Senior Leadership

[slimm]

I thought this was worth discussing. MickDaMan brought it up, as Im sure a few others have, but I really didnt think much about it at first. Like most of you I was thinking we would be better this year and really compete in 09-10.
But after pondering the lack of senior leadership,and having the underclassmen watch and learn from the likes of a logan,martin, maxiell or hicks, how much has it hurt this team and coach cronin by not having those jrs/srs to lead the way?
yes, i tired of hearing "we are young" from cronin, but they are. he has no one to point to for yancy to learn from, except on tape. can you imagine gates now with max & hicks giving him crap in practice! another senior guard to spell vaughn for a few minutes so he can just run around and shoot?
so, without bring up previous coaching techniques,etc...what are your thoughts on the lack of seniors leadership (players that played,aka hicks,martin) that could have instilled that desire,toughness and bearcat pride that seems to be missing these past couple of years. how much of a factor has this been and where would/could we be had there been no missed recruiting years.
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[ralph1950]

I thought this was worth discussing. MickDaMan brought it up, as Im sure a few others have, but I really didnt think much about it at first. Like most of you I was thinking we would be better this year and really compete in 09-10.
But after pondering the lack of senior leadership,and having the underclassmen watch and learn from the likes of a logan,martin, maxiell or hicks, how much has it hurt this team and coach cronin by not having those jrs/srs to lead the way?
yes, i tired of hearing "we are young" from cronin, but they are. he has no one to point to for yancy to learn from, except on tape. can you imagine gates now with max & hicks giving him crap in practice! another senior guard to spell vaughn for a few minutes so he can just run around and shoot?
so, without bring up previous coaching techniques,etc...what are your thoughts on the lack of seniors leadership (players that played,aka hicks,martin) that could have instilled that desire,toughness and bearcat pride that seems to be missing these past couple of years. how much of a factor has this been and where would/could we be had there been no missed recruiting years.

The team is better this year and will compete in 2009-2010. Senior leadership is huge, see Marquette. The Bearcats will continue to get better and better.

[carolinacatfan]

I've mentioned this a couple times and believe it is a huge aspect in the developement of this team.

My question if anyone knows; How many former players has the current coaching staff reached out to for help? I think it's huge to have those former players stop by to show the tradition and to let everyone know what being a Bearcat is all about.

Not questioning the coach either, just curious. I know sometimes hard to track down the players just curious.

[Mick's Da Man]

This team just needs some young guys to step it up and get fire in their bellies. Bishop seems to be starting to do that. Dixon appears to be that type of player too. I'd like to see Yancy get that way and others. Determination to win comes from within. All the coaching in the world cannot make a player want to overachieve. Even great players overachieve because they believe they can. These players need to believe in themselves and believe they can win these games, and then will themselves to do so by playing hard and playing smart.

Once they beat one of these top teams, they will start to believe.

[behrlezt]

Yup...get one big upset win and we might just see this team turn it up a notch.

[jrmac151]

I am glad someone FINALLY brought this up!Watching another BEAST game earlier in the year the color guy made a couple of great points that were right on this line. The most telling and relevant to UC was how quickly the Freshman at this BEAST school (Pitt) school "grew up" because of the senior leadership as well as the practice against the upper classmen that are BEAST caliber and seasoned players. I am just amazed at the "long term " fans who question the teams sophmores etc. How many players have come into UC (yes , even in the Huggins era ) and were dominat right away? maybe one every year or so? loook around at the outstanding Fresh in the country, are they playing with 4 other fresh and sophmores? do they have senior leadership? I would bet on it.
I am not defending Mick to the end but jumping on him now is stupid. I agree, no PG is a HUGE mistake that I hope he never makes again. How long did we go with no PG until Huggs finally said "get me a PG!! Love the Cats and will be there as often as I can- coaching, money, work, you know the little things that get in the way but this is the best post I have read and I hope everyone reads the initial one (not mine). Think about it
GO CATS!!!!

