Just about done

[Indy500]

We r down 3 right before the half and r best three point shooter is on the bench. It`s his 3`rd year i`m tired of waiting we look like crap. Butler has 2 frosh and 3 soph. i know they r not in the Big East but they won at X. I stuck with mick but i am about done. we have no outside shooting and make so many turnovers. I have never bashed Mick but he is the coach.

[milfordcats]

Didn't Dixon go 4-5 from the 3-point line?

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Vaughn had an off night. UC won't W often when he does that.

[behrlezt]

Every game the Cats lose it's Mick's fault and he should be fired....every game they win Mick gets another couple days??? I don't understand why so negative. It's year three in a five year rebuild and I personally think the Cats are ahead of schedule. The program Mick inherited was decimated. Let the man recruit(because he will and has the record to prove it)!

[bearcat josh]

We r down 3 right before the half and r best three point shooter is on the bench. It`s his 3`rd year i`m tired of waiting we look like crap. Butler has 2 frosh and 3 soph. i know they r not in the Big East but they won at X. I stuck with mick but i am about done. we have no outside shooting and make so many turnovers. I have never bashed Mick but he is the coach.

so when mick gets this program turned around are u gonna jump back on the wagon???? the guy came into a situation with NOTHING and some of you are expecting banners already. Lets see where this team is when guys like rashad larry davis, and alvin are seniors.

[Matt1982]

Larry Davis and Alvin as seniors? Nice try... but they'll still be irrelevant in 2 years. They are useless and only show up to play a few times each year. The bottom line is these kids may be good athletes, all we ever hear Mick say is we have high flying, up tempo athletes.... well where's it at Mick? We have practically no shooters on this team other than Vaughn. Mick has done an abysmal job of preparation. We are horrid at making passes, even the simplest of passes we throw the ball away. The mental edge is non existent, the fundamentals are at at high school level right now. We have a couple of big men who act like they're 5 foot 8, 130 pounds. No intensity from our big guys, it's pathetic, they're tired and weak. Mick has proven one thing to me, he can't adjust, he can't teach, he can't coach, but he can recruit. We have talent, it's just not being utilized very well whatsoever. We hardly ever see any guys scoring hustle points out there, it's lollygagging and jogging/walking around all night long and it's absolutely ridiculous. You guys need to stop with the excuses for Mick, he's not getting the job done. It's one thing to lose games in the Be. It's another thing to continually lose games in the BE due to the SAME problems... TERRIBLE FUNDAMENTALS, that my friend falls squarely on the head and shoulders of the entire coaching staff.

[Aerosmith]

I'm hoping all the bandwagon fans die in a wagon crash. This board will be so much more fun.

[Aerosmith]

Larry Davis and Alvin as seniors? Nice try... but they'll still be irrelevant in 2 years. They are useless and only show up to play a few times each year. The bottom line is these kids may be good athletes, all we ever hear Mick say is we have high flying, up tempo athletes.... well where's it at Mick? We have practically no shooters on this team other than Vaughn. Mick has done an abysmal job of preparation. We are horrid at making passes, even the simplest of passes we throw the ball away. The mental edge is non existent, the fundamentals are at at high school level right now. We have a couple of big men who act like they're 5 foot 8, 130 pounds. No intensity from our big guys, it's pathetic, they're tired and weak. Mick has proven one thing to me, he can't adjust, he can't teach, he can't coach, but he can recruit. We have talent, it's just not being utilized very well whatsoever. We hardly ever see any guys scoring hustle points out there, it's lollygagging and jogging/walking around all night long and it's absolutely ridiculous. You guys need to stop with the excuses for Mick, he's not getting the job done. It's one thing to lose games in the Be. It's another thing to continually lose games in the BE due to the SAME problems... TERRIBLE FUNDAMENTALS, that my friend falls squarely on the head and shoulders of the entire coaching staff.

Comical. He won 8 games in the Big East last year with inferior talent.

No. He can't coach. (sarcasm)

What a frickin' crock.

Maybe the players aren't "getting it". Maybe it will "click" one of these days.

[Matt1982]

No, think about it, last years team played on heart and effort. This years' team has more talent, but absolutely zero heart. Goes to show how much chemistry and heart will go for you.

[Matt1982]

and maybe... just maybe people will wake up and realize Mick isn't getting the job done and we can't continue to pussyfoot around with these lame excuses. He's had enough time to get this team to a respectable level. These guys are absolutely HORRIBLE with fundamentals, I'll keep saying that because it needs to sink in. Basic things, these guys cannot do. A simple pass, drawing fouls, silly fouls... these things should be 2nd nature at this level of athletics.

