut feeling.

I'm not going to assume that being in Cincinnati 3-4 hours away from his dad is too far for the NCAA to deny his hardship waiver to get closer to home when he was in Iowa last year... We've all watched the NCAA make decisions over the past decade (Hernol Hall's and Adam H's eligibility being the most recent) which isn't always in the best interest of the student athlete. If the NCAA denies his hardship case, there will be more to it than being a 3-4 hour car ride from home in Tennessee which he can do every weekend if he wants to.

We may have to look under NCAA by law number HJUY 444, page 35, article S, page 892 written in lord knows what year to find the answer ;D.

[shaunsimpson]

I was thinking that if he had to decide first then it could hurt UC since the chances for him getting his waiver would be hurt by him picking a place so far from his dad still.

i know nothing about the waivers like if the NCAA can put restrictions on it or something like that (ie: has to go to school 100 miles of his dad's residence).

[bengals21]

According to this article the school that Smith transfers to has to file the appeal.


http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=44416

[shaunsimpson]

With our recent success on these appeals I can't see him as a Bearcat.

[Bearcat98]

According to this article the school that Smith transfers to has to file the appeal.


http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=44416

My best guess (opinion based on what I know) is that UC is in some form of inquiry process to see if Smith could gain eligibility next year if he came to UC... He is supposily ready to come to UC if Mick makes room for him. If for whatever reason, Mick opts to not make room for him (instant eligibility vs. clearing a scholarship so he can sit out next year?), he will go to Memphis or alabama... I'm not sure if they have open scholarships or not...

Side note, to anyone inquiring about the "bad blood" between Smith and UT. read the story linked above and it makes some mention of some of that. There has been nothing i've stated on this board that I haven't heard/seen from multiple sources. I won't post something unless I read it somewhere and verify it through some people I know closer to the program than I... You can find me at every home game next year in the upper deck..., not in the lower arena. :) LOL...

[cincyjmax54]

Im so happy my post has started 3 pages of replies...I was just throwing the idea out there and this is the first time checking back since then..If we get him, Il just go ahead and take credit for pushing the idea. Thanks

[Bearcat98]

Im so happy my post has started 3 pages of replies...I was just throwing the idea out there and this is the first time checking back since then..If we get him, Il just go ahead and take credit for pushing the idea. Thanks

LOL... i'm just happy to be talking about BASKETBALL on this forum again... for about a year and a half, I just sat back and read all the administration bashing... It's nice to actually get excited and talk about BASKETBALL again! :D

[FleXcursion]

It is definitely nice to talk about basketball again, but, talking about Tyler Smith is a moot point. Don't get your hopes up, he isn't coming to UC.

[Bearcat98]

It is definitely nice to talk about basketball again, but, talking about Tyler Smith is a moot point. Don't get your hopes up, he isn't coming to UC.

That will be up to Mick and what Mick wants to do... plain and simple. Are you making your statement based on something you know or on assumption?

[bengals21]

I don't think he comes to UC because I don't think the NCAA will allow him to come here and be able to play right away. They have never done UC any favors in the past. I also don't think it will look good in their eyes to see Mick force out another player to make room. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA made him sit out a year no matter where he went.

[Bearcat98]

I don't think he comes to UC because I don't think the NCAA will allow him to come here and be able to play right away. They have never done UC any favors in the past. I also don't think it will look good in their eyes to see Mick force out another player to make room. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA made him sit out a year no matter where he went.

I completely agree with the thought of the NCAA making him sit out a transfer year no matter what... That may also ultimately lead to Mick not making room for him as well. What I do know for sure is that UC has a good shot at him if some things happen... If those things happen, there will be news soon. FYI... There is more to this than we are discussing on a public forum... Things will work themselves out as the work out... when all is done, there will be several reasons as to why he ends up at UC or elsewhere. Both with Smith and UC. Not just 1 thing like the hardship waiver.