[Not Guilty]

I've mentioned this a couple times and believe it is a huge aspect in the developement of this team.

My question if anyone knows; How many former players has the current coaching staff reached out to for help? I think it's huge to have those former players stop by to show the tradition and to let everyone know what being a Bearcat is all about.

Not questioning the coach either, just curious. I know sometimes hard to track down the players just curious.

A lot of guys have either been to practice or called in. I know Max and Kenyon have talked to Yancy quite a bit and I'm sure there are quite a few more who have been in touch.

[BearcatAlum1]

This team just needs some young guys to step it up and get fire in their bellies. Bishop seems to be starting to do that. Dixon appears to be that type of player too. I'd like to see Yancy get that way and others. Determination to win comes from within. All the coaching in the world cannot make a player want to overachieve. Even great players overachieve because they believe they can. These players need to believe in themselves and believe they can win these games, and then will themselves to do so by playing hard and playing smart.

Once they beat one of these top teams, they will start to believe.

I claimed that the players need to have a desire to achieve and reach success, and people laughed me off the thread.


Alum1

[BearcatAlum1]

A lot of guys have either been to practice or called in. I know Max and Kenyon have talked to Yancy quite a bit and I'm sure there are quite a few more who have been in touch.

Out of curiousity, where did you receive this information? If true, I'd imagine that legit NBA'ers can talk some sense into Mr. Gates. Then again, some kids don't want advice and think they know best.


Alum1

[Not Guilty]

Out of curiousity, where did you receive this information? If true, I'd imagine that legit NBA'ers can talk some sense into Mr. Gates. Then again, some kids don't want advice and think they know best.


Alum1

Just heard Mick talk about it before the Xavier game. A lot of guys stopped by or called in, but those are two names I remembered specifically.

[cspeed]

Can't agree more with the post. Upperclass leadership is probably the second most important thing that needs to happen to a program, behind talent. Look at all the good programs around the country, all of them have sr's, jr's leading the way. The Cats have good talent but no one to show them how to get the job done after they go through a rough time, or how to practice hard. Imagine if Yancy had Kenyon to practice against everyday !!!! Haaa !!! It'll take some time. These soph. and freshmen are going to be the ones to take this program to the next level, and that will be in the next 2 years after they reaize what it takes to play in the BE.

[Big B]

Out of curiousity, where did you receive this information? If true, I'd imagine that legit NBA'ers can talk some sense into Mr. Gates. Then again, some kids don't want advice and think they know best.


Alum1

I thought Kenyon disconnected himself from UC and asked that his Jersey be taken down off the wall. When did he have a change of heart?

[Joe C.]

Yancy's lack of desire, passion, effort, hustle, or whatever you want to call it, has been a knock on him since high school.

[Not Guilty]

I thought Kenyon disconnected himself from UC and asked that his Jersey be taken down off the wall. When did he have a change of heart?

Mick recruited Kenyon and was at UC his entire time there. I'm sure the fact that he was hired made Kenyon and others less angry with the Huggins situation.

[Scheids21]

Yup...get one big upset win and we might just see this team turn it up a notch.

Thats why Im very excited for Gtown. Im not EXPECTING to win but I believe the way GTowns been playing, weve got a shot at home.

[Bearcat John 69]

I've mentioned this a couple times and believe it is a huge aspect in the developement of this team.

My question if anyone knows; How many former players has the current coaching staff reached out to for help? I think it's huge to have those former players stop by to show the tradition and to let everyone know what being a Bearcat is all about.

Not questioning the coach either, just curious. I know sometimes hard to track down the players just curious.

i heard anthony buford on w/lance mcallister a few weeks ago. anthony did not name names, but he did say that when he is at practice, or some of the other ex players r there, that the current players kind of tune them out. if i am remembering correctly, anthony thought that was a result of no one on this team having a tie to anyone on a succesful bearcat team. vaughn is the oldest, and u have to go back to the previous season for the nit appearance.

