Zimpher through 2012

[Bryan]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/NEWS01/303270027

I hate to be negative, I want to support my University and the Athletics program, but I just can't justify giving any money under the current leadership. And frankly this goes beyond just the Athletics issue.

I am really struggling to keep an open mind. I want to be able to be convinced she is doing good things for my University. I would like to think I could put behind the mistakes (or at least what I perceive as mistakes) of the past, but so far I am not hearing anything that would change my mind... :(

I guess my major point is I think there are alumni out there that are willing to change their mind, I just don't see that the administration really cares. There is an arrogance they project (at least to some of us) that is anathema to feeling connected to our University, and desiring to support it financially again.

[colucat]

Aside from the Huggs issues it seems most people have a hard time dealing with change. Every organization goes through change at some time. There are many cases where change is good. I think UC overall probably needed some change. Many comments have been made about the departure of long term employees. It is true that there have been great individuals associated with UC who where loyal and dedicated to UC. Some are still there but in different capacities.

Change at UC is similiar to the change here at bearcatnews, it was time. Hopefully it will all work to make UC a better place in all aspects.

[Bruce Monnin]

I am hopeful UC will become a better place once some more change occurs at the President and Board levels.

[Bartman]

Amen Bruce.

[shaunsimpson]

Take sports out of it. Has she done a good job?

[jon b]

As I stated previously (on the email forum), I'd give her a B-. I know she is stepping on more toes and such and that the biggest news to come out of the BoT meeting was not her extension, but that is the easiest thing for the "layperson" to grasp onto.

We only know what the enquirer reports unless you look at the minutes or attend the meetings. So my assignment, should you be willing to accept it, what decisions were made regarding the endowment? It is my opinion that this at the least partly dwarfs the extension news.

[richard k.]

Jon - I'd love to know what your thoughts are with respect to the BofT's meeting, because unlike some others who are interested only in the basketball program, this is "my" university. However, if it is non-sports related is this the appropriate place?

[jon b]

Richard, yes it is. The general forum is the place to talk about UC. I'd rather someone else dig and I can make comments as I see fit, but because of my position, I do not want to lead people one way or the other.

[Bruce Monnin]

I have a relative who works for a contracting firm that was working on some stuff south of campus.

Lets just say that firm will never again do business with the University of Cincinnati as long as the current administration stays in place.

[nachoman91]

Take sports out of it. Has she done a good job?

In my opinoin the answer to this is NO.

[lieberma]

The Zimpher administration lacks the vision and creativity of previous administrations. After four years in office she is still struggling with the budget, and blaming the previous administration - and yet she jettiisoned the previous administrations financial plan, and doesn't know how to make her own. She blames the previous administration for the cost of upgrading facilities, but then takes credit for improving enrollment (which, of course, is tied to better facilities). The UC:21 program is a series of statements whose progress cannot be measured. The academic plan is not truly a plan, and has not been implemented, because it is difficult to understand what is supposed to be implemented.

The continued budget cuts have seriously weakened the administration, and the academics. Classes are being cut during the summer session due to a lack of funds to pay the instructors. The creation of a cohesive distance learning program (the new frontier for Universities) is on hold due to a lack of funds. Human resources cannot keep up with the questions and needs of University employees. The morale of non-represented staff is poor - they were the only group on campus last year not to get a raise, and they also had their benefits reduced (easy to do when not represented by a union). There are rumors that this will occur again next year. When the morale of support staff is poor, services suffer.

So, I don't believe she has done a good job, and it really has nothing to do with the Huggins situation. She just isn't ready to deal with a research I institution after her stint in Milwaukee, and neither is her sidekick, Monica.

[Catmandu]

The Zimpher administration lacks the vision and creativity of previous administrations. After four years in office she is still struggling with the budget, and blaming the previous administration - and yet she jettiisoned the previous administrations financial plan, and doesn't know how to make her own. She blames the previous administration for the cost of upgrading facilities, but then takes credit for improving enrollment (which, of course, is tied to better facilities). The UC:21 program is a series of statements whose progress cannot be measured. The academic plan is not truly a plan, and has not been implemented, because it is difficult to understand what is supposed to be implemented.

