Whatever happened to

[KingOfTheCats]

All these 08 commitments that were supposed to be rolling in during the 07 signing period that people on here and RivalsTodd kept talking about?

[FleXcursion]

Mick is still in the process of reeling in these big fish.

[KingOfTheCats]

Mick is still in the process of reeling in these big fish.

Well that's obvious, but I'm talking about these commitments a few people supposedly "in the know" made to seem as if there were commitments coming for 08 weeks ago now.

Seems one person starts a rumor and a bunch of people act like they're "in the know" and continue the rumor when they're all basically talking out their ...

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Well that's obvious, but I'm talking about these commitments a few people supposedly "in the know" made to seem as if there were commitments coming for 08 weeks ago now.

Seems one person starts a rumor and a bunch of people act like they're "in the know" and continue the rumor when they're all basically talking out their ...

There are a lot of people who like to "think" they're in the know. But, I admit, I do enjoy hearing it. I've been following UC since 1960, so, I've seen an awful lot of rumors. Some pan out....most don't.

[Bearcat98]

All these 08 commitments that were supposed to be rolling in during the 07 signing period that people on here and RivalsTodd kept talking about?

Mick won't offer 2 of them scholarshps because they are his #2 choices and he's still working on his #1 choices (as stated in other threads you haven't been reading)... If he decides to offer them, the above statement you posted will happen. If Mick continues to recruit his #1 options, the commitments will come over the summer from either the #1 or #2 choices, however it happens.

Sorry to dissapoint you... I for one will keep my mouth shut. I do hope you'll continue to start threads to talk about the future of UC basketball though. People are going to need topics to discuss once the "all time dunker" and all time "3 point shooter" threads run out ;) .

[waterhead]

All these 08 commitments that were supposed to be rolling in during the 07 signing period that people on here and RivalsTodd kept talking about?

You may want to refer to a thread called "recruiting predictions". There is someone in this forum trying to track these bold predictions under that thread name.

MickstheGuy is tracking.

[KingOfTheCats]

Mick won't offer 2 of them scholarshps because they are his #2 choices and he's still working on his #1 choices (as stated in other threads you haven't been reading)... If he decides to offer them, the above statement you posted will happen. If Mick continues to recruit his #1 options, the commitments will come over the summer from either the #1 or #2 choices, however it happens.

Sorry to dissapoint you... I for one will keep my mouth shut. I do hope you'll continue to start threads to talk about the future of UC basketball though. People are going to need topics to discuss once the "all time dunker" and all time "3 point shooter" threads run out ;) .

If they don't have offers how were they on the verge of committing "any day now" as people were saying.

Sounds like people weren't bothering to check their facts first.

[FleXcursion]

That's the internet for ya'.

[Bearcat98]

If they don't have offers how were they on the verge of committing "any day now" as people were saying.

Sounds like people weren't bothering to check their facts first.

I was not one making that statement... I'm one that said we may hear somehthing by the end of May (contengent on the statement above)... I can't speak for others who said "any day now". Re-read my statement above, then re-read this statement and you'll know where I stand.

As for the facts, my statements in this thread are facts.

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

Because of the hectic AAU and test taking schedule, a handful of player visits have been pushed back so expect some of those visits to start happening soon. A lot of players won't commit until they've seen the campus, met all the coaches and some of the players. Rarely you will see guys commit without a visit (i.e. Larry Davis) and there could very well be a commitment before the end of the month.

Everyone has to remember that these players are all still kids so they could have their mind set on committing one day and then wake up the next and change their mind. Also don't underestimate the importance of Yancy Gates declaring for UC and bringing in a quality PG and wing to complement him in the 2008 class.

[Bearcat98]

Because of the hectic AAU and test taking schedule, a handful of player visits have been pushed back so expect some of those visits to start happening soon. A lot of players won't commit until they've seen the campus, met all the coaches and some of the players. Rarely you will see guys commit without a visit (i.e. Larry Davis) and there could very well be a commitment before the end of the month.

Everyone has to remember that these players are all still kids so they could have their mind set on committing one day and then wake up the next and change their mind. Also don't underestimate the importance of Yancy Gates declaring for UC and bringing in a quality PG and wing to complement him in the 2008 class.