[behrlezt]

and maybe... just maybe people will wake up and realize Mick isn't getting the job done and we can't continue to pussyfoot around with these lame excuses. He's had enough time to get this team to a respectable level. These guys are absolutely HORRIBLE with fundamentals, I'll keep saying that because it needs to sink in. Basic things, these guys cannot do. A simple pass, drawing fouls, silly fouls... these things should be 2nd nature at this level of athletics.

He's in year three!!!!!! What are you talking about? Some of the fundamentals could be more crisp but it's too early to tell is Mick is the man for the job or not. Mick doesn't have the talent he needs to have success in his style of play yet or ONE point guard...

[Matt1982]

So what you're telling me it's not Mick's fault he has 10 or 11 or however many guys are on this team that are incapable of making a bounce pass or a simple entry pass without turning the ball over on a consistent basis? These things need fine tuned, you're right, but why aren't? They KEEP HAPPENING. Obvious logic would say, the coaching isn't working, it's not sinking in, the job isn't getting done. These kids have talent, they're good enough to be here and play, we all agree on that. But when we see the same mistakes being made it's not that hard to put two and two together and come to the realization that something just isn't working, and that something is coaching, who knows, maybe it's just Mick's coaching style.... Tom Coughlin decides he's going to change his coaching philosophy and the Giants go on to win the SuperBowl that year... so it can happen. Point being, change needs to be made, the current method isn't working. That's obvious.

[behrlezt]

And to a respectable level?? Jim Calhoun already has praised Mick for what he has done and says the future is bright. I take his word over yours any day.

[Matt1982]

Calhoun was asked about Mick Cronin, what do you expect him to say? He sucks? No, it's called a politically correct response, don't let Calhouns comment go to your head about this program, because it's complete garbage and we all know it.

[Ran513]

and maybe... just maybe people will wake up and realize Mick isn't getting the job done and we can't continue to pussyfoot around with these lame excuses. He's had enough time to get this team to a respectable level. These guys are absolutely HORRIBLE with fundamentals, I'll keep saying that because it needs to sink in. Basic things, these guys cannot do. A simple pass, drawing fouls, silly fouls... these things should be 2nd nature at this level of athletics.
Where will you be parking your wagon at , while we wait for your superior coaching skills to invade clifton?

[LongTimer]

Mick has not been as good a coach as I expected him to be.

He has not been as good a recruiter as I expected him to be.

There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this program further along in the recovery than where we are today.

There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this team playing better with this talent.

In spite of the above, we are between a rock and a hard place right now and he has to be given at least two more years to find his way. Any other option sets us back even more!

[Matt1982]

It doesn't take a genius to see when a team is not well coached....

[Ran513]

It doesn't take a genius to see when a team is not well coached....So what is your remedial plan for success ;)

[Matt1982]

It is blatantly obvious turnovers kill us. It is also blatantly obvious we can't afford to have these turnovers. The offense is clueless what to do with the ball once the defense thwarts what the play calls for, but rather than improvising, we throw the ball inside to our big man anyways who is clearly not open and turn it over. It happens at least 5 times a game. We're looking at a potential 10 points disadvantage right there if they convert on those 5 TO's right off the bat. Point being, they look like robots out there, like they don't know what to do once things don't go as planned. Don't blame it on lack of a PG either, people other than a PG should be able to throw a pass without giving it to the wrong team on a consistent basis.

[mikedenman]

I'm done too. Done with this board. Too many stupid, emotional, typical Cincinnati fair-weather, idiotic peopel on here. See ya!

[TheLivingLegend]

Dixon showed today that he will eventaully be a good shooter, and someone that they can go to down the stretch.

[Matt1982]

Great point legend... to go along with that, I find it interesting that Dixon also shows a lot of heart and intensity out there, you can see he wants to win and will lay it on the line. We need that attitude in our big men badly. Right now, Gates, Williams, Toyloy, under the rim, they're weak, absolutely weak.

