Florida State game thread

[Thewhiteboy]

Roster

No.- Player- Pos- Ht- Wt- Yr- (Exp)

32- Alabi, Solomon- C- 7-1- 241- Fr- (1V)
24- Bolton, Jordan- G- 6-5- 215- So- (1V)
2- DeMercy, Jordan- F- 6-7- 208- So- (1V)
23- Douglas, Toney- G- 6-2- 205- Sr- (4V)
4- Dulkys, Deividas- G- 6-5- 195- Fr- (HS)
41- Echefu, Uche- F- 6-9- 225- Sr- (3V)
1- Gibson, Xavier- F-C- 6-11- 225- Fr- (HS)
21- Hoff, Brian- G- 6-6- 197- Sr- (3V)
0- Jordan, Pierre- G- 6-0- 160- Fr- (HS)
22- Kitchen, Derwin- G- 6-4- 197- So- (3V)
3- Loucks, Luke- G- 6-5- 205- Fr- (HS)
5- O'Donnell, Ben- G- 5-9- 171- So- (1V)
42- Reid, Ryan- F- 6-8- 235- Jr- (3V)
31- Singleton, Chris- F- 6-9- 220- Fr- (HS)

[gocats45]

I can't wait to see Biggie get some minutes against the big guy. It'll be interesting to see how he does.

[buckyccc]

Anyone know if there will be an online link for the game? Maybe channelsurfing.net?

[Kindog202]

Don't see it listed on channelsurfing and from other people posting appears only way to see the game is to have a ticket. Will need 700 tonight.

[swilsonsp4]

If you're out of WLW's broadcast range, you have two other options:

1. www.700wlw.com has live streaming.

2. XM Radio, channel 173 is WLW.

[jlr1523]

2 point favorites. Go Cats.

[BigDaddyCornHusker]

2 point favorites? I'll be impressed with a win.

[Thegreatone]

Florida State fans are not too confident that they can win, I hope they are right. We can go 2-0 but I am OK with 1-1

[slimm]

win or lose, i just want continued improvement from each player, hard core defense, good offensive movement, make free throws, great effort & hustle and play together as a team! i want 2-0 , i will accept 0-2 if we get beat by a better team that just out played us in a great game. they just have to keep improving going into the big east.

[jeffto]

win or lose, i just want continued improvement from each player, hard core defense, good offensive movement, make free throws, great effort & hustle and play together as a team! i want 2-0 , i will accept 0-2 if we get beat by a better team that just out played us in a great game. they just have to keep improving going into the big east.Improvement was last year's mantra. I want wins - at least one.

[slimm]

Improvement was last year's mantra. I want wins - at least one.

im just saying we are not going undefeated....i want wins too, but win while playing like crap and not learning or improving will lead to some big disappointments later on.

[misterfresh]

Florida State LOVES turning the ball over.

They average over 16 a game and have only two players with a better than 1-to-1 assist to turnover ratio and are 61/81 as a team. Considering the competition they have played, thats quite bad.


18 vs Jacksonville
18 vs LaSalle
17 vs Stetson


They also average over 20 fouls a game...

So the Cats need to keep pressuring the ball as they have, for the most part, this season.

Making free throws will also be key. They have to improve upon their 59% shooting at the line.

UC 74
FSU 66

[Corporateballa]

Improvement was last year's mantra. I want wins - at least one.

Amen! Yada, yada...25 characters :-)

[Kindog202]

Cal beat UNLV earlier 73-55 so if we win, we get Cal, lose and we get UNLV.

[Kindog202]

'Cats up 15-7, Williams has 6...

[Corporateballa]

Bearscats up 15-7...NCST has a 7'1" kid

[Corporateballa]

Cincinnati has an 8-1 rebounding advantage.

[SLMadiCat]

Been getting sloppy.......

[Bearcat Jeff]

Cats 15-10 at first tv timeout

[Kindog202]

Yep, turnover now 15-13...

[the_one_32]

when the **** is rashad bishop gonna learn... YOU CANT HIT THE BROAD SIDE OF THE BARN FROM 3 POINT RANGE... im tired of hearing bishop from 3, barely hits iron.... and leave Yancy and Mike in the game

[SLMadiCat]

UC's shooters aren't even coming close.

[the_one_32]

are u watching the game?... im listening to it and it sounds bad

[Corporateballa]

One point in the last 7 minutes...we need a PG, really struggling to score. Larry Davis just his a floater.

