Rutger's game

[ralph1950]

A win for the Bearcats. Something like 62-52.

[psax889906]

Gotta be. Or even I will start to be very disappointed with the progress. This is the definition of a MUST WIN. I want to see desire and passion. They should out rebound Rutgers and destroy them down low with Gates, Toyloy and Williams...

[Cats4Ever]

UC 88

Ruh Roh 68

Blowout city baby!

[BearcatCJR23]

Gotta be. Or even I will start to be very disappointed with the progress. This is the definition of a MUST WIN. I want to see desire and passion. They should out rebound Rutgers and destroy them down low with Gates, Toyloy and Williams...

I'm not saying they aren't going to win, but get ready to be disappointed if you think this will be a blowout. I will be very surprised (though very ecstatic) if UC wins by more than 10. Rutgers hung close with UNC for a while (into the 2nd half) and was beat Pitt at half....i do agree it's a MUST win though.....

UC pulls away late, 73-65

[psax889906]

I'm not saying they aren't going to win, but get ready to be disappointed if you think this will be a blowout. I will be very surprised if UC wins by more than 10. Rutgers hung close with UNC for a while (into the 2nd half) and was beat Pitt at half....

UC pulls away late, 73-65

I didn't say a single thing about a 'blowout' that was the post following mine. I SAID I want to see UC outrebound Rutgers and dominate them in the post... they can do that and still lose the game, technically, though it would be a longshot.

[jlr1523]

Gotta be. Or even I will start to be very disappointed with the progress. This is the definition of a MUST WIN. I want to see desire and passion. They should out rebound Rutgers and destroy them down low with Gates, Toyloy and Williams...

Definitely is a must win. I must say though, after looking back at what they have done this year, the cats really don't have a "bad" loss. Sure, the Providence game is one they needed to win but they still have some quality wins (UNLV, Miss St., UAB) I think if they can pull off some big wins at home and win they road games against the weaker BE teams, they clearly go to the NIT. After the way they played UCONN, they can definitely beat teams at home like WVU, UofL and so on. I wish they were further along than they are but they are still making progress.

[Thewhiteboy]

Isay a sloppy 20 turnovers,10+ point losers.....

[Aerosmith]

I say a 15+ point win. Rutgers takes UC as lightly as UC will take them. UC is desperate for a win. I think the players are ready to stick it to someone.

[Billy Don]

UC better get Rutgers this year because they have more decent recruits coming in from the 09 class, one being top 100. Add in the fact the current team figures to improve and UC is playing at Rutgers next year it's a question if UC beats Rutgers next year. Two or three of the current bottom feeders are improving and UC has to improve just to stay ahead of them. I don't think anybody said it was going to be easy did they?

[Matt1982]

Rutgers wins this game because Rutgers knows how to play defense. This team is a lost cause, Mick has shown he is incapable of rallying a struggling team as this team is going to continue down the same pathetic path as the past 2 teams who couldn't get out of their own way.

[bearcated]

Well, whether you are in the Mick camp or not, Mick is who we have.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, anyone know anything about Rutgers? Are they a perimeter team like Providence and Marquette, or a big inside game team, or none of the above?

[Aerosmith]

Rutgers wins this game because Rutgers knows how to play defense. This team is a lost cause, Mick has shown he is incapable of rallying a struggling team as this team is going to continue down the same pathetic path as the past 2 teams who couldn't get out of their own way.


Yeah, ask all those teams and top rated coaches Mick beat last year on his way to 8 conference wins.

Your comments hold no weight.

[LongTimer]

Rutgers wins this game because Rutgers knows how to play defense. This team is a lost cause, Mick has shown he is incapable of rallying a struggling team as this team is going to continue down the same pathetic path as the past 2 teams who couldn't get out of their own way.

Ouch....Matt, you're fast approaching the #1 ranking on negativity. It's going to be hard for the rest of us to compete with you the way you're going.

I expect a win tomorrow, but it will be a hard fought win. We just haven't shown a killer instinct all year.