Classes end for semester schools this week. He will most likely enroll at his new school for summer classes. I suspect everyting will start happening with this in the next few weeks (no matter where he ends up)... Shortly after Iowa's Spring semester ends.

The one sure thing is that Smith to UC is definitly still a possibility... Nothing guranteed by anymeans, but still very much possible.

[lt7784]

This sounds very sketchy to me. Bearcat98 sounds like its more than likely he'll come here. Has anyone else heard these rumors? Mike? Has it been mentioned on any major recruiting sites?

I can't see this happening at all. It just doesn't make much sense.

[shaunsimpson]

I have heard that it is a possibility, but not that it is a done deal by any stretch. My guess is that it was believed that we were in his top 3 last year.

I think that we have the extra year and being further away going against us. I think we have Mick and previous relationship going for us.

[Cats4Ever]

per Mike's rules:

No ‘teasing’ - If you know something or imply you know something, say it. Comments like "I can't say" or "I have to wait to tell you later" are useless and only serve the writer's ego.

Come on 98 - either you know something and are teasing, or are just throwing speculation.

What is it? What is happening.

PS - no more teasing - there is too much good stuff happening now to make us worry............................ :)

[Bearcat98]

per Mike's rules:

No ‘teasing’ - If you know something or imply you know something, say it. Comments like "I can't say" or "I have to wait to tell you later" are useless and only serve the writer's ego.

Come on 98 - either you know something and are teasing, or are just throwing speculation.

What is it? What is happening.

PS - no more teasing - there is too much good stuff happening now to make us worry............................ :)

I'm not teasing or pumping my ego. As stated above... "The one sure thing is that Smith to UC is definitly still a possibility... Nothing guranteed by anymeans, but still very much possible"...

What Shaun said above is absolutely correct as well. Give it a few weeks and we'll see how it plays out guys... No worries... The future of this program is very promising. What Mick has done in his short time at UC already is incredible.

Any yes, it is also being discussed on the pay site message boards... The possibility of him coming to UC is not a secret if you have access to those boards. This is my last post on this subject. I'm not discussing this to cause worries, just excited about the future and excited to talk about real possibilities.

If Smith does or doesn't end up at UC, Mick will sign top 100 High school guys with the open 08' scholarships he has available. The future looks very bright...

[Cats21]

I believe the issue of teasing had to center on "There is more to this than we are discussing on a public forum... "
I could be wrong, but if you know more can you say it?

[Jtarchcincy]

This sounds very sketchy to me. Bearcat98 sounds like its more than likely he'll come here. Has anyone else heard these rumors? Mike? Has it been mentioned on any major recruiting sites?

I can't see this happening at all. It just doesn't make much sense.

Yes. This topic is being discussed on the major recruiting sites. What 98 is saying is somewhat accurate with the opinions of those sites.

-J

[MicksTheGuy]

I don't understand why some people on this site get their panties in a bunch. I think it makes it fun to talk about these things. If your invested so much emotionally when something like this turns out to not go your way then you need to find more of a life. Besides you know what this thread is about since page one. If it bother's you so much what the heck are still reading it for on page 4?

[MicksTheGuy]

Bearcat98, please don't feel like you can't post your opinion on what you think or hear is going on. I like the postitive talk even if it doesn't go our way. You are just calling it like you see it and you are not making any promises. However, I do have my eye :rolleyes: on you till the end of May. Tyler Smith should not make a difference with your previous prediction of "Mick is making a strong run at a point guard and a center.... I expect to hear news on each posistion in the coming weeks... " :)

[bengals21]

I don't have a problem with people sharing their information but we should respect the rules that Mike, Keith, and Brett have set for this forum. Mike has already been on here once to warn about 'teasing' so if he doesn't want people to do it then don't.

By the way I'm not directing anything negative toward you Bearcat98 because I am sure you do have your sources. I just wanted to point out that the no 'teasing' thing was set by the administrators.



http://forums.bearcatnews.com/showthread.php?p=922#post922

[FleXcursion]

That will be up to Mick and what Mick wants to do... plain and simple. Are you making your statement based on something you know or on assumption?