Well stated and very true...

PG #1 and PG #2 both have visits to campus in May by the way... That's not a secret.

[waterhead]

Mick won't offer 2 of them scholarshps because they are his #2 choices and he's still working on his #1 choices (as stated in other threads you haven't been reading)... If he decides to offer them, the above statement you posted will happen. If Mick continues to recruit his #1 options, the commitments will come over the summer from either the #1 or #2 choices, however it happens.

Sorry to dissapoint you... I for one will keep my mouth shut. I do hope you'll continue to start threads to talk about the future of UC basketball though. People are going to need topics to discuss once the "all time dunker" and all time "3 point shooter" threads run out ;) .

Hey 98 watch it there...do I detect a little sarcasm in your post about my intellectual threads:) Anyhow, I say you keep us up to date on what you are hearing through the grape vine and let some of the more impatient people on the board complain as they will. If all we did here was post a link after a newspaper reported an actual signing of letter of intent there wouldn't be much need for the forum besides my boring threads:o

Remember rumors can be crushed or substantiated rather quickly by others "in the know". We can choose to believe a rumor or dismiss it or wait to hear more evidence. Keep up the good work!

[KingOfTheCats]

Because of the hectic AAU and test taking schedule, a handful of player visits have been pushed back so expect some of those visits to start happening soon. A lot of players won't commit until they've seen the campus, met all the coaches and some of the players. Rarely you will see guys commit without a visit (i.e. Larry Davis) and there could very well be a commitment before the end of the month.

Everyone has to remember that these players are all still kids so they could have their mind set on committing one day and then wake up the next and change their mind. Also don't underestimate the importance of Yancy Gates declaring for UC and bringing in a quality PG and wing to complement him in the 2008 class.

It's not as if the AAU season snuck up on anybody, so in other words these kids were not as close to committing as claimed.

And 98, so in the first half of April you predicted UC would have a commitment for 08 by the end of May when most kids are making their decision? Wow, that's really going out on a limb. I'll predict UC will have an 08 commitment by the end of September now, go ahead and mark it down. If you're so confident in your "sources" go ahead and spill the name.

[FleXcursion]

Bost to UC? Hmm..

[Bearcat98]

Hey 98 watch it there...do I detect a little sarcasm in your post about my intellectual threads:) Anyhow, I say you keep us up to date on what you are hearing through the grape vine and let some of the more impatient people on the board complain as they will. If all we did here was post a link after a newspaper reported an actual signing of letter of intent there wouldn't be much need for the forum besides my boring threads:o

Remember rumors can be crushed or substantiated rather quickly by others "in the know". We can choose to believe a rumor or dismiss it or wait to hear more evidence. Keep up the good work!

LOL... I like the "dunk and 3" threads, but once the debate runs out, we won't have anything to talk about until football season starts... I vote for Mel Levett and Darnel Burton.... :cool:

[Bearcat98]

It's not as if the AAU season snuck up on anybody, so in other words these kids were not as close to committing as claimed.

And 98, so in the first half of April you predicted UC would have a commitment for 08 by the end of May when most kids are making their decision? Wow, that's really going out on a limb. I'll predict UC will have an 08 commitment by the end of September now, go ahead and mark it down. If you're so confident in your "sources" go ahead and spill the name.

Sure, a family member who used to be in the basketball program and is still around the program, fellow UCATS members (a certain one of which father played for the cats and sits in the front row behind Dan and Chuck), and paysites. I have great interest in the cats and when I hear the same thing come from several places, there is something to it. Sorry for "going out on the limb" to start positive discussions about the future of UC basketball. Your negativity reminds me of why I stopped posting on this board a few years ago. You wouldn't happen to be "Don" would you?

[Bearcat98]

Don't look now guys, but Shaun just posted a new recruiting thread about the Rivals 150 and targets...

[waterhead]

I agree 98...that was the reason for starting the threads that I did in the first place. It was getting boring in here. I will take all the recruiting rumors I can get.