The continued budget cuts have seriously weakened the administration, and the academics. Classes are being cut during the summer session due to a lack of funds to pay the instructors. The creation of a cohesive distance learning program (the new frontier for Universities) is on hold due to a lack of funds. Human resources cannot keep up with the questions and needs of University employees. The morale of non-represented staff is poor - they were the only group on campus last year not to get a raise, and they also had their benefits reduced (easy to do when not represented by a union). There are rumors that this will occur again next year. When the morale of support staff is poor, services suffer.

So, I don't believe she has done a good job, and it really has nothing to do with the Huggins situation. She just isn't ready to deal with a research I institution after her stint in Milwaukee, and neither is her sidekick, Monica.

Wow... and you would know. That's scarier than I thought.

[richard k.]

I'm not arguing with anything you've said (I'm in no position to know, pro or con) but then what is it that so fascinates the Board? Are the big donors giving even more? Someone said that revenue from foundations, government grants, etc., was up markedly - is that true? I believe that I've made it plain that what I do know of her I don't particularly like, even putting aside the whole Huggins kerfuffle, but the Board seems enamored of her for some reason.

[Texcat]

I'll have another comment on giving money to UC shortly. In the meantime, do any of you know if the Dr. Charles Steger, President of Virginia Tech is related to our own Dr. Joe Steger?

Bruce

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Richard, yes it is. The general forum is the place to talk about UC. I'd rather someone else dig and I can make comments as I see fit, but because of my position, I do not want to lead people one way or the other.

http://www.uc.edu/trustees/documents/Trustees_Minutes/SU032707.pdf

Item B1. Withdrawal of $100 million from endowment funds for $ liquidity.

[jon b]

ding ding ding! We have a winner!

So take this in conjunction with lieberma's thoughts, and I probably have to lower her grade to a C. The next 1-2 years will be very telling.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

ding ding ding! We have a winner!

So take this in conjunction with lieberma's thoughts, and I probably have to lower her grade to a C. The next 1-2 years will be very telling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgoOihBb78w Video taken at UC's BOT meeting of 3/27/2007.

[Big B]

That is hilarious!!!!!

[MikeInClifton]

On a related note . . . . . (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070421/NEWS02/704210354/-1/ENT06)

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

On a related note . . . . . (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070421/NEWS02/704210354/-1/ENT06)

"The NCAA had put Cincinnati on two years probation and taken away three scholarships for what it said was a lack of institutional control."

Yeah, back in 1988 under Tony Yates. Nice journalism.

[mlb]

UC continually calls up asking for money from both my wife and I. Every time I tell them that I'll give money as soon as Nancy Zimpher is no longer the President of UC. They say "thank you" and hang up. No argument, they just move on. I think it is hilarious.

[jkwuc89]

I believe "lack of institutional control" was cited when UC was put on probation during Huggins' tenure.

[ralph1950]

Do not buy a recruit a new suit at Steinberg's Clothing in Norwood.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I believe "lack of institutional control" was cited when UC was put on probation during Huggins' tenure.

Yes. But no loss of scholarships. That was the Yates era sanctions.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; annual reports; maximum of 11 grants in basketball for 1989-90 and 12 for 1990-91. Postseason ban for basketball. And recertification.

Involved Sports:

Men's Basketball

Involved Penalties:
TV: 0 yrs Reduction in Financial Aid: Yes
Postseason: 1 yrs Recruiting: No
Probation: 3 yrs Show Cause Action: No

[ralph1950]

Huggins sanctions included not being able to recruit JUCO's for 2 years, therefore, Danny Sheldon goes to Tulsa instead of UC where he wanted to go but could not, Danny Sheldon helps Tulsa beat UC in 2nd round of 2000 NCAA Tourney when he could have been helping UC beat Tulsa.