Mick Mick Mick..love the guy, but Tyler Smith's college choice is not up to him. I've dropped his name around some well informed people, and it's a no-go. Tyler Smith will not be a Bearcat.

[Bearcat98]

Guys, That's all fine and I appreciate the honesty and encouragement... Here's the deal as I know it, verified by multiple sources. I was just hoping to have a positive thread about the situation and keep people aware that UC still had a chance at Smith.

Smith is from the same AAU program as Mike Williams. That particular AAU coach and Mick are VERY tight... That is how Mick got so close to getting Smith on such short notice last year. Smith transferred from Iowa both because of his dad's illness and the fact that Steve Alford left. Tennessee was Smiths choice out of high school and the "bad blood" over his scholarship release with Pearl and others in the program after Buzz Peterson was fired soured him from going straight back there upon transferring... Everyone just assumed he would go back there and started writing stories about it being a done deal. UC is not too far from home for Smith and his AAU coach is directing him to UC. It is the feeling from miltiple people from multiple sources (Paysites and a person I know that is close to the program) that Smith has informed Mick that he wants to be a Bearcat if Mick will make room for him.

The catch is that he intends to play 1 year and declare for the NBA draft. Most people I've talked to said he'll need at least 2 more years of college ball before he could hope to be a lottery pick. So... the consensus opinion is that Mick is mulling his option as to make room for him or not... that ball is litterally in Micks court.

Another twist is that Mick is in very good with several top 100 08' recruits so filling the final 3 08' scholarships with quality newcomers won't be a problem, especially with Gates and Wilks already committed. More consensus opinion says that Mick wants to use all 3 08 schlarships on quality guys who will be here for a few years, sign McElroy with the only scholarship available in 09 and focus on the 2010 and 2011 classes beginning now. So, consensus opinion is that Mick will only make room for Smith if he gets his waiver, can play next year and be a 1 and done. That would make next years team instantly much better than it will be without Smith. Mick has no interest in kicking someone off the team this year to make room for Smith if he cannot play in 07', then miss out on a quality 08' recruit who will be here a couple of years if smith were to do his 1 and done in the 08' season. Another scenario is if one of the newcomers fails to qualify academically and one of those scholarships opens up without booting someone from the team. If that happens he will be a bearcat reguardless of the hardship. I also think that Smith will be a bearcat if he commits to staying for more than just 1 season, but who knows about that.

The fact is that neither the newcomers final grades or Smith's hardship appeal has a final answer yet, so there probably won't be an answer to this situation for a few weeks when grades are in and the inquiry into his hardship is resolved.

On another recruiting note, until this situation is resolved, Mick isn't sure if he will have 2 or 3 scholarships available for 08' and there probably won't be as much news or any commitments until the Smith deal is resolved one way or another.

I hope I don't get in trouble with anyone for writing that, but there you have it as I understand it. It's my opinion that he will be a Bearcat if he gets his hardship or one of the newcomers is not eligible when the final grades and test scores come in. He will not be a bearcat if everyone is eligible and he is denied his hardship unless he is willing stay multiple years. Could go either way, but it is currently Micks decision as to if he wants to make room for him or not. If Mick opts to not take him, look for him to end up at Memphis or Alabama. UT is still apossibility, but not likely.

Decisions like this is why Mick makes the big bucks ;). In Mick I trust. We'll see what happens.

[Kindog202]

I have no problem with what 98 has posted. It sounds like there is a somewhat decent chance that Smith becomes a Bearcat and I look at this situation like reporting on any other kid who has an interest in the 'Cats, so I want the updates to keep coming. Let's say it works out and Smith becomes a Bearcat, people are going to want to know what led up to him deciding on UC. I think 98 has done a good job of providing what info he knows and has done a good job to temper things when necessary. I, for one, continue to look for updates from 98 and anyone else in the know about this situation and will not be upset in the least if Smith winds up somewhere else other than UC.