[carolinacatfan]

i heard anthony buford on w/lance mcallister a few weeks ago. anthony did not name names, but he did say that when he is at practice, or some of the other ex players r there, that the current players kind of tune them out. if i am remembering correctly, anthony thought that was a result of no one on this team having a tie to anyone on a succesful bearcat team. vaughn is the oldest, and u have to go back to the previous season for the nit appearance.

That is a true shame! Maybe MC needs to get a few of them in here during the offseason and have them run a few games against the young cats. It doesn't have to be Kenyon or Max either. Maybe Nelson, "rat" gibson, burton, fortson, williamson and others to show what the heart of a bearcat is. I know he can't organize it but it would be sweet.

[booman'84]

I thought this was worth discussing. MickDaMan brought it up, as Im sure a few others have, but I really didnt think much about it at first. Like most of you I was thinking we would be better this year and really compete in 09-10.
But after pondering the lack of senior leadership,and having the underclassmen watch and learn from the likes of a logan,martin, maxiell or hicks, how much has it hurt this team and coach cronin by not having those jrs/srs to lead the way?
yes, i tired of hearing "we are young" from cronin, but they are. he has no one to point to for yancy to learn from, except on tape. can you imagine gates now with max & hicks giving him crap in practice! another senior guard to spell vaughn for a few minutes so he can just run around and shoot?
so, without bring up previous coaching techniques,etc...what are your thoughts on the lack of seniors leadership (players that played,aka hicks,martin) that could have instilled that desire,toughness and bearcat pride that seems to be missing these past couple of years. how much of a factor has this been and where would/could we be had there been no missed recruiting years.my point exactly i stated that on another post. folks seem to not know basketball. damn near everybody in big east has young team but the foundation was in place. ok our players will be more experienced next year and year after but it a be a losing experience. where is the hustle at? didnt know u had to be a senoir to do that. only player our young guys look up to is vaughn who is a loser and out of shape

[booman'84]

Yancy's lack of desire, passion, effort, hustle, or whatever you want to call it, has been a knock on him since high school.
dont think its like of desire. when u know ur good and the other players are weaker u seem to play down to there level. and when he do go hard the officials pick only on him

[BearcatAlum1]

Just heard Mick talk about it before the Xavier game. A lot of guys stopped by or called in, but those are two names I remembered specifically.

Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to talk shi*, just seeking verification.

I thought Kenyon disconnected himself from UC and asked that his Jersey be taken down off the wall. When did he have a change of heart?

I remember this as well. From what I have gathered, Mick is a "player's coach." This is what makes him a good recruiter, IMO. It wouldn't suprise me if past Bearcats began the healing process once MC was hired.

Yancy's lack of desire, passion, effort, hustle, or whatever you want to call it, has been a knock on him since high school.

As I've mentioned on other threads, the player must have the desire to improve his individual game. If the player doesn't have the fire, then there isn't much a coach can do. Yes, some coaches have the ability to turn a player from a rough stone into a diamond, but some players are just uncoachable. See D.Character(sp?) at Louisville. Supreme talent. Zero work ethic and drive.

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[BasketBySteveLogan]

Somebody fly ERIC HICKS into Cincinnati and pay him to get Yancy to turn into an aggressive MONSTER!

Imagine if Hicks was 6 foot 9! He woulda been a lottery pick

[BasketBySteveLogan]

my point exactly i stated that on another post. folks seem to not know basketball. damn near everybody in big east has young team but the foundation was in place. ok our players will be more experienced next year and year after but it a be a losing experience. where is the hustle at? didnt know u had to be a senoir to do that. only player our young guys look up to is vaughn who is a loser and out of shape


Deonta Vaughn is a loser and out of shape?? Really?? Dude come on.

[behrlezt]

HAHA wow.......Im pretty sure Deonta is a stud and cut as ****...