[MikeInClifton]

Huggins sanctions included not being able to recruit JUCO's for 2 years, therefore, Danny Sheldon goes to Tulsa instead of UC where he wanted to go but could not, Danny Sheldon helps Tulsa beat UC in 2nd round of 2000 NCAA Tourney when he could have been helping UC beat Tulsa.

Tulsa has never had a player named Danny Sheldon.

[Kindog202]

Figured your trying to be sarcastic Mike being a Lancer alum like myself, but for others who may not know, the player Ralph is talking about is David Shelton. He was a year behind me at LaSalle High and then transfered to West High. Had a lot of issues at LaSalle which led to his transfer but was a tremendous all-around athlete. Word was his twin brother Darnell was the better of the two but was never eligible to compete at the high school level.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Huggins sanctions included not being able to recruit JUCO's for 2 years, therefore, Danny Sheldon goes to Tulsa instead of UC where he wanted to go but could not, Danny Sheldon helps Tulsa beat UC in 2nd round of 2000 NCAA Tourney when he could have been helping UC beat Tulsa.

1 year (JuCo restriction). It coincided with the 1999 recruiting class - DerMarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfield, Leonard Stokes, and BJ Grove. We did OK in that tradeoff.

[ralph1950]

Then Danny Shelton, anyway he played for West Hi in Cincinnati, did not qualify academically, went to JUCO, was supposed to come to UC after JUCO, Huggins got sanctioned by the NCAA probation for Charles Williams incident and could not take Shelton (or what ever his last was) or any other JUCO. Shelton goes to Tulsa, K-Mart breaks ankle, UC gets Tulsa in 2nd round and losses as Shelton leads Tulsa to win. If UC had Shelton most probable could have got to Elite 8 without Kenyon.

Tulsa has never had a player named Danny Sheldon.

[ralph1950]

Danny scored 14 points and had 7 rebounds in 25 minutes as Tulsa beat the Bearcats 69-61. He certainly would have looked good in a Beatcat uniform that day.

Shelton 14 0 7 4-10 4-6 3 25

[cpawfan]

Then Danny Shelton, anyway he played for West Hi in Cincinnati, did not qualify academically, went to JUCO, was supposed to come to UC after JUCO, Huggins got sanctioned by the NCAA probation for Charles Williams incident and could not take Shelton (or what ever his last was) or any other JUCO. Shelton goes to Tulsa, K-Mart breaks ankle, UC gets Tulsa in 2nd round and losses as Shelton leads Tulsa to win. If UC had Shelton most probable could have got to Elite 8 without Kenyon.

So your theory is that a player that went to Tulsa to be a starter when Tulsa had a very good recruiter as a head coach would be happy being a bench player with limited minutes at UC.

That makes as much sense as saying if UC had kept McGee they would have made the Elite 8

[MikeInClifton]

Then Danny Shelton, anyway he played for West Hi in Cincinnati, did not qualify academically, went to JUCO, was supposed to come to UC after JUCO, Huggins got sanctioned by the NCAA probation for Charles Williams incident and could not take Shelton (or what ever his last was) or any other JUCO. Shelton goes to Tulsa, K-Mart breaks ankle, UC gets Tulsa in 2nd round and losses as Shelton leads Tulsa to win. If UC had Shelton most probable could have got to Elite 8 without Kenyon.

So lets say that Huggs wasnt sanctioned. Which guard/forward would Shelton have displaced in the recruiting class that Tom mentioned? DerMarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfield or Leonard Stokes?

[ralph1950]

It makes no matter as to who he would have replaced. If you go back to articles written at the time of the Tulsa / UC game you will find quotes form Huggins himself about being miffed that he could not take Shelton because of the no JUCO sanction. Just about everyone knew Shelton was coming to UC until the NCAA probation happened. It was Huggins who got him placed in the JUCO he attended.

So lets say that Huggs wasnt sanctioned. Which guard/forward would Shelton have displaced in the recruiting class that Tom mentioned? DerMarr Johnson, Kenny Satterfield or Leonard Stokes?