I think there is a difference between "teasing" as some tried to do w/McClain (i.e., "come to xyz.com for further information" and then nothing happening for weeks and even months) vs reporting the story as it unfolds as 98 is doing. If there wasn't truth to the situation, then 98 must be one heck of a creative writer to come up with the details that he has provided to us already.

[YouGuessedItFrankStallone]

Honestly if Smith is really only going to be here for one year, wouldn't it make more sense to use that scholly on a top 100, possible 4 year player?

If he was a true point or a 7 footer I could see it, but we will have sophomore wings like Henry, Mitchell, and Bishop, not to mention Wilkes, who will be chomping at the bit for PT.

Before spring recruiting, I would have said you're crazy not to want him, but Mick's done SO well recruiting, I don't think this is a gamble we need to take. I'd almost rather give Mich 12 months to see what he can do with those 3 schollies. A stud HS PG, top C, and good outside shooter who will stick around might all be more useful in the long run than one year of Smith.

[MicksTheGuy]

FleXcursion:

Well that kind of statment makes it to my recruit predictions thread.

[waterhead]

I think the main goal of the administrators is to try to cut down on un-verifiable rumors. I don't want to pretend as if I am making a new rule or speaking for them. This is my opinion and not necessarily the opinion of any of the admin guys.

I think the use of vague terms like "a reputable source" or "someone close to the program" or "someone close to the player" are copouts. Those terms are subjective to what you personally think is "reputable" or "close".

If you can't be more specific than that you may as well not mention it because you know you are going to hear it from the peanut gallery in here. I myself don't mind hearing it but that's just me. I can choose to believe something or not.

If you heard it from a paysite say "paysite". If you heard it from a coach, the player, message board, article, etc just say so. I don't think you should have to get too specific if it's going to get someone in trouble.

We should definitely track these rumors and hold "our sources" accountable somehow for their accuracy. Actually, I think someone is doing that already.

If you want to advertise in here just ask the administrators how much they charge for ad space, a link to your website, or give them a few bucks for referrals.

By the way, thanks to 98 for the breakdown and the insider info.

[lt7784]

Thanks for clearing that up, 98.

I'm not sure if I feel this is worth the risk, especially if he won't be here for 3 years.

[waterhead]

Honestly if Smith is really only going to be here for one year, wouldn't it make more sense to use that scholly on a top 100, possible 4 year player?

If he was a true point or a 7 footer I could see it, but we will have sophomore wings like Henry, Mitchell, and Bishop, not to mention Wilkes, who will be chomping at the bit for PT.

Before spring recruiting, I would have said you're crazy not to want him, but Mick's done SO well recruiting, I don't think this is a gamble we need to take. I'd almost rather give Mich 12 months to see what he can do with those 3 schollies. A stud HS PG, top C, and good outside shooter who will stick around might all be more useful in the long run than one year of Smith.

If we get him for one year and then he leaves Mick will have another scholly to give in 09' and we can give it to a 4 year guy then. I doubt Mick will have trouble finding ONE top 50 guy in 09' if he is hot on the trail of a bunch of top 100's in 08'. I like 4 year guys too but 1 year guys are only one year away from getting a 4 year guy. It's hard to pass up on PROVEN D1 talent. If he can play this year I would take him regardless of how long he wants to play. This would also help us start to even out the recruiting classes. This would be like pulling in a top 5 star recruit in 07' IF he can play this year.

If he can't play this year I say we pass on him since he would tie up a scholly and makes our team worse by virtue of having to get rid of a current scholarship player.

I was looking at this and thought it needed some editing. First of all I guess if we got Tyler he wouldn't take the place of an 08' recruit he would take an 07' scholly...correct? If he left after one year we would have the same amount of scholly's available in 08' as we do now.