[Ran513]

It is blatantly obvious turnovers kill us. It is also blatantly obvious we can't afford to have these turnovers. The offense is clueless what to do with the ball once the defense thwarts what the play calls for, but rather than improvising, we throw the ball inside to our big man anyways who is clearly not open and turn it over. It happens at least 5 times a game. We're looking at a potential 10 points disadvantage right there if they convert on those 5 TO's right off the bat. Point being, they look like robots out there, like they don't know what to do once things don't go as planned. Don't blame it on lack of a PG either, people other than a PG should be able to throw a pass without giving it to the wrong team on a consistent basis.
Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah, after all your anger and complaining( ALOT), an we shoulds and should nots, it's all for nothing.The situation is what it is, we are not the best right now. Give ANY coach the start this one had, give him three years and see how well it turns out. Quit crying man, damn, you dont have to watch them. Your tirades and such are not making them better, save yourself the blood pressure issues. Go away for a while, come back when they are meeting your standards. Or single handedly save the program yourself;).....Then we can post about what a savior you are, and how masterfully you did it:D

[Scheids21]

Great point legend... to go along with that, I find it interesting that Dixon also shows a lot of heart and intensity out there, you can see he wants to win and will lay it on the line. We need that attitude in our big men badly. Right now, Gates, Williams, Toyloy, under the rim, they're weak, absolutely weak.

Gates=Talent, rare effort
Toyloy=Less talent, more effort
Williams=Talent, effort

Williams isnt weak. I see him working and hitting the boards harder than anyone on the team.

[Forsure21]

We r down 3 right before the half and r best three point shooter is on the bench. It`s his 3`rd year i`m tired of waiting we look like crap. Butler has 2 frosh and 3 soph. i know they r not in the Big East but they won at X. I stuck with mick but i am about done. we have no outside shooting and make so many turnovers. I have never bashed Mick but he is the coach.

Butler would struggle to win 4 games in the BE. Alan Cutler is an *****.

[Billy Don]

Dixon showed today that he will eventaully be a good shooter, and someone that they can go to down the stretch.

For what it's worth, Providence with the big lead eased up and weren't guarding Dixon. After he made some shots they put a guard on him and that was the end of it. What I didn't like was earlier in the game when Dixon had wide open shots he passed them up because the game plan was to work the ball inside. You have to take what the defense gives you and UC wasn't. Seniors or not Providence doesn't have all that much talent at least not like the talent UC will face here in a week or so. Oh well.

[Forsure21]

Man, Providence scored 23 points on turnover? WOW! I could only listen to the game, but to give up that many points on turnovers is inexcuseable. I don't even know how that happens. That is a ridiculous number.

[Aerosmith]

It doesn't take a genius to see when a team is not well coached....


Well, I'm not going to take the word of an *****, even if it doesn't take a genius.

[Aerosmith]

For what it's worth, Providence with the big lead eased up and weren't guarding Dixon. After he made some shots they put a guard on him and that was the end of it. What I didn't like was earlier in the game when Dixon had wide open shots he passed them up because the game plan was to work the ball inside. You have to take what the defense gives you and UC wasn't. Seniors or not Providence doesn't have all that much talent at least not like the talent UC will face here in a week or so. Oh well.

You have more BS than anyone on this board.

Anytime UC gets "close" to their opponent, in your words......it's because their opponent "let up".

It gets old Donger. You need a new angle.

[Doss]

meant little when down by 17. They were leaving him open. He hit open shots. They started guarding him. No more baskets. Keno made adjustments. We need players to make shots when the games is at critical points. No one does.

The good news is the CBIT banner will now say "2008 2009"

Very symetrical!



Didn't Dixon go 4-5 from the 3-point line?

[ralph1950]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;54379]
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There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this program further along in the recovery than where we are today.

There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this team playing better with this talent.

QUOTE]

Longtimer, name one of these coaches. I want to know specifically who they are.

[Corporateballa]

Every game the Cats lose it's Mick's fault and he should be fired....every game they win Mick gets another couple days??? I don't understand why so negative. It's year three in a five year rebuild and I personally think the Cats are ahead of schedule. The program Mick inherited was decimated. Let the man recruit(because he will and has the record to prove it)!


Amen! People are so irrationally emotional. Folks need to understand that this team's post-season hope went down with Cashmere. Vaughn was on the bench at the end of the first half because he couldn't stop turning the ball over. This team will go 16-15 or 17-14, and miss the NIT. Calibrate your expectations NOW.

The fact that Mick was able to get a 5-star guy like Yancy after one year on the job is incredible. He signed all of the sophs after being on the job for six months!!! Chene will be a McDonald's All-American. Give the guy time.

[Corporateballa]

Man, Providence scored 23 points on turnover? WOW! I could only listen to the game, but to give up that many points on turnovers is inexcuseable. I don't even know how that happens. That is a ridiculous number.