[Billy Don]

Well, whether you are in the Mick camp or not, Mick is who we have.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, anyone know anything about Rutgers? Are they a perimeter team like Providence and Marquette, or a big inside game team, or none of the above?
Rutgers has some of both but their perimeter game is the main threat. Rutgers has two high rated guards in Chandler and freshman Rosario who was a MCDonalds All American. UC has overall better talent and is playing at home but will still have to play their best to win this game. I think UC wears Rutgers down at the end and wins by 6 or so. It's not going to be easy that's for sure. UC comes out flat they get beat. Mick better have them fired up.

[Jet23]

Rutgers wins this game because Rutgers knows how to play defense. This team is a lost cause, Mick has shown he is incapable of rallying a struggling team as this team is going to continue down the same pathetic path as the past 2 teams who couldn't get out of their own way.

Wow....just wow! Rebuilding in the toughest conference in the history of the world isn't quite that easy. It's kind of like learning to drive at the Daytona 500. Can we give a brother a chance here?

[BeastUC]

Rutgers is a guard dominated team,but they do have talent inside.I think UC wins this.
I also wouldn't be shocked if Rutgers "just happens" to get hot from 3-point range.

[icehole3]

Well, whether you are in the Mick camp or not, Mick is who we have.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, anyone know anything about Rutgers? Are they a perimeter team like Providence and Marquette, or a big inside game team, or none of the above?

I listened to some of Cronin's show last night and he seemed extremely concerned with Rutgers and how he felt the team needs to play flawless in order to get a Big East win, went on and on about how he misses Warren.

[psax889906]

I listened to some of Cronin's show last night and he seemed extremely concerned with Rutgers and how he felt the team needs to play flawless in order to get a Big East win, went on and on about how he misses Warren.

I'd miss Warren too if I were him... every time they zoom in during a timeout on Cashmere I get so angry, frustrated and sad... it's certainly the Cincinnati sports curse feeling that comes out of me at that time... :(

[Matt1982]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

[NorrisHopper30]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

And if we win what happens?

[BearcatAlum1]

I listened to some of Cronin's show last night and he seemed extremely concerned with Rutgers and how he felt the team needs to play flawless in order to get a Big East win, went on and on about how he misses Warren.

I too listened to the show and he did lament the fact that Warren was a stabilizing figure on the squad last year.

Rutgers is no slouch. They'll come out to play. They view Cincinnati as a very winnable game, and we'll lose if we don't come out with 100% effort. I pray that Mick only goes 7 deep with Toyloy getting minutes for Williams and Gates. Use the other guys for spot minutes until they understand what is expected of them (in terms of effort and execution). Pound the ball with Yancy and defend the perimeter. I'll puke if Rutgers is raining 3s.

Alum1

[Aerosmith]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

If we win, I hope you see the reality and leave this board forever.

[BearcatAlum1]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

Just curious, but who would you like to see here? PM me if you have an answer, because this might get the thread off topic and start a shi! storm.

Alum1

[Billy Don]

I listened to some of Cronin's show last night and he seemed extremely concerned with Rutgers and how he felt the team needs to play flawless in order to get a Big East win, went on and on about how he misses Warren.
Oh now he misses Warren. The main thing I heard him say about Warren and last years team before was they didn't have any talent.

[BeastUC]

Mick said he had no talent to compete his first year,even tho i can see 5 games in Wofford,UAB where they agve the game away in the last 30 seconds,@Cuse where the refs handed Cuse the game with that BS call,@Providence where they coulda won in regulation and at home vs Rutgers where 3 silly plays in a row lost the game.
So he had chances to have a winning record.
Last year,the excuse was having Warren out the first 6 games and not getting into the flow until conference play.
Those "no-talent" players surely played hard enough tho.Maybe it was to keep the coach from publicly saying they had no talent.

[Irishbearcat]

Too early for the "Mick needs to go" chanting. He deserves another full year. '09/'10 should be the determining year for him. He's done a pretty good job of recruiting while not having a record to show off. Let's give him some time.

[jlr1523]

Too early for the "Mick needs to go" chanting. He deserves another full year. '09/'10 should be the determining year for him. He's done a pretty good job of recruiting while not having a record to show off. Let's give him some time.

You're right. I think changing coaches now would set the program way back. Unfortunately everyone, including myself, thought it would only take only 2 or 3 years for Mick to get the program back to top 25 form. Like most, I'm disappointed with where the program currently is. I think he still needs at least 2 more years though. As long as the team continues to improve every year, I guess we deal with it and wait. If the program hasn't returned to prominence with in the next 2 seasons, we got problems.