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

It makes no matter as to who he would have replaced. If you go back to articles written at the time of the Tulsa / UC game you will find quotes form Huggins himself about being miffed that he could not take Shelton because of the no JUCO sanction. Just about everyone knew Shelton was coming to UC until the NCAA probation happened. It was Huggins who got him placed in the JUCO he attended.

The 4 signed by UC in 1999 were better than Shelton. The 2000 UC lineup was loaded in the frontcourt. In injury to Martin caused the L, not the inability to land a JuCo recruit.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Then Danny Shelton, anyway he played for West Hi in Cincinnati, did not qualify academically, went to JUCO, was supposed to come to UC after JUCO, Huggins got sanctioned by the NCAA probation for Charles Williams incident and could not take Shelton (or what ever his last was) or any other JUCO. Shelton goes to Tulsa, K-Mart breaks ankle, UC gets Tulsa in 2nd round and losses as Shelton leads Tulsa to win. If UC had Shelton most probable could have got to Elite 8 without Kenyon.

Actually UC got sanctioned due to Loyer's inappropriate actions, not Huggs.

Huggs took the rap but it was Loyer who committed the (minor) violations.

[ralph1950]

None of the 4 signed recruits did squat in the Tulsa game, Dermarr Johnson may as well have been on the bench the entire game. Danny Shelton scored 14 points and had 7 rebounds in 25 minutes against that loaded frontcourt. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we set out to deceive.

The 4 signed by UC in 1999 were better than Shelton. The 2000 UC lineup was loaded in the frontcourt. In injury to Martin caused the L, not the inability to land a JuCo recruit.

[ralph1950]

Ha, Ha, Ha, it was Loyer who took the wrap, Huggins told Loyer what to do and when to do it.

Actually UC got sanctioned due to Loyer's inappropriate actions, not Huggs.

Huggs took the rap but it was Loyer who committed the (minor) violations.

[jon b]

None of the 4 signed recruits did squat in the Tulsa game, Dermarr Johnson may as well have been on the bench the entire game. Danny Shelton scored 14 points and had 7 rebounds in 25 minutes against that loaded frontcourt. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we set out to deceive.


Hi Pot!

Love, Kettle

:D

[cpawfan]

Please find Danny Shelton on this box score

http://bearcatnews.com/bearcats/basketball/archives/boxscore.php?ID=2190

[bearcatmark]

None of the 4 signed recruits did squat in the Tulsa game, Dermarr Johnson may as well have been on the bench the entire game. Danny Shelton scored 14 points and had 7 rebounds in 25 minutes against that loaded frontcourt. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we set out to deceive.

Wait are you seriously trying to equate the value of UC's recruits to one game????


Dermarr gave UC a great year..and had Kenyon been healthy would have been a key role player in their run. Satterfield actually had 10 points and 5 assists against Tulsa.... But besides that he gave us a true PG to get the offense set...one of the reason we were so effective all year.

Stokes like many frosh was not much his first year...but developed into a damn fine player. He and Lo were really the only two offensive threats on a team that earned a 1 seed in the NCAA tourney. Think back to that team... what they accomplished was incredible...to bad they drew an incredibly talented UCLA team in the second round and got beat in double OT in what really was a magnificently played basketball game.

You are ridiculous and just going out of your way to rip on everything from that Huggins era.

you also said "Ha, Ha, Ha, it was Loyer who took the wrap, Huggins told Loyer what to do and when to do it."

Where is your proof of this? The NCAA and others found otherwise. You are being blatantly libelous of Coach Huggins without producing any information. That is disgraceful.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Ha, Ha, Ha, it was Loyer who took the wrap, Huggins told Loyer what to do and when to do it.

The correct word would be Rap. (A Wrap is a sandwich)

Loyer was cited by the NCAA in their report. He was not allowed to take another coaching job as a result.

[Catmandu]

Hi Pot!

Love, Kettle

:D

Will you all please stop qouting the Ralph1950 guy or whatever his name is, your really ruining my ignore status I have on him by forcing me to read that stuff in your messages.

Is there anyone more off base?