IT HAPPENS when you are playing against all seniors and you have no PG. Vaughn was AWFUL.

[LongTimer]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;54379]
.

There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this program further along in the recovery than where we are today.

There are a lot of coaches out there that would have this team playing better with this talent.

QUOTE]

Longtimer, name one of these coaches. I want to know specifically who they are.

Bob Huggins, Sean Miller, Coach K, Bill Self, Tubby Smith, Roy Williams, Keno Davis, Jim Boeheim, Jim Calhoun, Ben Howland, Thad Matta, John Calipari, John Thompson III, Jamie Dixon, Mark Few, Lute Olsen, Dino Gaudio, etc., etc., etc., etc. Com'on Ralph, don't ask me such a stupid question. Mick Cronin has accomplished nothing yet to suggest he is anywhere close to the upper echelon of college basketball coaches...or even near the upper echelon of young college basketball coaches. He is unproven in all respects. We'll see if he ever proves anything here.

[ralph1950]

[QUOTE=ralph1950;54417]

Bob Huggins, Sean Miller, Coach K, Bill Self, Tubby Smith, Roy Williams, Keno Davis, Jim Boeheim, Jim Calhoun, Ben Howland, Thad Matta, John Calipari, John Thompson III, Jamie Dixon, Mark Few, Lute Olsen, Dino Gaudio, etc., etc., etc., etc. Com'on Ralph, don't ask me such a stupid question. Mick Cronin has accomplished nothing yet to suggest he is anywhere close to the upper echelon of college basketball coaches...or even near the upper echelon of young college basketball coaches. He is unproven in all respects. We'll see if he ever proves anything here.

None of those coaches was interested in taking the UC job in April of 2006. Can you name one who would have taken the job? It is very doubtful that any of those coaches would have the team any further along than Mick has it. Any coach who took the job would have faced the same obsticle that Mick faced, he had to start from scratch and field a team for the next season, UC could not tell the Big East they were going to take the 2006-2007 season off.

[BearcatAlum1]

I'm done too. Done with this board. Too many stupid, emotional, typical Cincinnati fair-weather, idiotic peopel on here. See ya!

That sums it up. Best post on this thread yet.



BearcatAlum1

[LongTimer]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;54425]

None of those coaches was interested in taking the UC job in April of 2006. Can you name one who would have taken the job? It is very doubtful that any of those coaches would have the team any further along than Mick has it. Any coach who took the job would have faced the same obsticle that Mick faced, he had to start from scratch and field a team for the next season, UC could not tell the Big East they were going to take the 2006-2007 season off.

Yada, Yada, Yada.....

The only thing that he did that kind of impressed me was that he recruited some decent guys pretty quickly after getting hired. Unfortunately, two of those recruits were ineligible, so maybe I am not so impressed after all. After that...sorry...haven't been impressed.....still waiting. But, I'm glad you love him Ralph. You need to bump up your UCATS donation to the next level and get better seats for the upcoming National Championship season.

[ralph1950]

[QUOTE=ralph1950;54428]

Yada, Yada, Yada.....

The only thing that he did that kind of impressed me was that he recruited some decent guys pretty quickly after getting hired. Unfortunately, two of those recruits were ineligible, so maybe I am not so impressed after all. After that...sorry...haven't been impressed.....still waiting. But, I'm glad you love him Ralph. You need to bump up your UCATS donation to the next level and get better seats for the upcoming National Championship season.

Longtimer, you still have not named a coach who would have taken the job that could have done a better job than Mick has done.

[Matt1982]

The point is Mick has not shown he can take these kids to the next level. They're not progressing, they're making the same mistakes they were making 15 games ago, but 15 games ago it didn't matter because we were playing extremely inferior talent. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it's not, there are some blatantly obvious problems with this teams mental game, or lack of. Last night all we had to do was take care of the ball and we win the game, and that could likely be the case against a few more teams that are pretty darn good, especially if we catch a team on a sub-par shooting night.

If you recall last season, Mick had these guys literally "handing the ball off" for passes up top of the key. Essentially it's hard to turn the ball over when the ball doesn't travel through the air for one moment. Now I'm not saying we should do this with this team, but Mick needs to make some form of adjustment to get this team in a position not to make so many turnovers. Also, in the 2nd half this team stood around on both sides of the ball way too much. It's hard to root for a team that just acts like it doesn't care, I feel for Dixon and Williams, Wilks... they really appear to be trying, but the rest of the team is simply going through the motions. Once it gets tough, they seemingly turn off the switch and let the game get dictated by the other team.