[the_one_32]

i hope the rumors are right and cashmere will be ready in january

[SLMadiCat]

i hope the rumors are right and cashmere will be ready in january

The rumors are false.

They will get better. Not having a true point will always hurt them but they'll figure it out eventually.

[the_one_32]

we need another PG for next year as well... Cashmere needs a true backup... If Mick was smart we would tell Kenny Belton to transfer and go after a PG in the 2009 class

[Corporateballa]

Deonta, 8 points and 4 TOs.

[ucmba2002]

sounds like cats playing very uninspired basketball...need a good talk from Mick at half

[SLMadiCat]

Mike Williams started off with 6 quick points and was never heard from again. The guards have to do a better job of getting into the lane and not settling for outside shots.

[Bearcat Jeff]

This is the reason I wanted Ward instead of Dixon

[bearcat1518]

It's killing me why we keep signing sub-par 3's. Someone needs to be able to create besides Vaughn and someone needs to be able to get it to Yancy and Mike. Hopefully Kilpatrick is better than Davis, Mitchell, Wilks, Bishop and Dixon because somone needs to step up on the wing...and we have so many at this position already.

[Irishbearcat]

Nice shot by Vaughn! That was huge.

[SLMadiCat]

There is a foul against UC every time down the court.

[SLMadiCat]

3 times down the court, 3 fouls

[Bearcat Jeff]

Every sport requires you to be strong in the middle. In hoops that includes a penetrating pg.

[bearcattg]

This is going to be a long year on the road for the Cats. They are going to struggle all year long away from the Shoe. Incredibly frustrating.

[Irishbearcat]

Gotta rebound, protect the ball......basics!

[SLMadiCat]

Hard to say without being able to see the game but Williams' foul trouble is hurting them.

[Bearcat Jeff]

4 offensive rebounds to start the half.

[Irishbearcat]

This game sucks. I'm glad it's not on tv. I hate to watch my team play poorly.

[SLMadiCat]

How can Mitchell barely hit the rim on FT's? Sit his arse on the bench until he figures it out. He's also a guard who can't dribble or pass. It's bad enough when your PG is out, you can't afford to have a SG who can't handle the ball.

[bearcattg]

Turnovers, terrible shooting, no offensive rebounding, no defensive rebounding. If FSU didn't stink they would be down 25. Trust me when I say that FSU will not be good this season, yet they are smacking the Cats.

[SLMadiCat]

Unbelievable. Can't pass, can't rebound. Doesn't sound like there is effort.

[ucmba2002]

agreed bearcattg...no way we should be down double digits to this FSU team. Doesn't sound like Mick has the team fired up. Why are we playing in this dumb tournament anyway?

[bearcat1518]

Alvin Mitchell
1-5 Shooting. 0-3 Free Throws. And this is supposed to be our shooting guard/Small forward scorer??? Pathetic.

[Bearcat Jeff]

This game will be good for them. It will teach tem that effort has to always be there.

[Billy Don]

This game sucks. I'm glad it's not on tv. I hate to watch my team play poorly.

If you watch them play Charleston Southern on TV you will be alright. UC will play good then.

[Bearcat Jeff]

FSU has 12 offensive rebounds and are ourebounding the cats by 10

[SLMadiCat]

The effort was there early on but they called called for too many fouls and it completely slowed the game down and took M. Williams out of the game.

Need some guards that can do more than be a spot up shooter. LD has done decent tonight, but Mitchell and Bishop need to come off the bench. They just aren't good enough.

[bearcat1518]

This game will be good for them. It will teach tem that effort has to always be there.

I'm more worried about talent being there.

Every SG or SF on this team is garbage. (Excluding Vaughn...who is our acting PG right now).

[Irishbearcat]

I thought Dixon could shoot? Where's he at tonite?

[Bearcats_Rule]

I'm more worried about talent being there.

Every SG or SF on this team is garbage. (Excluding Vaughn...who is our acting PG right now).

Garbage? These kids are young and this is the first big game of the year away from home...

[Bearcat Jeff]

Agreed, with a young team you will have nights like this. It'll get better.

[Matt1982]

Can someone tell me why the game is off and the stupid truckin' bozo is on now? There is still 7 minutes to go!!

[ucmba2002]

what is up with 700 wlw feed ..cats down by 7 with 7 mins to play

[Bearcat Jeff]

if they could hit a FT it would be tight.

[SLMadiCat]

700 wlw feed switched to some dude talking politics.