I don't think anyone in this forum is throwing a "kegger" tonight because they heard a rumor in the forum about a possible commit. I say take the recruiting predictions for what they are worth and move on. If they get substantiated by someone else you may want to start to take notice. If you see it in the paper the next day...throw your kegger and give props to those who broke the story.

By the way, don't worry about having nothing to talk about when those threads run out. I'm good for a hundred more of those and I will use them if you have no more recruiting info to give:)

[FleXcursion]

I don't think anyone in this forum is throwing a "kegger" tonight because they heard a rumor in the forum about a possible commit.

hey now, any excuse for a kegger is a good one! :cool:

[levydl]

Bearcats98, keep posting the recruiting rumors you hear. I won't give you flack if you're wrong.

I saw someone "close to the program" recently (you can guess who) and bugged him about recruits for 15 minutes. He was somewhat coy about PG - he said they were still evaluating who they think is the best one of the 4 or 5 they think they have a legit shot to get. I think he just didn't want to give me anything on that front. I did ask him if J'Mison Morgan was locked up with Kansas, to which he replied, with a "what the **** are you talking about" look on his face, "F no!" I also asked about Tony Mitchell. He winked at me and said, "If we want him..."

[Bearcat98]

Bearcats98, keep posting the recruiting rumors you hear. I won't give you flack if you're wrong.

I saw someone "close to the program" recently (you can guess who) and bugged him about recruits for 15 minutes. He was somewhat coy about PG - he said they were still evaluating who they think is the best one of the 4 or 5 they think they have a legit shot to get. I think he just didn't want to give me anything on that front. I did ask him if J'Mison Morgan was locked up with Kansas, to which he replied, with a "what the **** are you talking about" look on his face, "F no!" I also asked about Tony Mitchell. He winked at me and said, "If we want him..."

That all lines up with what I know... except for "going out on a limb" and naming names at each posistion :D.

BTW, I really hope Mick offers Mitchell a scholarship...

[waterhead]

hey now, any excuse for a kegger is a good one! :cool:

Flex...you shouldn't need an excuse for a "kegger". As a matter of fact you should have a "kegorator" at home just in case you hear some good news that day;)

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Because of the hectic AAU and test taking schedule, a handful of player visits have been pushed back so expect some of those visits to start happening soon. A lot of players won't commit until they've seen the campus, met all the coaches and some of the players. Rarely you will see guys commit without a visit (i.e. Larry Davis) and there could very well be a commitment before the end of the month.

Everyone has to remember that these players are all still kids so they could have their mind set on committing one day and then wake up the next and change their mind. Also don't underestimate the importance of Yancy Gates declaring for UC and bringing in a quality PG and wing to complement him in the 2008 class.

I predict I'll find out more about UC recruiting at Bearcat News than I will at pay sites that want $10 a month.

MUCH more. Because $0 per month is my limit.

[ME80]

Sure, a family member who used to be in the basketball program and is still around the program, fellow UCATS members (a certain one of which father played for the cats and sits in the front row behind Dan and Chuck), and paysites. I have great interest in the cats and when I hear the same thing come from several places, there is something to it. Sorry for "going out on the limb" to start positive discussions about the future of UC basketball. Your negativity reminds me of why I stopped posting on this board a few years ago. You wouldn't happen to be "Don" would you?

Keep it up 98, I like any news on this front. I also won't hold you personnally responsible if a couple of the rumors don't pan out ;) There are some of us readers out there that understand that nothing is 100% in this business.

[Aaron]

I'm one who does like hearing updates about possible recruits, but I'm also realistic in knowing their just rumors. There are alot of people on this board who have inside info, but for the most part you can get the same info off of the internet. When it comes to teenagers, believe it or not, they change their mind on a regular basis. I will continue to follow Mike's updates, since, he lists interest levels, but recruiting in general is a wait and see process.

[The real Bearcat Fan]

I like all of the recruiting talk. I would like for all rumors true but I know some rumors are true and some rumors are not. I do not care because I like to hear them. Thank you for the rumors and keep them coming. It makes the off season a lot more interesting. I also believe there is some fact in all rumors.