[ralph1950]

Longtimer, you have not come up with the name of a coach who would have taken the job in April, 2006, that would have a done a better job than Mick.

It is time for you to admit that Mick was the best option, if not the only option, for the job in 2006.

[ralph1950]

The point is Mick has not shown he can take these kids to the next level. They're not progressing, they're making the same mistakes they were making 15 games ago, but 15 games ago it didn't matter because we were playing extremely inferior talent. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it's not, there are some blatantly obvious problems with this teams mental game, or lack of. Last night all we had to do was take care of the ball and we win the game, and that could likely be the case against a few more teams that are pretty darn good, especially if we catch a team on a sub-par shooting night.

If you recall last season, Mick had these guys literally "handing the ball off" for passes up top of the key. Essentially it's hard to turn the ball over when the ball doesn't travel through the air for one moment. Now I'm not saying we should do this with this team, but Mick needs to make some form of adjustment to get this team in a position not to make so many turnovers. Also, in the 2nd half this team stood around on both sides of the ball way too much. It's hard to root for a team that just acts like it doesn't care, I feel for Dixon and Williams, Wilks... they really appear to be trying, but the rest of the team is simply going through the motions. Once it gets tough, they seemingly turn off the switch and let the game get dictated by the other team.

Mick has shown that he can take these kids to the next level, they are progressing, they win more games each year. The Big East is not C-USA, it takes a lot longer to rebuild in the Big East than in C-USA.

[coach]

Mick has shown that he can take these kids to the next level, they are progressing, they win more games each year. The Big East is not C-USA, it takes a lot longer to rebuild in the Big East than in C-USA.

they may win more games, but not quality wins. save for a decent performance against uconn, they haven't shown much against good competition. unlv is decent, miss st, not so sure. last year's team was saddled with the loss of jamal warren early on, or they would have won more. if cashmere wright plays this year, i'm not sure how much better this team is. maybe vaughn scores more, but other than the two providence losses, i'm not sure they win any of the other losses.

[BearcatAlum1]

The point is Mick has not shown he can take these kids to the next level. They're not progressing, they're making the same mistakes they were making 15 games ago, but 15 games ago it didn't matter because we were playing extremely inferior talent. Maybe it's coaching, maybe it's not, there are some blatantly obvious problems with this teams mental game, or lack of. Last night all we had to do was take care of the ball and we win the game, and that could likely be the case against a few more teams that are pretty darn good, especially if we catch a team on a sub-par shooting night.

If you recall last season, Mick had these guys literally "handing the ball off" for passes up top of the key. Essentially it's hard to turn the ball over when the ball doesn't travel through the air for one moment. Now I'm not saying we should do this with this team, but Mick needs to make some form of adjustment to get this team in a position not to make so many turnovers. Also, in the 2nd half this team stood around on both sides of the ball way too much. It's hard to root for a team that just acts like it doesn't care, I feel for Dixon and Williams, Wilks... they really appear to be trying, but the rest of the team is simply going through the motions. Once it gets tough, they seemingly turn off the switch and let the game get dictated by the other team.

In addressing your first point of not progressing and turning the ball over, I think it only fair to criticize when they players are put in "poor" positions. It isn't the job of the coach to make the shot, but it is the job of a coach to get a player a better shot, whether the shot be wide open or position a player closer to the basket.

On multiple occasions, the ball was entered to the post and our big guys lost the ball. I saw Toyloy dribble off his feet, throw multiple bad passes, and Gates shoot the ball without looking. Now, is it the coach's fault that the players created these turnovers? If you get Toyloy with the ball within 6 feet of the basket and he turns it over every 4th time he touches it, is that bad Xs and Os on the coach's part? How many times have you seen our players lose the ball without pressure? Vaughn is good for at least one of those a game....

The effort is there, from most of the players. Hanke dominated Gates. Gates gave up layup after layup because he is too lazy to play defense. I mean, Hanke was just beating him down the floor and getting better position. Pathetic effort.

I'm glad to not be coaching this group of players. Their basketball IQ is very low. I don't like how many substitutions we use. It should be a 6 to 7 man rotation, with others playing "spot" minutes. If we eliminate turnovers, that game is won.


