Interesting stats

[GoBearcats31]

Wasn't able to watch or listen, but two things immediately jumped out at me: Yancy Gates' play off the bench and Alvin's performances against the cupcakes.

Yancy Gates on the season: 9.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 59.1 FG% (9 games)
Gates in two games off the bench (in the two games he's played after being taken out of the starting lineup): 17 ppg (16 and 18), 7 rpg (7 each), 75 FG% (7-10 and 8-10)

Alvin Mitchell season averages: 9.3 ppg, 43.1 FG%, 41.9 3FG%
Mitchell versus five cupcakes: 12.2 ppg (granted he scored 3 in first game of year), 48.72 FG%, 51.72 3FG%
Mitchell versus FSU/UNLV/UAB/XU: 5.75 ppg, 34.62 FG%, 21.43 3FG%

Also:

Steven Toyloy is averaging 4.8 rebounds per game despite less than 16 minutes per game.

Larry Davis is 14/37 on three point attempts (37.8%) but if you take away a combined 0 for 7 in the two Las Vegas games than he's at a solid 46.7%

Biggie has played in just 81 minutes over 9 games. Granted some of that time was garbage minutes, but if you played him three times as much (27 minutes) his stats x3 would be: 13.2 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 3.9 blocks per game.

Following two 12 pt and one 7 pt efforts to start the season, Deonta Vaughn is averaging 16.7 points over the last six games, but in the last six games he has 26 assists and 27 turnovers.

GO CATS!

[Thegreatone]

The Gates and Mitchell stats are interesting and I think they show a lot.

[misterfresh]

Syupidity.

Pick and choose the stats so you can manipulate them. Stupidity.

Yancy Gates had 16 points & 11 rebounds in game one-as a starter. Shouldnt that be every game???

[GoBearcats31]

Syupidity.

Pick and choose the stats so you can manipulate them. Stupidity.

Yancy Gates had 16 points & 11 rebounds in game one-as a starter. Shouldnt that be every game???

What manipulation? You don't think it's interesting that Mitchell shines against the lesser competition and often is a no show in the real games?

And every time Yancy gets taken out of the starting lineup he steps his game back up. Everyone talked about him being lazy at times in high school, so maybe this just proves that he needs a little push from Mick to get him to do well.

And there appears to be irony of spelling stupidity with two Y's

[Billy Don]

What manipulation? You don't think it's interesting that Mitchell shines against the lesser competition and often is a no show in the real games?

And every time Yancy gets taken out of the starting lineup he steps his game back up. Everyone talked about him being lazy at times in high school, so maybe this just proves that he needs a little push from Mick to get him to do well.

And there appears to be irony of spelling stupidity with two Y's

When you put up good stats against a good team and a good defense then the stats actually mean something in some cases. Even then they can be off. If for example a good team double teams Vaughn the player they don't guard should have better stats. Thats been the case for Davis, Mitchell, and Bishop in some games. If you get to see the games you of course don't need stats to know whats going on.

[levydl]

I forget which other game Yancy didn't start, but he could have sat the entire first half and still had 20 against this team. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else it wasn't fair. I don't think it had anything to do with him coming off the bench.

[Billy Don]

I forget which other game Yancy didn't start, but he could have sat the entire first half and still had 20 against this team. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else it wasn't fair. I don't think it had anything to do with him coming off the bench.

I think the first time Mick didn't start Yancy it was a wake up call. This time it might have been for the T's he got Saturday. Mick knows Yancy is a player this team needs on the floor for as many minutes as possible and later on he will be for as many minutes as Mick can get out of him. Toyloy was given a start for his good game in mop up Saturday but he didn't last for 2 minutes or so before Mick jerked him. I've made a lot of posts this morning because it's snowing like crazy outside and I haven't got out of my adjustable bed as yet. Life is tough sometimes you know!

[Not Guilty]

I forget which other game Yancy didn't start, but he could have sat the entire first half and still had 20 against this team. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else it wasn't fair. I don't think it had anything to do with him coming off the bench.

Yancy didn't start against UNLV I believe, and that team is pretty solid.

[jeffto]

Wasn't able to watch or listen, but two things immediately jumped out at me: Yancy Gates' play off the bench and Alvin's performances against the cupcakes.

Yancy Gates on the season: 9.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 59.1 FG% (9 games)
Gates in two games off the bench (in the two games he's played after being taken out of the starting lineup): 17 ppg (16 and 18), 7 rpg (7 each), 75 FG% (7-10 and 8-10)

Alvin Mitchell season averages: 9.3 ppg, 43.1 FG%, 41.9 3FG%
Mitchell versus five cupcakes: 12.2 ppg (granted he scored 3 in first game of year), 48.72 FG%, 51.72 3FG%
Mitchell versus FSU/UNLV/UAB/XU: 5.75 ppg, 34.62 FG%, 21.43 3FG%

Also:

Steven Toyloy is averaging 4.8 rebounds per game despite less than 16 minutes per game.

Larry Davis is 14/37 on three point attempts (37.8%) but if you take away a combined 0 for 7 in the two Las Vegas games than he's at a solid 46.7%

Biggie has played in just 81 minutes over 9 games. Granted some of that time was garbage minutes, but if you played him three times as much (27 minutes) his stats x3 would be: 13.2 points, 9.6 rebounds, and 3.9 blocks per game.

Following two 12 pt and one 7 pt efforts to start the season, Deonta Vaughn is averaging 16.7 points over the last six games, but in the last six games he has 26 assists and 27 turnovers.

GO CATS!

So Mick should learn from this and only bring in Gates from the bench, play Mitchell against cupcakes only, don't play Davis in Vegas, play Biggie 60 minutes per game. Vaughn? Play him or don't play him?

Good stuff there.:D

[TmacGoCats]

The reason why Mitchell shines against cupcakes is because he gets wide open looks and he hits the shots.

I was at the game last night and thats all he did was hit wide open three's (he did have one nice put-back slam). If you notice he doesn't even dribble, he just catches the pass and hits it.

Against solid defensive teams like Xavier, Mitchell will struggle because they aren't going to leave him open.

Thats why vaughn is such a prolific scorer because he can score off the pass and off the dribble. Vaughn puts up huge numbers against good teams because he's more of a complete player.

Gates is a stud player no matter who their playing...he struggled against Xavier because of foul trouble.

[GoBearcats31]

So Mick should learn from this and only bring in Gates from the bench, play Mitchell against cupcakes only, don't play Davis in Vegas, play Biggie 60 minutes per game. Vaughn? Play him or don't play him?

Good stuff there.:D

Obviously this is being taken out of context. Except for a two game slump, Davis is shooting great from outside. Deonta is getting his scoring numbers up, but still is struggling b/c he's not a point guard. Biggie is showing improvement, and I've liked his effort when he gets in.

As for the real point of the thread, I think Mitchell stepping up in a game like X would have been huge. He's a good player but it seems as though he's still learning and maturing as a player and will need to improve his decision making/shot selection against the better teams and in high presure situations. Gates, meanwhile, has looked good most of the time and seems to respond well when he doesn't have a great game (and Mick likely lets him hear it)

[shaunsimpson]

There are some players that do benefit from coming in off of the bench. These players are typically young players like Gates who get to see the defense the the opposition plays and can learn from the coaching staff how to play better. There could be something to it.