[Bearcat98]

Well, here are some facts for you guys... (if you'll notice, Mikes "recruiting interest" page has all mentioned the guys below as 4's and a 3 besides Warren who has interest in UC, but does not have a short list of schools yet. Those numbers are accurate. Mike knows what's going on, If scholarships are offered to Bost and Mitchell, those 4's will quickly become 5's.).

Mick's #1 target at PG is Kemba Walker... if he can't get him, Look for Bost to be next in line. Bost has UC #1 on his list.

Mick's #1 SG target is Willie Warren. #2 is Tony Mitchell. Mitchell has UC at the top of his list. Willie Warren and J'Mison Morgan are good friends.

Micks only center target for the time being is J'Mison Morgan (Tony Woods isn't very inerested in UC). Mick is making a hard run at Morgan. Morgan is good friends with Warren so that would be an unbelieveable package deal, but who knows what will really happen. Your guess is as good as mine.

To answer the very first post to this thread, it is widely believed that Bost and Mitchell would both commit on the spot if offered scholarships (Could happen anytime, may never happen if Mick gets his #1 guys at PG and SG)... If Mick can't get Morgan, I believe (my opinion) that the last scholarship will go to a JUCO center that can contribute immediately and free up a second scholarship for the class of 2010. Help balance the scholarship distribution a bit.

So, In summary, We either end up with a top 100 PG, the best shooting guard in the country and a top 50 center (no matter who's raiting lists you look at), Or, all the plan B's happen and we get a top 100 PG, top 50 SG and a solid backup center. The other option (which I prefer to not think about) is that Mick loses Bost or Mitchell while chasing the other guys... I have no idea who the "plan C's" are...

These are not predictions, just where I'm hearing things stand for the time being... Things can change daily, but lets all hope they don't...

[FleXcursion]

I've been hearing Bost is going to be the guy....we'll see.

[bengals21]

I really think Mick should offer Bost and Mitchell because they obviously really want to be Bearcats. I don't know much about Walker. I have heard that Warren really isn't interested in UC and neither is Woods. It is hard to tell what is up with Morgan. Some say their is a good chance of getting him but their haven't been a lot of reports backing that up.

[Mick's Da Man]

Bost to UC.............?

[Bearcat98]

Bost and Mitchell are the rumored "month of May commitments"... It could happen if Mick decides to offer them Scholarships... But If he thinks he can get Warren, he has to take a run at him... Willie Warren can play both PG and SG at a HIGH level...

[waterhead]

I think the guard position should be a smart kid like a QB in football should be. The floor general needs to be able to assess the situation at the end of tight games and distribute the ball accordingly. He needs to know when to slow the game down, who to get the ball to, when to call timeout, etc. Of course the coach helps with those decisions but sometimes you don't have the luxury of asking the coach while you are playing.

I like the fact that Bost wants to come to UC and he is probably a bit higher ranked than Walker depending on the source. In the long run, whoever Mick signs is going to be a player that "wants" to come to UC. I think we should grab the smarter of the two if we have a choice.

Bost is what my heart would say but Walker is what my head would say if those are the two choices. I don't know who is smarter but from what I am hearing it might be Walker. That doesn't mean Bost is not game smart as opposed to book smart but most of the time those two go hand in hand.

[Bearcat98]

It's going to be a fun summer ;). We'll end up with a PG, SG and C, but who it will be will be interesting. I'd love to see Mick lock up a quality PG and SG sooner than later. Then focus solely on the Center posistion. Recruiting the centers will last until the fall signing period at least (in my opinion), maybe until the spring period a year from now.

Mick IS still recruiting Tony Woods so we will see if the Cats can grab his attention. It is still possible, but would be a HUGE indicator of Micks recruiting ability if he can get Woods out of ACC/SEC Country. Doesn't sound very likely. UC is very much the mix for Morgan... If neither sign in the fall period, I expect Mick to be hard on those 2 until both sign somewhere. If neither come to UC, there's a JUCO big man out there for us somewhere.

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

It's going to be a fun summer ;). We'll end up with a PG, SG and C, but who it will be will be interesting. I'd love to see Mick lock up a quality PG and SG sooner than later. Then focus solely on the Center posistion. Recruiting the centers will last until the fall signing period at least (in my opinion), maybe until the spring period a year from now.