[Irishbearcat]

Yeah, the feed is lost apparently.

No wonder why this guy is on at friday nite. He puts people to sleep better than the late nite girl (Tissue time with Heidi?) on Stern.
He'd be better off reading a dictionary.

[TmacGoCats]

FSU feed:

http://sportsradio1470.com/whbo2.asx

[the_one_32]

THANKS FSNOHIO for not picking this game up (sarcasm) now the radio feed is cut out to some clown talkin politics

[Cat's Meow]

Anybody else listening to 700wlw.com?

Broadcast switched over to a news brief promptly at 12 midnight with plenty of game still to go...what gives?

[Kindog202]

I'm still getting the game through 700. 'Cats are down by 7 46-39. Playing harder but can't make a shot but neither can FSU.

[TmacGoCats]

again:

FSU feed:

http://sportsradio1470.com/whbo2.asx

[bearcattg]

This is the worst offensive showing I can remember with the Cats. Absolutely horrendous.

[Bearcat Jeff]

We are taking all outside jumpers, no inside scoring at all.

[UCamry]

Anybody else listening to 700wlw.com?

Broadcast switched over to a news brief promptly at 12 midnight with plenty of game still to go...what gives?

Yes, I am listening to 700wlw, and I'd rather throw up than listen to this garbage....every shot we take sounds like an airball on the radio!

F' THIS!

[bearcat1518]

Agreed, with a young team you will have nights like this. It'll get better.

I'm tired of this excuse. They quite frankly just aren't good enough. They aren't fast, can't shoot very well, can't make free throws, can't handle the ball, can't slash, don't play very good D, can't stroke 3's...at least do 1 thing good or all decent...

Damon Flint, Darnell Burton, Steve Logan, Kenny Satterfield, Kenyon Martin, Dontonio Wingfield, Danny Fortson, Lenny Stokes, etc. all contributed big time in their freshmen or sophmore years.

Ruben Patterson, Pete Mikeal, I-Mac, Jamaal Davis, D'Juan Baker, James White, Eric Hicks, Corie Blount, etc. etc. all contributed big time in their first year in Div. 1 basketball.

[Bearcats_Rule]

From gobearcats.com

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=uc&o=cal_stamp&sd=today

[SLMadiCat]

Mitchell shoots every time down the court. He wouldn't know a good pass if it hit him in the face.

[bearcattg]

I can't take another season of this garbage. This is disgusting. Absolutely abysmal. I literally have seen better offensive production from grade school basketball team. I don't care if they are young, I don't care if they are on the road. Airballs and near airballs on nearly every shot is just not acceptable.

[bearcat1518]

Garbage? These kids are young and this is the first big game of the year away from home...

Wilks, Mitchell, Davis and Bishop combined (with 3 minutes to go):

82 Minutes, 13 Points, 0-9 3FG, 6-20 shooting (30%), 9 REB (Mitchell with 5), only 2 ***, 8 TOs.

That's not something you chalk up to being young (against an average FSU team). That pretty much just means these guys aren't good.

[bearcattg]

If this is a sign for things to come UC will lose every Big East game by an average of about 18 points. FSU is not good, folks.

[Cat's Meow]

This game left little to be desired.

[Doc Brock]

Wow, is this Kentucky? I'll chalk this chatter up to the passion of watching the game, but I hope we can get a little more even keeled in the postgame.

[Irishbearcat]

Yeah, if they had snowballs, they'd be pelting the players. LOL

[Matt1982]

Hey, we still have a football team guys!

[Pie Hole]

58 - 47? Wow! that's just flat out disgusting! I thought they had a much better offense than that. It's early and I hope this is just a growing pain, but I seriously can't take another year of sloppy under achieving play. 19% from 3 point land and 47% from the free throw line. Looks like they completely lost confidence tonight.

[Joe Barker]

700 wlw feed switched to some dude talking politics.

God, I can't believe they switched to that hillbilly crap.

[Dono36]

Wow this team is frekn horrendous, could there possibly be a worse ball handling point guard in division 1 basketball than Deonta Vaughn?Yancy Gates is probably the most overrated freshman we have recruited in the past 15 years the guy has no heart and looks flat out lazy.Mitchell can't shoot his way out of a paper bag and looks way overmatched by anyone with any division 2 athletic ability on the court.What bothered me the most was how comfortable cronin seemed to be with this loss, which is sign of a really poor coach, give me a coach who cares please, can we get Brian kelly to coach the basketball team too?