[YouGuessedItFrankStallone]

If we get him for one year and then he leaves Mick will have another scholly to give in 09' and we can give it to a 4 year guy then. I doubt Mick will have trouble finding ONE top 50 guy in 09' if he is hot on the trail of a bunch of top 100's in 08'. I like 4 year guys too but 1 year guys are only one year away from getting a 4 year guy. It's hard to pass up on PROVEN D1 talent. If he can play this year I would take him regardless of how long he wants to play. This would also help us start to even out the recruiting classes. This would be like pulling in a top 5 star recruit in 07' IF he can play this year.

If he can't play this year I say we pass on him since he would tie up a scholly and makes our team worse by virtue of having to get rid of a current scholarship player.

I was looking at this and thought it needed some editing. First of all I guess if we got Tyler he wouldn't take the place of an 08' recruit he would take an 07' scholly...correct? If he left after one year we would have the same amount of scholly's available in 08' as we do now.

It depends... if Mick runs off Warren or Gentry and then Smith leaves, it won't make a diference because W or G would be gone anyway. If Henry (or whoever) doesn't qualify and we get Smith, who then leaves, we would have that extra one since now we were assuming the whole '07 class will still be there.

[Bearcat98]

It depends... if Mick runs off Warren or Gentry and then Smith leaves, it won't make a diference because W or G would be gone anyway. If Henry (or whoever) doesn't qualify and we get Smith, who then leaves, we would have that extra one since now we were assuming the whole '07 class will still be there.

Yeah, there are multiple ways this situation can work itself out, depending on who's scholarship Smith would take and how long he would stay. We'll see what happens...

[MicksTheGuy]

Sorry guys I don't care what it takes how do you not take this guy? He was second on the team in scoring, first in Reb (not all that impressive of a number though), 2nd in assist and first in minutes per game.

Players Pts Reb Asst Min FG% 3PT% FT%
T. Smith 14.9 4.9 3.6 33.7 44.2 25.4 72.7

[waterhead]

If he takes up a scholly this year from someone like Gentry or Warren but himself can't play until next year I can certainly see why we wouldn't need to risk it. All we have are unproven freshman after our medium talent jucos. If Smith can't play this year we may need the jucos. He also carries a little baggage and if we pull a scholarship it doesn't make us look great. That means we better get something immediate out of the deal to put out the small fire that it may start.

If he can't play this year Mick will have some explaining to do about why he pulled a scholarship. The fan base is a little trigger happy after the Huggins deal and the brass is looking to graduate more players. Tyler isn't planning on graduating from the sounds of things.

If he can play this year I say go for it because the fans get immediate satisfaction. I'm sure we can afford a small hit in the players graduated department and the jucos (although we appreciate their efforts) aren't exactly bringing fans through the door. We need fans at the games!

[bengals21]

He is a great player and would probably be one of the best on the team if he were to pick UC. I could think of a few reasons not to take him though. He doesn't come with the best reputation. It wouldn't really look good for Mick to run off another player. That is something that can hurt with recruiting and mess with team chemistry. Plus the NCAA doesn't like to see that happen and it is not fun being on their bad side.

We already have some pretty good talent that can play the SF with Williamson, Henry, and Bishop. I'd really only like to see this happen if one of the incoming recruits don't qualify which is a big possibility. I seriously doubt the NCAA will let him transfer and play right away though.

[MikeInClifton]

I didn't see Bearcat98's comments as teasing.

I think its possible that Smith becomes a Bearcat, but a lot has to happen.

[MicksTheGuy]

<Joke>Care to comment a little more Mike? Seems as though you might be teasing us a little!<End of Joke>

[Bearcat98]

Hate to burst the bubble guys, but as discussed previously, word is that the NCAA will not grant Smith his waiver to play next year if he comes to UC so look for him to transfer closer to home soon... Memphis or Tenessee seem to be his only choices at this point unfortunately.... The scenario where Mick would take him isn't going to happen.

[waterhead]

It was fun while it lasted...who's next on the hot list?

[Bearcat98]

<Joke>Care to comment a little more Mike? Seems as though you might be teasing us a little!<End of Joke>

LOL... Thanks for the back up Mike :). The chances if it actually happening were much better than a lot of people were giving it credit for... You win some and lose some... off to the class of 08'!

