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UCbball21

07-15-2008, 03:28 PM

I will be shocked if Behanon isn't a Bearcat by the end of his soph season. I wouldn't be suprised if he has already made up his mind but it is too early to give a verbal just yet. As for Payne, I believe we are sitting pretty but I doubt he has completely made up his mind. However, judging his desire to stay close to home and OSU already having a flurry of commits for 2010, I would bet that were in the drivers seat. I like our chances with both players but to say they're silent verbals may be a bit of a stretch. Hope your right though :)

Thegreatone

07-15-2008, 04:09 PM

SLMadiCat

07-15-2008, 04:11 PM

I'd say UC has a better shot at Payne than the North Carolina's and Florida's.

anbuc88

07-15-2008, 04:37 PM

I dont believe you Ralph. You have zero inside infortmation and you are one of the least crediable people on the board. Payne would be HUGE, but it hasnt happened. I believe we have a decent shot at Paybe but no better than the North Carolinas and Florida's.

I think Ralph has good sources but like most of us isn't always right. It may be a heavy rumor now, and I hope he is right, but these kids change their mind frequently. I hope MC can close the deal as these 2 would be hugh gets and will be able to attract other high caliber recruits to join them.

shaunsimpson

07-15-2008, 05:17 PM

Why silent verbals? I never understood those (if they even happen).

All verbals are actualy silent verbals at one point. The coach can not comment on a player until he signs a LOI so it is silent as long as he doesn't tell someone about it. Most of the time it is for a week or so for the player to inform the other schools that were recrutiing him that he was going elsewhere, but I never buy into the long term ones since there is no advantage to them unless you are hoping for a better offer and in that case why commit in the first place.

I have heard very little on any of the basketball guys lately so who knows. Hopefully there will be a set of of the guys who want to play for UC as they will have room (unlike another instate school). 2010 is a huge year for Mick and his legacy here could be formed with that class since it could be the 2nd wave of kids he recruited.

CroninCrazy

07-15-2008, 05:37 PM

I think Ralph has good sources but like most of us isn't always right. It may be a heavy rumor now, and I hope he is right, but these kids change their mind frequently. I hope MC can close the deal as these 2 would be hugh gets and will be able to attract other high caliber recruits to join them.

Ralph got it straight off the NCAABoards:

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=305578

anbuc88

07-15-2008, 07:17 PM

Ralph got it straight off the NCAABoards:

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=305578

Not everyone looks at these boards. Where did the authors of this thread get their info, from Ralph?:D

UCbball21

07-15-2008, 08:01 PM

He probably got it from Yappi, but anyways the info isn't that off base in regards to Chane, I don't know about Payne as I said before but I wouldn't be suprised. One player I really like is Jelan Kendrick, I believe he was Cash Wright's former teammate. He's not quite the shooter Sibert is, but is much better at penetrating and has great handles, a natural scorer. He tore it up at the TOC, averaged over 29 a game

MikeInClifton

07-15-2008, 08:54 PM

. . . Yappi who got it from BearcatNews who got it from the BBS who got it from Yappi who got it from . . .

NorrisHopper30

07-15-2008, 09:37 PM

. . . Yappi who got it from BearcatNews who got it from the BBS who got it from Yappi who got it from . . .

Their sources, duh :p.

As long as it is the catalyst towards recruiting discussion I don't have a problem with it.

juckerrules

07-16-2008, 08:24 AM

. . . Yappi who got it from BearcatNews who got it from the BBS who got it from Yappi who got it from . . .

Why even care what a sophomore says or thinks? They don't think at that age - they have no idea what they really want and are subject to many changes - both in themselves and in the quality of their play (witness whats-his-name, the kid from LaSalle who committed as a soph - where is he now?)

Billy Don

07-16-2008, 08:53 AM

All verbals are actualy silent verbals at one point. The coach can not comment on a player until he signs a LOI so it is silent as long as he doesn't tell someone about it. Most of the time it is for a week or so for the player to inform the other schools that were recrutiing him that he was going elsewhere, but I never buy into the long term ones since there is no advantage to them unless you are hoping for a better offer and in that case why commit in the first place.

I have heard very little on any of the basketball guys lately so who knows. Hopefully there will be a set of of the guys who want to play for UC as they will have room (unlike another instate school). 2010 is a huge year for Mick and his legacy here could be formed with that class since it could be the 2nd wave of kids he recruited.