Mick IS still recruiting Tony Woods so we will see if the Cats can grab his attention. It is still possible, but would be a HUGE indicator of Micks recruiting ability if he can get Woods out of ACC/SEC Country. Doesn't sound very likely. UC is very much the mix for Morgan... If neither sign in the fall period, I expect Mick to be hard on those 2 until both sign somewhere. If neither come to UC, there's a JUCO big man out there for us somewhere.

I'm just curious as to something Bearcat98, as in your last post you said Tony Woods wasn't that interested in UC. All of a sudden an article comes out indicating UC is on Woods hard and he might take a visit soon and you are saying it is still possible.

It appears as if your information is coming from one of the paysites.

[Bearcat98]

I'm just curious as to something Bearcat98, as in your last post you said Tony Woods wasn't that interested in UC. All of a sudden an article comes out indicating UC is on Woods hard and he might take a visit soon and you are saying it is still possible.

It appears as if your information is coming from one of the paysites.

As I stated earlier in the thread about sources:

Sure, a family member who used to be in the basketball program and is still around the program, fellow UCATS members (a certain one of which father played for the cats and sits in the front row behind Dan and Chuck), and paysites.

So, yes, I do read paysites as stated already.

I did say above that Woods isn't very interested in UC. He still isn't and I stand by that, UC's still much farther along with Morgan, but today's article is the second place i've heard that about a potential Woods visit. I don't mention things unless I hear them from more than one place. If I hear them from more than one place, I start to think there may be something to them. I'm actually shocked that it came out where you saw it because I thought the guy I heard that from was blowing smoke when I heard it earlier in the week.

Go back and read the article again by the way. UC has always been on him hard, hopefully Coach Davis can spark his interest. Many (including myself) don't think so. Would be a HUGE recruiting coup by Mick and Coach Davis. As large as actually landing Willie Warren IMHO.

So, yes, Woods is still a possibility (I don't think I ever ruled him out), but i'm not holding my breath and you shouldn't either (might be bad for your health). UC appears to have made enough of an impression to possibly get a visit, but I won't get too excited until friends "who know more than I do" get excited. Still not gettign much confidence in his "interest" in UC from those guys.

As I said earlier, it's shaping up to be a fun summer :D. Getting Woods on campus to visit will be great. Kudos to Mick and the staff if it actually happens...

[Kindog202]

What are our chances with Darius Miller, Mike has his interest level listed as a "4", yet I have not heard too much pertaining to him.

Also, Bearcat 98, you mentioned in an earlier post that Willie Warren can play both guard positions at a high level. Hypothetically (at this point), if Warren were to come to UC, is Walker, Bost or any other PG necessary then. Or could we see the last 3 scholly's go to Warren, Mitchell and Morgan? I really would like to see a scholly go to Mitchell since he seems to be rising up the rankings.

Finally, with Wilks ranking at #42 right now, it seems like he may be the most likely choice to be a MCDAA. Do you guys see his stock rising high enough to warrant consideration for the game?

[Bearcat98]

What are our chances with Darius Miller, Mike has his interest level listed as a "4", yet I have not heard too much pertaining to him.

Also, Bearcat 98, you mentioned in an earlier post that Willie Warren can play both guard positions at a high level. Hypothetically (at this point), if Warren were to come to UC, is Walker, Bost or any other PG necessary then. Or could we see the last 3 scholly's go to Warren, Mitchell and Morgan? I really would like to see a scholly go to Mitchell since he seems to be rising up the rankings.

Finally, with Wilks ranking at #42 right now, it seems like he may be the most likely choice to be a MCDAA. Do you guys see his stock rising high enough to warrant consideration for the game?


I really haven't heard much about Miller so I don't think UC's chances are great. I'm not positive thoguh.. I'm just not hearing much buzz about his interest. Warren's Natural posistion is SG, but he'll play some PG in college wherever he ends up. I'll compare him to Deonte Vaugn. He has PG skills, but he's a better SG. He's not a "pure pointguard". Someone posted above that Mick needs to get a total floor general. I agree withthat statement and I think he'll still go after a pure PG if he somehow gets Warren.