[Bearcat98]

It was fun while it lasted...who's next on the hot list?

3 scholarships for 08'... one goes ot a PG, 1 goes to a center, 1 goes to a combo SG/SF... The names on Mikes recruiting list are up to date ;).

[Kindog202]

98, Kids are kids and things change all the time, but do you have any idea when those 3 scholly's from '08 will be filled? Will we know by end of spring?summer?next fall? Thanks.

[Bearcat98]

98, Kids are kids and things change all the time, but do you have any idea when those 3 scholly's from '08 will be filled? Will we know by end of spring?summer?next fall? Thanks.

Kindog, No one knows for sure, some seem to think that there may be a couple commitments this month... I'm confident that 3 LOI's will be signed in the fall. It may take all summer to get the kids to commit, but I don't expect to have any "spring recruits" for 08'. Mick seems to have multiple "quality" guys interested at each posistion so there should be some "competition" for each scholarship.

I'm not sure who the "top priority" recruit at each spot are, but personally, I'd like to see Bost, Morgan and Tony Mitchell... Mitchell will play SG in college. Mick seems to be REAL good with getting "in" with under the radar guys early on, before multiple programs get involved. Darnel Wilks is a great example... Look for him to jump up in the recruiting rankings when the new ones come out. All 3 guys I mentioned above are "under the radar" guys mick got in with early. They are just now beginning to get noticed and recruited heavily by multiple programs.

I hope that Mick getting in early with them pays off... That is one of the reasons that McClain signed here. Mick got in earlier than most and established good relationships with is coaches and family before anyone else. That ultimately tipped the scales in UC's direction. :cool:

[Mick's Da Man]

Bost could very likely sign in the next couple of weeks for the class of '08.

Some people say UC is strong with Morgan, others say he is a Kansas lean.

Mitchell has UC at the top right now.

I prefer to get these 3 guys to complete the '08 class. I would also take Tony Woods if Morgan goes elsewhere. Not sure who Mick's contingency plan is at center if Morgan goes elsewhere. ;)

[FleXcursion]

98, I tried to tell you...;)

I'm just giving you a hard time; Smith may not be an option anymore but the '08 class is looking to be amazing, to say the least.

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

Bost is supposed to be taking a visit to UC later this month and his stellar performances recently have a few other high majors getting involved in his recruitment. Another PG might be in for a visit later this month. Things indeed are looking very good with Tony Mitchell. Right now who knows with Morgan. Every time something is written on him several schools are included, then left off, very odd.

[Mick's Da Man]

Bost is supposed to be taking a visit to UC later this month and his stellar performances recently have a few other high majors getting involved in his recruitment. Another PG might be in for a visit later this month. Things indeed are looking very good with Tony Mitchell. Right now who knows with Morgan. Every time something is written on him several schools are included, then left off, very odd.

But isn't Dee another kid that Mick has been in on for awhile, and hasn't Bost said he has UC at the top of his list?

[Bearcat98]

But isn't Dee another kid that Mick has been in on for awhile, and hasn't Bost said he has UC at the top of his list?

Yes, Bost and Mitchell both have UC at the top of thier lists... Morgan is a big (?) as to what he really wants to do. I'm guessing that neither Bost or Mitchell are firmly at the top of mick's list at the moment or there would be commitments by now (by both the player and UC). If the " month of May" commitments happen as previously discussed, it will most likely be one or both of these two.

By the way, it doesn't look like Tony Woods has any interest in leaving the South East. If Mick, can't get Morgan, I don't see Woods as a potential back-up plan... Not sure what other centers are out there either... Might be time to look JUCO just to free up another scholarship for the 2010 class and banance out the scholarships a bit.

Another note, the NCAA is still working on cracking down on prep programs as "diploma mills". If things continue, we will start to see more guys going the JUCO rout rather than the Prep-school rout in the future. NCAA Rules on prep schools are going to start changing in the next couple of years....