[MDW79]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

Why do you waste so much time on a UC basketball forum if you're so disgusted with EVERYTHING? I personally (no offense to anyone) can't stand NASCAR so I certainly wouldn't be on a NASCAR forum every single day. If you have nothing to contribute but negative, uninformative posts then do us all a favor, including yourself, and just leave. :mad:

[BearcatK]

We lose this game... then I hope you all see the reality... we're no good.... and Mick needs to go.

:mad:
Trying...so hard...not to say something offensive. Anyway...

UC 73
Rutgers 61

No game in the Big East is a gimme, but my goodness do we need this one!

[Forsure21]

We need this victory. Hopefully the team doesn't come out flat against Rutgers. Rutgers, USF, Providence, Seton Hall, and St.Johns all pose as UC's most winnable games. These are the games where I am really looking at Mick's coaching ability because none of these teams are just flat-out better.

[BeastUC]

We need this victory. Hopefully the team doesn't come out flat against Rutgers. Rutgers, USF, Providence, Seton Hall, and St.Johns all pose as UC's most winnable games. These are the games where I am really looking at Mick's coaching ability because none of these teams are just flat-out better.

Funny thing is,the fans of those teams are saying the same thing about UC.
Not to mention Providence already beat us on our homecourt.
DePaul doesn't look good,but i'm sure they will not want to look bad vs UC after getting waxed at home by USF.
I'm curious as to know how many times you have seen these teams play or how much you know about them to say they are not better than UC?

[BearcatAlum1]

We need this victory. Hopefully the team doesn't come out flat against Rutgers. Rutgers, USF, Providence, Seton Hall, and St.Johns all pose as UC's most winnable games. These are the games where I am really looking at Mick's coaching ability because none of these teams are just flat-out better.

I don't necessarily understand how the quality of competition effects Mick's coaching. Every game plan is tailored to the opponents strengths and weaknesses. The only advantage to playing "lesser" teams or "less" talented teams, is that the execution of these plays, sets, and coaching tactics is more easily accomplish. Many times you run a set or a play to get a specific player the ball (Yancy) on a specific part of the floor (low block). It's easier to accomplish against Rutgers' big guys than it is Thabeet and Adrien. The coaching doesn't change, the competition does, and as a result, the execution is more crisp and precise. You can draw up the most wonderful plays in the world, but they won't do any good if you can't execute them properly. Timing, timing, timing....

Alum1

[Forsure21]

Funny thing is,the fans of those teams are saying the same thing about UC.
Not to mention Providence already beat us on our homecourt.
DePaul doesn't look good,but i'm sure they will not want to look bad vs UC after getting waxed at home by USF.
I'm curious as to know how many times you have seen these teams play or how much you know about them to say they are not better than UC?

IMO, there isn't a great deal of seperation between Rutgers, USF, CINCY, Depaul,Seton Hall, and Providence. Meaning they don't all have players who have unbelievable talent and experience combined like the rest of the BE seems to have on CIncy. Meaning the UC players aren't going to be over matched in many ways like they are vs. the NCAA tounrament BE teams. Yea each of these teams has their stregnths, but those stregnths aren't far away and above what Cincinnati is capable of playing with.

[Forsure21]

I don't necessarily understand how the quality of competition effects Mick's coaching. Every game plan is tailored to the opponents strengths and weaknesses. The only advantage to playing "lesser" teams or "less" talented teams, is that the execution of these plays, sets, and coaching tactics is more easily accomplish. Many times you run a set or a play to get a specific player the ball (Yancy) on a specific part of the floor (low block). It's easier to accomplish against Rutgers' big guys than it is Thabeet and Adrien. The coaching doesn't change, the competition does, and as a result, the execution is more crisp and precise. You can draw up the most wonderful plays in the world, but they won't do any good if you can't execute them properly. Timing, timing, timing....

Alum1


The quality of competition and the result against those 5 teams IMO will be a big judging factor IMO. IMO USF, Prov, St. Johns, Rutgers, and Seton Hall aren't any better or worse than UC, so because there isn't much seperation it comes down to game planning and preperation. Look at the National Title game in football- there wasn't much seperating the two teams in ability and it came down to coaching and Urban Meyer won as that result.