I know nothing about the rating systems and how the McDonalds guys are chosen...

I want to go back to my post above as well while I have a moment and state something more clearly. "Iknowmorethanyou" posted some fcts that came from a "paysite" article above. I read the same article that "Iknowmorethanyou" did, but that article contradicts what I have been hearing. It's nice knowing from a couple of places that Mick is rectuiting Woods hard, but the people that I talk to that are moreoften right than not have said that it's a long shot that he'll actually visit campus and a longershot that he could end up at UC, but it's still possible. I hope my guys are wrong and the "paysite" is right.

There is buzz about the possibility of Woods visiting though, no doubt about that. We will see if it actually happens.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

What are our chances with Darius Miller, Mike has his interest level listed as a "4", yet I have not heard too much pertaining to him.

Also, Bearcat 98, you mentioned in an earlier post that Willie Warren can play both guard positions at a high level. Hypothetically (at this point), if Warren were to come to UC, is Walker, Bost or any other PG necessary then. Or could we see the last 3 scholly's go to Warren, Mitchell and Morgan? I really would like to see a scholly go to Mitchell since he seems to be rising up the rankings.

Finally, with Wilks ranking at #42 right now, it seems like he may be the most likely choice to be a MCDAA. Do you guys see his stock rising high enough to warrant consideration for the game?

The McDonalds A-A of 2008 could be anyone currently in the Top 100 or better range. It's WAY too early to predict the 24 players chosen.

Kenyon Martin and Jason Maxiell were rated Top 50 or so and made neither McDonalds nor Parade A-A teams.

I think you can see there are some flaws in naming HS A-A teams.

[waterhead]

There is buzz about the possibility of Woods visiting though, no doubt about that. We will see if it actually happens.

I think the fact that Mick is making a hard run at some guys might be a last minute effort to land better talent before he has to offer his high interest level guys. He knows he has some guys that would commit if offered so why not do some last minute fishing in hopes of catching the big one(s).

As we know, the big one usually gets away but you will never land him if you don't try. A package deal with Woods and Warren would qualify as "THE BIG ONE" but it may just be some last minute fishing and not much to get excited about. Mick has done a great job however, so I have faith that if it's possible he is one who could make it happen. GO GET EM MICK!

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

Since the proverbial cat is out of the bag I have known for quite a while that Tony Woods was planning on visiting from my own sources, none of whom are UCATS members or from paysite articles. Not trying to start a ruckus but it just appeared as if you were contradicting yourself. Tony has always had Florida out in front but I put nothing past Mick if he's able to get a recruit on campus and he's been on Tony for a long time as opposed to playing catchup with the 2007 class when he first took the job.

Comparing Willie to Deonta has some legs but Willie is quite a bit taller at 6-4 and though also a streaky shooter he is better defensively and has shown over the last year improvements in his all around game. UC is still very much in the mix for Willie and Tony Woods and from Mick's own words, to land 5 or 6 players you need to recruit 20 pretty hard. If you do enough digging and research you can find 20 UC targets in the class of 2008, not counting the two early verbals.

[waterhead]

I'll compare him to Deonte Vaugn. He has PG skills, but he's a better SG. He's not a "pure pointguard". Someone posted above that Mick needs to get a total floor general. I agree withthat statement and I think he'll still go after a pure PG if he somehow gets Warren.


I'm just curious here. I live in Atlanta so I didn't get to see much Bearcat basketball on TV last year:( Most people in here seem to think Vaughn's position is best at SG but Mick has said after landing some shooters in the 07' class that Vaughn can now move back to his natural position of PG.

Can someone fill me in on how we recruited Vaughn and what his real natural position is or should be. He seems a bit short for SG not that you have to have a lot of height at that position but it does help to be able to shoot over your defender's reach.

It seems to me that he fits in a lot better at PG because we have none and because even if we get one in 08' we still only have two. Mick has brought in two SG's and two WF's in the 07' class so I think Vaughn gets lost in the mix at SG. If PG is actually not his natural position I think he should learn it fast. If we get another SG/WF in 08' I really think Vaughn has to stay at PG or he will be fighting for playing time. Even if he gets beat out a PG in a year or two he still gets playing time at that position as backup.