2010! Geez! We don't even know for sure what coach UC will have at that point in time, not alone what recruits UC will be looking at. 2010 if UC is in the top 6 in the Big East Mick will have a contract extension and UC will still be moving foward. Anything less than top 6 Mick's head will be on the chopping block and UC will be looking to start the whole process all over again. 2010 will be an interesting year one way or the other.

bearcat65

07-16-2008, 10:52 AM

2010! Geez! We don't even know for sure what coach UC will have at that point in time, not alone what recruits UC will be looking at. 2010 if UC is in the top 6 in the Big East Mick will have a contract extension and UC will still be moving foward. Anything less than top 6 Mick's head will be on the chopping block and UC will be looking to start the whole process all over again. 2010 will be an interesting year one way or the other.

2010 is less than 2 years away. Unless the team totally tanks he will be the coach in 2010 and I've read nothing that would indicate he would be fired for not being top 6 in the Big East. Realistically they could finish 7th or 8th and make the NCAA given the strength of the conference.

UCbball21

07-16-2008, 11:08 AM

2010 is less than 2 years away. Unless the team totally tanks he will be the coach in 2010 and I've read nothing that would indicate he would be fired for not being top 6 in the Big East. Realistically they could finish 7th or 8th and make the NCAA given the strength of the conference.

If they finish 7th or 8th and have a good OOC record, they're locks for the NCAA. It wouldn't be out of the question for them to make it standing at 9th in the BE if they had a .500 record or higher and some key wins out of conference.

NorrisHopper30

07-16-2008, 12:46 PM

Why even care what a sophomore says or thinks? They don't think at that age - they have no idea what they really want and are subject to many changes - both in themselves and in the quality of their play (witness whats-his-name, the kid from LaSalle who committed as a soph - where is he now?)

The reason he's not going to UC is because he isn't good enough.

SLMadiCat

07-16-2008, 03:23 PM

I know who the coach will be in 2010 and it definitely isn't too early to discuss those recruits, especially since they could be top 10 players. Chane is 2011 could be a top 5 player nationally. Those two recruiting classes could be the best in a while. The talent out there is unbelievable.

qsilvr2531

07-16-2008, 06:09 PM

I imagine early commitments by guys like Payne and Behanan would improve Mick's chances of getting an extension by themselves.

CincyBearcat95

07-17-2008, 02:22 PM

I would also imagine that once the silent verbal or not so silent verbal gets around, it could help recruiting! Some schools are talking to 8th graders, Sophomores does not seem too early to me.

Irishbearcat

07-17-2008, 10:11 PM

JasonS

07-18-2008, 12:50 AM

I'm not a big fan of silent verbals at all. If the coaching staff is supposed to accept his 'verbal', and not look further for that schollie, then the kid should commit publicly. I'm all in favor of an early signing period.
Some schools are hit hard by players being 'silent commits', then deciding at the last minute (too late for the schools) to find a comparable replacement.
In my mind, if the kid is looking, the school is too.....and that doesn't stop until the kid has given a verbal commitment (and has stopped taking visits).

I may be wrong but I believe silent verbals usually only come into play with kids who cannot officially commit because of their age. A kid can tell a coach that he wants to be a Bearcat but you have to be a Junior before you can officially commit. Silent verbals are a part of College Basketball and I hope Mick gets a bunch of them from some top players. Why should Mick not accept a silent verbal from a kid like Behanan when other coaches around the country are?

SLMadiCat

07-18-2008, 08:43 AM

A player can commit verbally any time they want. They can only sign after a certain standpoint.

I don't think silent verbals happen too often, if ever. Mike probably knows better than me, but I hear about silent verbals a lot and I've never really believed them.

Mick's Da Man

07-22-2008, 09:31 AM

OSU got the guys who will go pro early and UC will get the guys who will be great college players, but stick around 3 or 4 years.

On another message board, I got pm'd that Behanon was a lock for UC. Not really that much of a surprise.

Payne to UC makes sense with OSU's already committed class.

JerseySean

07-22-2008, 09:36 AM

On another message board, I got pm'd that Behanon was a lock for UC. Not really that much of a surprise.

BEWARE of postings like this! Fun to speculate, but as we've seen from a number of recruits the last couple of years, no one is a lock. Remember Tyreke? Remember J'Mison? (Sounds like a Billy Joel song...)

I only believe it once I hear the recruit say it himself. Otherwise, it is all speculation -- usually BAD speculation, at that...