[Mick's Da Man]

It's a good lesson.

Not glad they lost, but I think it might be for the best. First contest outside of the Shoe........and they were flat.

There is a lesson in this.

This team will respond.

[Billy Don]

Garbage? These kids are young and this is the first big game of the year away from home...
Actually FSU played 5 freshmen and UC only 2 and of course it's a road game for FSU also so those two excuses don't hold much water.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

It's a good lesson.

Not glad they lost, but I think it might be for the best. First contest outside of the Shoe........and they were flat.

There is a lesson in this.

This team will respond.

Just 1 L. Just W the next one and it won't matter all that much.

Fla St is a talented ACC team and a good test for UC on the road.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Actually FSU played 5 freshmen and UC only 2 and of course it's a road game for FSU also so those two excuses don't hold much water.

Fla St is very talented. It was a tough opponent for UC and it's just 1 L after all.

[SLMadiCat]

They have a good UNLV team next. Hopefully UC is pissed off with their performance and take it to them. They need to get Yancy more involved. He is too good of a talent to only take two shots.

[Billy Don]

Fla St is very talented. It was a tough opponent for UC and it's just 1 L after all.

FSU isn't all that tough and I had that game down as a close but good UC OOC win. UC stunk up the place in that game in everything from ball handling to taking bad shots. Going to make it hard to get 10 or 11 wins out of the OOC schedule now. I think Mick needs to keep more of the same guys on the floor longer to let them get into the flow of the game. He ought to know by now who can play and who can't.

[Thewhiteboy]

I went too bed early, When i woke up; heard Russ Jackson talking about the game. I was like damn, I'm glad that i slept threw that nightmare.

[anbuc88]

Great game for the MC haters. Probably went to bed with a smile last night. I'm just waiting for Doss to chime in with brilliant comments just as Billy Don has.

This was only one game. After 4 lopsided wins this is a wakeup call for this team. Hopefully they will respond. Tonights game I think will tell us more about this team than yesterday's game.

[Thegreatone]

OK we arent as good as we thought. Take the medecine and come back and beat UNLV. If we beat UNLV it is a sucessfull trip IMO

[Billy Don]

Great game for the MC haters. Probably went to bed with a smile last night. I'm just waiting for Doss to chime in with brilliant comments just as Billy Don has.

This was only one game. After 4 lopsided wins this is a wakeup call for this team. Hopefully they will respond. Tonights game I think will tell us more about this team than yesterday's game.

Sure I make brilliant comments because I know college basketball! Here's another for you. This ought to be a wakeup call for some uneducated UC fans. UC has many areas to improve on if they are going to beat a decent team. Even Vaughn is going to struggle because his mental game right now is a wreck trying to help too many players and trying to do too much. UC will improve on some things but ball handling figures to kill them in the Big East if they don't improve on that. Maybe last night was the worse game UC will play all year and it better be or this year could be a worse year than I thought.

[jeffto]

We sucked. The scouting report said they draw a lot of fouls. They did and made enough FT to win.
Why did McClain only play 5 mins.?
The team sucked, but Vaughn really sucked. He took 1/3 of the shots and shot 27%. Throw in the 6 t/o and he showed why he's no Steve Logan.

[Thegreatone]

I wish it wasnt true but jeffto your right here. Biggie could have played more it sounds like but I doubt it would have helped and Deonta sounded like he played terrible.

[ralph1950]

It is only one loss in a 30 game season, no big deal. With John Reik UC would be National Title contenders.

The Ralph

[Billy Don]

I wish it wasnt true but jeffto your right here. Biggie could have played more it sounds like but I doubt it would have helped and Deonta sounded like he played terrible.

I have to defend Vaughn here a little bit. Sure he played terrible but he doesn't have a lot of help and he has to handle the ball too much. Put Warren out there and Vaughn's game would improve. Right now Vaughn's mental game is bad. Mick needs to run plays for Vaughn like he did last year and let him settle into the game a little bit. Mick has so many other players to teach things he probably hasn't coached Vaughn much this year.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

It is only one loss in a 30 game season, no big deal. With John Reik UC would be National Title contenders.

The Ralph

National title contenders ONLY IF the CBI postseason tournament counts.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I wish it wasnt true but jeffto your right here. Biggie could have played more it sounds like but I doubt it would have helped and Deonta sounded like he played terrible.

You're, not your. Learn the basics.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

They have a good UNLV team next. Hopefully UC is pissed off with their performance and take it to them. They need to get Yancy more involved. He is too good of a talent to only take two shots.