[IKnowMoreThanYou]

I'm just curious here. I live in Atlanta so I didn't get to see much Bearcat basketball on TV last year:( Most people in here seem to think Vaughn's position is best at SG but Mick has said after landing some shooters in the 07' class that Vaughn can now move back to his natural position of PG.

Can someone fill me in on how we recruited Vaughn and what his real natural position is or should be. He seems a bit short for SG not that you have to have a lot of height at that position but it does help to be able to shoot over your defender's reach.

It seems to me that he fits in a lot better at PG because we have none and because even if we get one in 08' we still only have two. Mick has brought in two SG's and two WF's in the 07' class so I think Vaughn gets lost in the mix at SG. If PG is actually not his natural position I think he should learn it fast. If we get another SG/WF in 08' I really think Vaughn has to stay at PG or he will be fighting for playing time. Even if he gets beat out a PG in a year or two he still gets playing time at that position as backup.

Vaughn has always been a PG and played SG last year out of necessity. He is comparable to Steve Logan, who started his career as a PG, became a SG when Satt ran the point and moved back to PG as a senior. He played PG in high school and in his prep year at Harmony Christian. Logically he is a better fit at PG due to his height, his passing ability and being able to create his own shot as well as being a 3 point threat. He brings a lot of qualities you want in a PG including toughness and having played so many minutes as a freshman he should take a step forward this year while being relied on less to take 15 or more shots a game.

Provided he can be more efficient shooting he should also be fresher if he starts at PG and Jamual Warren backs him up. I think Mick's goal was to surround Deonta with scorers and also wing players who can dribble the ball up on occassion and initiate the offense.

[waterhead]

Vaughn has always been a PG and played SG last year out of necessity. He is comparable to Steve Logan, who started his career as a PG, became a SG when Satt ran the point and moved back to PG as a senior. He played PG in high school and in his prep year at Harmony Christian. Logically he is a better fit at PG due to his height, his passing ability and being able to create his own shot as well as being a 3 point threat. He brings a lot of qualities you want in a PG including toughness and having played so many minutes as a freshman he should take a step forward this year while being relied on less to take 15 or more shots a game.

Provided he can be more efficient shooting he should also be fresher if he starts at PG and Jamual Warren backs him up. I think Mick's goal was to surround Deonta with scorers and also wing players who can dribble the ball up on occassion and initiate the offense.

I thought this was the case Iknow. I really like the idea of having a shooting PG. When we have had that in the past it has worked out really well for us. It adds a complete new dimension to the offense. With the possible exception of Satterfield we have struggled a bit without a shooting PG.

[Bearcat98]

Since the proverbial cat is out of the bag I have known for quite a while that Tony Woods was planning on visiting from my own sources, none of whom are UCATS members or from paysite articles. Not trying to start a ruckus but it just appeared as if you were contradicting yourself. Tony has always had Florida out in front but I put nothing past Mick if he's able to get a recruit on campus and he's been on Tony for a long time as opposed to playing catchup with the 2007 class when he first took the job.

Comparing Willie to Deonta has some legs but Willie is quite a bit taller at 6-4 and though also a streaky shooter he is better defensively and has shown over the last year improvements in his all around game. UC is still very much in the mix for Willie and Tony Woods and from Mick's own words, to land 5 or 6 players you need to recruit 20 pretty hard. If you do enough digging and research you can find 20 UC targets in the class of 2008, not counting the two early verbals.

I put nothing past Mick at this point either... I just haven't heard anyting about Woods giving UC the time of day, then heard about the potential visit from 2 places in 1 week... So, I hope you are right and we at least get him on campus... Mick has already shown me that he is capable of big things with recruiting. I hope he is also capable of the unimaginable...

[Mick's Da Man]

Don't know how much there is to it, but a buddy of mine has some insider contacts and said Mick and his assistants are making some serious strides with the top guys. Mick even gave a smidgeon of a hint about that in Dan Hoard's column where he said he was just getting "warmed up". Don't want to read too much into that, but my buddy said there's more to that little comment than meets the eye.

I sure hope so. We all know how hard Mick recruits. He has amazed me so far. So never say never.