Alum1

[Cats4Ever]

Mick has shown that he can take these kids to the next level, they are progressing, they win more games each year. The Big East is not C-USA, it takes a lot longer to rebuild in the Big East than in C-USA.

Careful here Ralph - Mick intentionally softened the schedule and added Ark Pine Bluff and Charleston Southern to get more wins.

Are they really a better team?

If they go on another 6 or 7 game losing streak now, after 19 games into Mick's 3rd year, absolutely not. That is not progress in any measure.

Defensive effort comes from the coaching staff - it has not consistently been there the past 3 years.

Would you be happy with fewer Big East wins this year? I wouldn't.

[cincycpaw]

Mick has shown that he can take these kids to the next level,

No he hasn't. NOt to say that he can't, but he hasn't shown anything yet.

[Bearcat Jeff]

I, and some others on this board, predicted the Cats would be more talented this season and could lose more games in league play. Anybody that knows anything about basketball knew the BEast was bringing back a ton of talent across the board and that most of the teams would be veteran teams. It surprises me that some on here are upset by where this team is.

[Thegreatone]

Careful here Ralph - Mick intentiaonally softened the schedule and added Ark Pine Bluff and Charleston Southern to get more wins.

Are they really a better team?

If they go on another 6 or 7 game losing streak now, after 19 games into Mick's 3rd year, absolutely not. That is not progress in any measure.

Defensive effort comes from the coaching staff - it has not consistently been there the past 3 years.

Would you be happy with fewer Big East wins this year? I wouldn't.

The Big East is considerably better this year. I want 8 Beast wins.

[Aerosmith]

Longtimer, you have not come up with the name of a coach who would have taken the job in April, 2006, that would have a done a better job than Mick.

It is time for you to admit that Mick was the best option, if not the only option, for the job in 2006.


Longzheimer's. That's his new old name. :D

[Bearcat Jeff]

The Big East is considerably better this year. I want 8 Beast wins.Not going to happen and it's unrealistic. I predicted 6-7 with Cashmere at point. If this team wins 8 BEast games then everyone should be elated.

[Cats4Ever]

Longtimer, you have not come up with the name of a coach who would have taken the job in April, 2006, that would have a done a better job than Mick.

It is time for you to admit that Mick was the best option, if not the only option, for the job in 2006.

Anthony Grant

Darrin Horn

These guys would have taken the job and have proven to be good recruiters and winning coaches.

[Bearcat Jeff]

Anthony Grant

Darrin Horn

These guys would have taken the job and have proven to be good recruiters and winning coaches.
Based on what? What evidence do you have that they would have taken this job?

[cincycpaw]

You have more BS than anyone on this board.

Anytime UC gets "close" to their opponent, in your words......it's because their opponent "let up".

It gets old Donger. You need a new angle.

Talk about BS...we're now talking about getting "close" to opponents durring games. I seem to remember when we use to actually win games.

[Cats4Ever]

Based on what? What evidence do you have that they would have taken this job?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

At almost a million per, they would have jumped at it. Are you forgetting the pay that UC is giving?

Also add John Groce and Mark Montgomery to the list.

PS - is this a trick question? Who knows who would have taken it - these are coaches available in April 2006 that since then have shown themselves to be excellent recruiters and/or head coaches.

[Billy Don]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

At almost a million per, they would have jumped at it. Are you forgetting the pay that UC is giving?

Also add John Groce and Mark Montgomery to the list.

PS - is this a trick question? Who knows who would have taken it - these are coaches available in April 2006 that since then have shown themselves to be excellent recruiters and/or head coaches.

None of those coach's were born in Cincinnati! That's the only reason Mick got the job. It just sounded so good. Home town boy and all that.

[Bearcat Jeff]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

At almost a million per, they would have jumped at it. Are you forgetting the pay that UC is giving?

Also add John Groce and Mark Montgomery to the list.

PS - is this a trick question? Who knows who would have taken it - these are coaches available in April 2006 that since then have shown themselves to be excellent recruiters and/or head coaches.
One new head coach in the BEast winning and he has a starting line up full of seniors, and that is Keno Davis. Let's compare apples to apples here.

[Aerosmith]

Talk about BS...we're now talking about getting "close" to opponents durring games. I seem to remember when we use to actually win games.

Oh, you mean in the cakewalk CUSA. I know so many of you wish were still beating up on patsies, but then again, that's what pussies do........they like cakewalks and patsies. Maybe one day you'll realize that it makes you a patsy too when you play in pathetic conferences and beat up on pussy teams.