UC is not going to beat any of those teams because of their ability or the lack of ability from the other teams. It will come down to coaching and preperation. You might see it different and that's okay.

[BeastUC]

IMO, there isn't a great deal of seperation between Rutgers, USF, CINCY, Depaul,Seton Hall, and Providence. Meaning they don't all have players who have unbelievable talent and experience combined like the rest of the BE seems to have on CIncy. Meaning the UC players aren't going to be over matched in many ways like they are vs. the NCAA tounrament BE teams. Yea each of these teams has their stregnths, but those stregnths aren't far away and above what Cincinnati is capable of playing with.

Add in St. John's who UC gets twice.Providence is way ahead of UC in experience,as they shown last wednesday.
Now UC has a chance to make adjustments and beat them in their place.
But i'm sure playing @Depaul saturday afternoon and then traveling to Providence will factor in somehow.

[Lobot]

Add in St. John's who UC gets twice.Providence is way ahead of UC in experience,as they shown last wednesday.
Now UC has a chance to make adjustments and beat them in their place.
But i'm sure playing @Depaul saturday afternoon and then traveling to Providence will factor in somehow.

I don't like the St John's game in NYC. They beat ND there and I've seen ND and been pretty impressed even if they did lose another road game at U of L. They just plain ran out of gas in OT in that game.

[mike pinzki]

UC wins this game. Rutgers has proven to be a nuisance/problem before, and I don't expect this game to be all that different, but UC will win this game. An ugly win counts as a win.

[Billy Don]

UC wins this game. Rutgers has proven to be a nuisance/problem before, and I don't expect this game to be all that different, but UC will win this game. An ugly win counts as a win.

One thing for sure either Rutgers or UC will get their first Big East win and leave the ranks of the non winners. Everything points to UC winning this game at home. It's almost a done deal. It's going to be so nice tomorrow to read all the posts about how great UC is. A couple of the young guys will even post they think UC is going to the final four this year. This game could very well start UC on a 4 game winning streak. It's at least possible.

[ralph1950]

IMO, there isn't a great deal of seperation between Rutgers, USF, CINCY, Depaul,Seton Hall, and Providence. Meaning they don't all have players who have unbelievable talent and experience combined like the rest of the BE seems to have on CIncy. Meaning the UC players aren't going to be over matched in many ways like they are vs. the NCAA tounrament BE teams. Yea each of these teams has their stregnths, but those stregnths aren't far away and above what Cincinnati is capable of playing with.


There is not a great deal of separation between UC and UConn, Georgetown, Pitt, Marquette, ND, etc., either.

There are only six degrees of separation between me and everyone else in the entire world.

[juckerrules]

Rutgers wins this game because Rutgers knows how to play defense. This team is a lost cause, Mick has shown he is incapable of rallying a struggling team as this team is going to continue down the same pathetic path as the past 2 teams who couldn't get out of their own way.

rutgers is also a team who lost to St. Bonaventure, Lehigh and Binghamptom (all at home)

If the Bearcats lose to this pathetic team, I might have to agree with you about the pathetic path.

However, I think they will come out and smoke Rutgers.

[Pie Hole]

There is not a great deal of separation between UC and UConn, Georgetown, Pitt, Marquette, ND, etc., either.

There are only six degrees of separation between me and everyone else in the entire world.

Oh Ralph, you crazy, cookey nut.

[Billy Don]

I don't necessarily understand how the quality of competition effects Mick's coaching.

Alum1

Ever heard of the fear factor? In the past teams and coach's use to be scared to death when they played UC for example because they knew they would be taken to the wood shed. For Mick right now his fear factor is him and the team will get embarrassed when they play a top team like Marquette and get beat 34 points. It just does something to you I tell you.

[ralph1950]

Ever heard of the fear factor? In the past teams and coach's use to be scared to death when they played UC for example because they knew they would be taken to the wood shed. For Mick right now his fear factor is him and the team will get embarrassed when they play a top team like Marquette and get beat 34 points. It just does something to you I tell you.

Yea, all those teams UC lost to in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney sure were scared to death.

[CroninCrazy]

Maybe one day we can stay on topic?