UC should ROMP over UNLV. They are not very good.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Great game for the MC haters. Probably went to bed with a smile last night. I'm just waiting for Doss to chime in with brilliant comments just as Billy Don has.

This was only one game. After 4 lopsided wins this is a wakeup call for this team. Hopefully they will respond. Tonights game I think will tell us more about this team than yesterday's game.

No one hates Cronin. Plenty of Huggins Haters around here.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

FSU isn't all that tough and I had that game down as a close but good UC OOC win. UC stunk up the place in that game in everything from ball handling to taking bad shots. Going to make it hard to get 10 or 11 wins out of the OOC schedule now. I think Mick needs to keep more of the same guys on the floor longer to let them get into the flow of the game. He ought to know by now who can play and who can't.

10-3 in OOC. Then 10 W versus Big East opponents (counting postseason tourney). That's 20 W.

No excuses. Just W again.

[jeffto]

I have to defend Vaughn here a little bit. Sure he played terrible but he doesn't have a lot of help and he has to handle the ball too much. Put Warren out there and Vaughn's game would improve. Right now Vaughn's mental game is bad. Mick needs to run plays for Vaughn like he did last year and let him settle into the game a little bit. Mick has so many other players to teach things he probably hasn't coached Vaughn much this year.This team cannot succeed if Vaughn is the only weapon. Sure, he's shown he can carry the team, but he hasn't carried them to enough W's.

He's a shooting guard - he does that well. He's not a point guard - he doesn't have the necessary skills.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

This team cannot succeed if Vaughn is the only weapon. Sure, he's shown he can carry the team, but he hasn't carried them to enough W's.

He's a shooting guard - he does that well. He's not a point guard - he doesn't have the necessary skills.

He was recruited as PG. He has the height of PG. The reason many Div I schools didn't recruit him (that hard) is that he may be SG in PG body.

[jeffto]

UC should ROMP over UNLV. They are not very good.In your dreams. Are you trying to play with people's expectations? Tell everyone it should be an easy game, and then if they lose you can start broadcasting what a lousy coach Mick is.

This is still a rebuilding team. There are no easy wins on the remaining schedule!

[jeffto]

He was recruited as PG. He has the height of PG. The reason many Div I schools didn't recruit him (that hard) is that he may be SG in PG body.Body types do not dictate positions at guard, skills do.

[YouGuessedItFrankStallone]

In your dreams. Are you trying to play with people's expectations? Tell everyone it should be an easy game, and then if they lose you can start broadcasting what a lousy coach Mick is.

This is still a rebuilding team. There are no easy wins on the remaining schedule!

Of course not! 20 wins!!!111 No Excuses!!!111 (In the strongest bball conference in NCAA history)

[Flanntastic]

here is a fact, UC had some bad loses early last year when Vaughn had to play point, we got allot better when he played the 2. Davis or dixon is going to have to learn how to play the point as vaughn us much better playing the 2, coming off screens. He is not Logan, never will be.

[Thewhiteboy]

What does everybody think about Mike Williams effort last night?
11 points-- 11 rebounds-- 4-5 fg-- 3-4 ft-- 3assits-- 2 turnovers-- 25 minutes

[jeffto]

What does everybody think about Mike Williams effort last night?
11 points-- 11 rebounds-- 4-5 fg-- 3-4 ft-- 3assits-- 2 turnovers-- 25 minutesVery solid. Definitely the star for UC. He's going to keep getting better too. After all, this is his 1st year of Div I ball in how many years?

[jeffto]

No one hates Cronin. Plenty of Huggins Haters around here.And what's wrong with that? In case you've forgotten, he coaches a conference opponent (and he's kind of a jerk).

[anbuc88]

Sure I make brilliant comments because I know college basketball! Here's another for you. This ought to be a wakeup call for some uneducated UC fans. UC has many areas to improve on if they are going to beat a decent team. Even Vaughn is going to struggle because his mental game right now is a wreck trying to help too many players and trying to do too much. UC will improve on some things but ball handling figures to kill them in the Big East if they don't improve on that. Maybe last night was the worse game UC will play all year and it better be or this year could be a worse year than I thought.