I guess that makes you a you know what. :rolleyes:

[Cats4Ever]

One new head coach in the BEast winning and he has a starting line up full of seniors, and that is Keno Davis. Let's compare apples to apples here.

I don't understand your post.

I never mentioned Davis, although he should be on the list of possible coaches in 2006.

Mick had 5 or 6 Seniors last year too; went 13 - 19. Guess he has shown he can not win with all levels of experienced players.

Fundamentally, the team does not defend well and their offensive play is not smooth. Been that way for the last 2 1/2 years.

Last year's mantra was "I hope they just show improvement". Same as this years.

At some point the on-the-court results speak for themselves.

[Ran513]

This is just silly, if you dont like Mick, leave ,dont watch, do something. Just please stop polluting the site with idiotic cry baby tantrums. Apply to coach or shut the **** up. Everyone of you who thinks you can do better, put up or you know the rest.Throw every name you want out there, the fact is none of these so called "better" coaches took or considered the job.Some of you act like we are coming from winning championship after championship. 1 final four since Oscar , Bob Huggins has one exactly how many titles while here, how many conference titles does it take to be considered great as opposed to national titles. The program doesnt owe us anything, we cant even fill up our arena, look around the big east we have by far the WORST home court advantage in college, let alone the big east. You dont like the car your in, get out.

[anbuc88]

This is just silly, if you dont like Mick, leave ,dont watch, do something. Just please stop polluting the site with idiotic cry baby tantrums. Apply to coach or shut the **** up. Everyone of you who thinks you can do better, put up or you know the rest.Throw every name you want out there, the fact is none of these so called "better" coaches took or considered the job.Some of you act like we are coming from winning championship after championship. 1 final four since Oscar , Bob Huggins has one exactly how many titles while here, how many conference titles does it take to be considered great as opposed to national titles. The program doesnt owe us anything, we cant even fill up our arena, look around the big east we have by far the WORST home court advantage in college, let alone the big east. You dont like the car your in, get out.

Excellent post. Hopefully Matt1982 and other like him will leave. Doubt it though.

[Ran513]

I don't understand your post.

I never mentioned Davis, although he should be on the list of possible coaches in 2006.

Mick had 5 or 6 Seniors last year too; went 13 - 19. Guess he has shown he can not win with all levels of experienced players.

Fundamentally, the team does not defend well and their offensive play is not smooth. Been that way for the last 2 1/2 years.

Last year's mantra was "I hope they just show improvement". Same as this years.

At some point the on-the-court results speak for themselves.

change your name to cats4ever as long as they are winning, or have patience. a winning culture doesnt happen over night look at indiana.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;54425]

None of those coaches was interested in taking the UC job in April of 2006. Can you name one who would have taken the job? It is very doubtful that any of those coaches would have the team any further along than Mick has it. Any coach who took the job would have faced the same obsticle that Mick faced, he had to start from scratch and field a team for the next season, UC could not tell the Big East they were going to take the 2006-2007 season off.

Only 1 interested. Mick Cronin. UC had very few nibbles and no other serious takers.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Longtimer, you have not come up with the name of a coach who would have taken the job in April, 2006, that would have a done a better job than Mick.

It is time for you to admit that Mick was the best option, if not the only option, for the job in 2006.

Only, best, worst. Same thing. No other serious interest in UC coaching job in 2006.

[Matt1982]

Since all of you have essentially gone off the deep end, tell me, give me ONE tidbit of positive that Mick Cronin has brought to this campus? I'm waiting.... and I am anxious to see what kind of nonsense answers I get from this one, because the truth that lies within is simply this, Mick has this team no better off today, in fact it may even be worse than it was when he arrived. There has been zero progression, ZERO. Anyways, I'll be waiting for someone to tell me something positive about what Mick has done here in Cincinnati... this ought to be good.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Since all of you have essentially gone off the deep end, tell me, give me ONE tidbit of positive that Mick Cronin has brought to this campus? I'm waiting.... and I am anxious to see what kind of nonsense answers I get from this one, because the truth that lies within is simply this, Mick has this team no better off today, in fact it may even be worse than it was when he arrived. There has been zero progression, ZERO. Anyways, I'll be waiting for someone to tell me something positive about what Mick has done here in Cincinnati... this ought to be good.

He was willing to take on a nearly impossible task at UC. Few, if any others were so inclined.

