Updated Rivals rankings

[GoBearcats31]

Apparently Yancy Gates' stock was dropping, but he's still a 5-star #17.
Darnell Wilks 4-star #63, not sure if this is any different.
Lotta guys with Medium interest in top 150 still

*Kenny Frease (XU)- 36
*Screw Ohio State

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

Apparently Yancy Gates' stock was dropping, but he's still a 5-star #17.
Darnell Wilks 4-star #63, not sure if this is any different.
Lotta guys with Medium interest in top 150 still

*Kenny Frease (XU)- 36
*Screw Ohio State

The updated rankings don't come out until Monday. The only thing they've done is release #17-25 which include several new players who are now 5 star recruits. In the new rankings Gates will likely slide into the late 30s or early 40s. Wilks likely into the top 50 and Mitchell should jump up quite a bit from where is now, which is around #99.

[GoBearcats31]

Oh good call. Even with a slip in Yancy's ranking, we still know what he is capable of and Wilks going up will be good too. TONY Mitchell is at 99, but hes not committed here, at least yet, so theres no reason to bring him up unless you really KnowMoreThan me

[Mick's Da Man]

If Yancy were going to Duke, UK, OSU, Louisville, UCLA, UConn or UNC, he'd be top 10. ;)

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

Tony Mitchell has UC at the top of his list and it wouldn't be a shock to see him become a bearcat this summer.

[BearcatLair.com]

If Yancy were going to Duke, UK, OSU, Louisville, UCLA, UConn or UNC, he'd be top 10. ;)

That is not true at all. Gates has not played well this spring and his ranking will reflect that. You have to perform when the scouts are looking at you and Gates simply did not perform to the level he is capable of.

Maybe this will motivate him to work harder all the time when he is out there on the court.

[Josh Rexhausen]

I could really care less what ranking he ends up at, We all agree he can be a good player, Mick believes he can be a good player, He just needs to do what he can with his game so that he fits into Micks offense and play D the way mick wants him too, that's it. Be the best Bearcat he can be right now. When college players work out in pro camps sometimes they want to find out what they need to work on, he just needs to do the same thing, except he knows where he is going, so he just has to listen to one coach. If doing that drops his stock, who cares, he works for the Bearcats.

Maybe this will motivate him to work harder all the time when he is out there on the court.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

That is not true at all. Gates has not played well this spring and his ranking will reflect that. You have to perform when the scouts are looking at you and Gates simply did not perform to the level he is capable of.

Maybe this will motivate him to work harder all the time when he is out there on the court.

Even more proof that Jerry Meyer and Rivals are out in left field on these kind of ratings.

[Mick's Da Man]

That is not true at all. Gates has not played well this spring and his ranking will reflect that. You have to perform when the scouts are looking at you and Gates simply did not perform to the level he is capable of.

Maybe this will motivate him to work harder all the time when he is out there on the court.

It may not apply with Gates, but it has applied with other players who have chosen non-name programs. You have to admit that the school a player chooses SOMETIMES plays into their ranking.

[waterhead]

Can anyone tell me what the scouting sites base their star rankings on? Is it based on what they are hearing from D1 coaches and who is getting the most attention. Is it from actually watching the kids play? Are the five stars related to skill sets that the player has? Like a five star player in baseball can hit for power, hit for average, has a glove, has speed, and has an arm.

Maybe rebounding, defense, ball handling, shooting range, post scoring? I don't have a clue how these guys get ranked. This doesn't seem possible since centers and guards would have different skill sets.

[Bearcat98]

Can anyone tell me what the scouting sites base their star rankings on? Is it based on what they are hearing from D1 coaches and who is getting the most attention. Is it from actually watching the kids play? Are the five stars related to skill sets that the player has? Like a five star player in baseball can hit for power, hit for average, has a glove, has speed, and has an arm.

Maybe rebounding, defense, ball handling, shooting range, post scoring? I don't have a clue how these guys get ranked. This doesn't seem possible since centers and guards would have different skill sets.