You are not educated nor a UC fan. Those of us who have a vested interest in the University, i.e. alumni, know that being a fan is not just rooting for the team when they are winning and then bashing them when they lose. We don't have such shallow lives that we wrap ourselves around a winning team because it makes us feel like we are winners. And spare us all about how long you have been following UC. It's as old as you are and as old as your need to tell us how wealthy you are. Spend some of that wealth buying people who think you are an interesting person, rather than seeking attention on this board.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

And what's wrong with that? In case you've forgotten, he coaches a conference opponent (and he's kind of a jerk).

What a stupid comment. No reason to hate the guy who rescued UC basketball from the dead.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

In your dreams. Are you trying to play with people's expectations? Tell everyone it should be an easy game, and then if they lose you can start broadcasting what a lousy coach Mick is.

This is still a rebuilding team. There are no easy wins on the remaining schedule!

UNLV is not very talented or experienced. Easy (defined as Double Digit) W.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Of course not! 20 wins!!!111 No Excuses!!!111 (In the strongest bball conference in NCAA history)

Absolutely. Huggins is going to get 20+ W in that same (BEast) conference. He did last year. No excuses why Cronin won't. Because he will.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Body types do not dictate positions at guard, skills do.

He is 6-0 or 6-1 guard. That's PG, not SG. He's not Allen Iverson. He needs to play PG.

[Dono36]

Absolutely. Huggins is going to get 20+ W in that same (BEast) conference. He did last year. No excuses why Cronin won't. Because he will.


This team will be lucky to get 12 wins, I don't think there is a single team we can match up with in the Big East.Quite frankly UC basketball in its current condition could barely compete in Conference USA let alone the Big East.This team isn't even good enought to make it into the NIT, thats our goal for the next 5 years.

[SLMadiCat]

He is 6-0 or 6-1 guard. That's PG, not SG. He's not Allen Iverson. He needs to play PG.

If Vaughn is 6-0 to 6-1, then I'm 7'10.

But you're right, he needs to play point and figure it out by Big East play.

[bearcat1518]

What does everybody think about Mike Williams effort last night?
11 points-- 11 rebounds-- 4-5 fg-- 3-4 ft-- 3assits-- 2 turnovers-- 25 minutes

Solid, very solid. So why did we not keep going to him???

Oh yeah, Alvin Mitchell was on fire....

[SLMadiCat]

Solid, very solid. So why did we not keep going to him???

Oh yeah, Alvin Mitchell was on fire....

Fouls: he was on the bench.

[MDW79]

This team will be lucky to get 12 wins, I don't think there is a single team we can match up with in the Big East.Quite frankly UC basketball in its current condition could barely compete in Conference USA let alone the Big East.This team isn't even good enought to make it into the NIT, thats our goal for the next 5 years.

Wow............................................... ..

[SLMadiCat]

I smell troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mick's Da Man]

UC has one of their worst shooting nights in the last 3 seasons and suddenly fans are going off the deep end.

I saw alot of positives in the game that they can build on, and alot of mistakes they can learn from.

This team is so young that everyone returns next year. Go figure.

[SLMadiCat]

From what I heard they did shoot awful, but a lot of the reason for bad shooting is bad shots. Forced, not in the flow of the offense, etc. They had a tendency to do that last year and I'm guessing they did it against FSU. Inexperienced teams start jacking up 3's when they get behind.

ps - did All Access broadcast this game? Or is everyone basing opinions on radio? Just curious.

[jeffto]

He is 6-0 or 6-1 guard. That's PG, not SG. He's not Allen Iverson. He needs to play PG.Somebody better tell Magic Johnson that, according to an "expert" on this board, he played out of position all those years.

Vaughn hasn't learned to play point in 2+ years of trying. What's going to change now? '58 telling him he has to because he's 6'0". Dream on.

[jeffto]

UNLV is not very talented or experienced. Easy (defined as Double Digit) W.This just in from Mick: "Since my expert, '58, says UNLV is easy, we're going to relax and not prepare very hard for this game."

[bearcat1518]

UC has one of their worst shooting nights in the last 3 seasons and suddenly fans are going off the deep end.

I saw alot of positives in the game that they can build on, and alot of mistakes they can learn from.

This team is so young that everyone returns next year. Go figure.

We're a little negative because the team is simply not good. Period. I don't know what game you were watching, but there definitely were not a lot of positives in that game at all. Their fundamentals are flat out awful!

I don't think we're upset because we lost...it's because the fundamentals are awful and after a year of solid playing time (for most of these guys)...they haven't showed much improvement. Obviously Vaughn is good and Williams is solid (and Biggie has looked better) but Davis, Mitchell, Wilks and Bishop are simply not good enough.