Scheids21

07-22-2008, 10:03 AM

BEWARE of postings like this! Fun to speculate, but as we've seen from a number of recruits the last couple of years, no one is a lock. Remember Tyreke? Remember J'Mison? (Sounds like a Billy Joel song...)

I only believe it once I hear the recruit say it himself. Otherwise, it is all speculation -- usually BAD speculation, at that...

Yeah I agree that there is a tiny, tiny group of people who truly know what a recruit is thinking. Just curious...which song were you thinking of?

JerseySean

07-22-2008, 10:49 AM

Yeah I agree that there is a tiny, tiny group of people who truly know what a recruit is thinking. Just curious...which song were you thinking of?

Remember Charlie? Remember Baker? They left their childhood on every acre... (Goodnight Saigon) Crude comparison, I know.

shaunsimpson

07-22-2008, 11:42 AM

Remember Tyreke? Remember J'Mison? (Sounds like a Billy Joel song...)

****, remember Butler who committed as a sophmore and then went on to have 4 productive years - at another school in Columbus. Nothing is a lock, but all signs point to good.

SLMadiCat

07-22-2008, 11:57 AM

No one ever said anything about Tyreke (except Ralph and he was obviously joking). I don't think UC even recruited him at all. J'Mison was never a lock either and barely in his top 5.

Payne and Behanan are seriously considering UC, whether they are locks or not (I doubt they are).

Pie Hole

07-22-2008, 01:38 PM

I enjoy having fun and talking to others and such.

Scheids21

07-22-2008, 06:04 PM

Remember Charlie? Remember Baker? They left their childhood on every acre... (Goodnight Saigon) Crude comparison, I know.

Ahh yes, didn't catch. Probably because its not one of my favorites by him...I like the effort though.

JerseySean

07-22-2008, 06:12 PM

Ahh yes, didn't catch. Probably because its not one of my favorites by him...I like the effort though.

We need some levity around here once in a while... I'm just trying to do my part in-between my rants against some other person's rant.

Scheids21

07-22-2008, 07:25 PM

We need some levity around here once in a while... I'm just trying to do my part in-between my rants against some other person's rant.

Much appreciated. I'll try to help you out with that

bubbachunk

07-23-2008, 10:25 PM

I wanna see solid proof before getting my hopes up too much because kids change their minds all the time.

SLMadiCat

07-31-2008, 01:15 PM

Article on Payne. Although it doesn't list UC, I have a feeling it's more to do with the paper just failing to mention them. It's going to be tough to get him to UC with more and more schools after him pretty hard.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/high-schools/2008/07/31/ddn073108sppayne.html

ralph1950

08-13-2008, 11:06 PM

Another Ralph heavy rumor is reality.

JasonS

08-14-2008, 05:02 PM

Another Ralph heavy rumor is reality.

Ralph, you should quit patting yourself on the back and start coming up with some more good rumors! Maybe Payne this time? :D

Thegreatone

08-15-2008, 08:08 AM

I still feel that Payne is slightly more important than Chane was. Payne is another remarkable talent. I know it is early but if somebody reminded me of Kenyon it is Payne. I am excited to see if Mick can land this kid and if he does we will be in really good position. We need to take back Ohio from OSU and Chane, Yancy, and Payne would be a huge first step.

ralph1950

08-15-2008, 10:34 AM

Ralph, you should quit patting yourself on the back and start coming up with some more good rumors! Maybe Payne this time? :D

Payne gave UC a silent verbal after the Take 5 Classic same as Behanon.

SLMadiCat

08-15-2008, 10:58 AM

I'd love for you to be right on this one, Ralph.

JasonS

08-15-2008, 12:22 PM

Payne gave UC a silent verbal after the Take 5 Classic same as Behanon.

You know what, now that you mentioned it again, I do remember you saying something to this effect. If you are right, this would be gigantic. I am so excited to be a Bearcat fan and I am just glad that my optimism and hope for the program never waivered, even in the tough times. How long before the bandwagon jumpers try to get back on? I am thinking November, maybe December of this year?

MikeInClifton

08-16-2008, 10:00 AM

I still feel that Payne is slightly more important than Chane was. Payne is another remarkable talent. I know it is early but if somebody reminded me of Kenyon it is Payne.

Thats a lot of pressure to put on Payne and I wont make the same comparison. I've only seen Payne play once and I feel he is very, very good already but he also has high potential. But he has as much shot at being the next Kenyon as any other top player, thats for sure.