This isn't the most scientific answer, but it's basically a rating of how good of a potential pro they can become with their high school age range skill sets (based on the opinion of the guys doing the ratings like Jerry Meyer listed above)... Along with how well they are playing (how motivated they are) at the time. Gates has "five star tools" but is said to be underachirving with those tools (not currently playing well) so he will drop down the ratings a bit. A strong senior year will move him back up the lists...

That is why late developing guys (Like Kenyon Martin) come out of no-where. He either didn't have the full compliment of skill sets in HS or wasn't seen all that much on the AAU circuit in high school. After 4 years of college, some development and motivation, he had it all together and was looked at as a "5 star" college player. Same idea can be applied to the High school guys.

5 star HS guys are said to be "NBA ready or NBA quality players" 4 star guys need further development to be quality NBA guys. 3 Stars need development to make the NBA. 2 stars, ect...

I was a 0 star player in high school so that qualified me to stand outside of any NBA arena and buy a ticket :D.

[jon b]

And like all things, many people get labelled. If someone is labelled as doing well against small school competition and decides to play in th eband, they could actually be the 25th best player, but rated 250. large chunck of the rating is performance in the "circuit". Most players do participate but there are so many variables that in my opinion the lists should be considered a guide, not a science.

Have you ever been to a horse race track and bought a racing form? You have to use it to rank the horses, but the guy next to you might rank them differently using the same criteria. Also, the form does not have ALL the criteria, but you have to judge anyway. Most ranking systems (IMHO) are like that.

[cspeed]

It also helped Kenyon that he grew 4-6 inches when he stepped on the UC campus ...

[General Woundwort]

It also helped Kenyon that he grew 4-6 inches when he stepped on the UC campus ...

What? That is just ridiculous. He is the same height now that he was when UC signed him. Are you seriously suggesting that he was 6-3 as a high school senior? Weird, since he was 6-8 as a high school junior:

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_interview_kenyonmartin_022602.shtml

[waterhead]

Thanks guys. I was just wondering how they track all these kids. If 90% of them are playing AAU ball then that explains it.

[cspeed]

He was not 6 '9 when he was recruited .....

[mlb]

He was not 6 '9 when he was recruited .....

He wasn't 6'3" either.

[cspeed]

OK maybe 4-6 inches is stretching it a little, but wasn't he a 6'5 -6'6 SF ?

[cspeed]

That could absoluteley jump out of the gym !!!!

[jrmac151]

yes he was! He may have grown his jr-sr year but I seem to recall he was not a 6'8" jr- unless that was the end of the year

[Texcat]

It also helped Kenyon that he grew 4-6 inches when he stepped on the UC campus ...

That dormitory food will do that to you!:)

[waterhead]

That dormitory food will do that to you!:)

What about human growth hormones;)

[General Woundwort]

OK maybe 4-6 inches is stretching it a little, but wasn't he a 6'5 -6'6 SF ?

He was 6'8" as a junior in HIGH SCHOOL! He was a center his entire HS career (including starting as a freshman), recruited as a C/PF, and never played anywhere else. If he grew at all in college (and I don't believe he did) it was minor, and had nothing to do with his overall development.

[GoBearcats31]

So now the new rankings really are out...

Darnell Wilks is #42
Yancy Gates is #84 ?!?!

[shaunsimpson]

Gates really surprises me. I guess the Rivals rankings are rankings based in a recent success prioritity over a combine like potential ranking. Gates was left for dead in AAU because of Mullens injury recently. The thing that really hurts him is the word out there that he doesn't try and that he disapears for games at a time.

[GoBearcats31]

Most of UC's targets such as Dee Bost, J'Mison Morgan, etc did move up however. We do know what Yancy is capable of, so that number in front of him shouldn't mean too much...and a side note, OSU-verbal Anthony Crater is 3-star #114. I dont remember what he was before, but on Scout he is 11th player overall, so he Gates wasnt the only one who's stock significantly dropped.

[shaunsimpson]

Anthony "Noopy" Crater was very high before and on Scout as the 11th overall player and 1st point guard.