[Ran513]

Since all of you have essentially gone off the deep end, tell me, give me ONE tidbit of positive that Mick Cronin has brought to this campus? I'm waiting.... and I am anxious to see what kind of nonsense answers I get from this one, because the truth that lies within is simply this, Mick has this team no better off today, in fact it may even be worse than it was when he arrived. There has been zero progression, ZERO. Anyways, I'll be waiting for someone to tell me something positive about what Mick has done here in Cincinnati... this ought to be good.Did we have our "hate Mick " cookies today. Or maybe the "stubborn cant tell me anything" cookies. Heres something though, recruits, the first 5 star since the last time he recruited for U.C. a direction (like it or not).Now is that a good enough binky for the baby, or does him need a baba.

[Matt1982]

Ok... the term "5 star" means squat. How is that "5 star" recruit doing so far in games we could possibly win? Let us see... in our 7 losses, our "5 star" recruit is averaging 7 points a game. Goes to show "5 star" means nothing. Yes I understand he's a freshmen, but certainly if you're going to compare him to rest of the "5 star recruit" freshmen out there... he's been a disappointment. Kemba Walker looks like a pro out there, Gates looks like a deer in the headlights half the time.

[levydl]

Anthony Grant

Darrin Horn

These guys would have taken the job and have proven to be good recruiters and winning coaches.

Grant was an assistant coach at Florida when UC hired Mick. He was hired as the head coach of Virginia Commonwealth a month later. You're really using hindsight here. I doubt Grant even bothered applying.

[ralph1950]

None of those coach's were born in Cincinnati! That's the only reason Mick got the job. It just sounded so good. Home town boy and all that.

Mick got the job because he was the best candidate for the situation. He was an assistant at UC so he was familiar with territory, he was an assistant with Rick Pitino and was known througout as an excellent recruiter. He had great success as a head coach at Murray State, if James White does not make a great play he beats UC at 5/3rd Arena, coached Murray to 2 NCAA tourney berths and gave North Carolina all they could handle in the tourney. Those who are critical of Mick are greatly underestimating the direness of the situation at UC when Mick became head coach in April, 2006, he had no players and he had to field a team for the 2006-2007 season, no recruiting had been done at UC for 9 months prior to him taking the job.

[Matt1982]

That was 06-07.... this is now, it's not gotten any better, it's gotten worse.

[LongTimer]

Longtimer, you have not come up with the name of a coach who would have taken the job in April, 2006, that would have a done a better job than Mick.

It is time for you to admit that Mick was the best option, if not the only option, for the job in 2006.

Ralph, if you want to narrow it to a list of people who wanted the job, then give me that list and I'll let you know who would have done better. This has nothing to do with what I said. I said there are many coaches out there who would have done a better job than Mick...and that is a true statement. Mick has been average at best. I gave you the names, so if you want more, then give me the list of people who Mike Thomas considered and I'll tell which ones in that group would have been better. Enjoy your CBIT experience Ralph!

[BeastUC]

Ok... the term "5 star" means squat. How is that "5 star" recruit doing so far in games we could possibly win? Let us see... in our 7 losses, our "5 star" recruit is averaging 7 points a game. Goes to show "5 star" means nothing. Yes I understand he's a freshmen, but certainly if you're going to compare him to rest of the "5 star recruit" freshmen out there... he's been a disappointment. Kemba Walker looks like a pro out there, Gates looks like a deer in the headlights half the time.

Walker should look like a star with several other stars surrouding him.
Much like the other 5-star players we had.

[ralph1950]

Ralph, if you want to narrow it to a list of people who wanted the job, then give me that list and I'll let you know who would have done better. This has nothing to do with what I said. I said there are many coaches out there who would have done a better job than Mick...and that is a true statement. Mick has been average at best. I gave you the names, so if you want more, then give me the list of people who Mike Thomas considered and I'll tell which ones in that group would have been better. Enjoy your CBIT experience Ralph!

You do not know if any coach out there would have done a better job then Mick. You cannot say with certainty that Roy Williams or Coach K would have done as good as job as Mick given the circumstances of his hiring. Mick has been outstanding, the results have been outstanding, starting with nothing, playing in the Big East, and being competitive.

[ralph1950]

That was 06-07.... this is now, it's not gotten any better, it's gotten worse.


Wrong, it has gotten better each year, there will be more games won in 09 than 08, there were more games won in 08 than 07.

[Irishbearcat]

I'm giving Mick another year. If we play like similarly at this point next year, then I might have the same apathy I feel for the Bungles and Reds.