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Bearcat Chris

02-22-2009, 12:48 PM

All State punter from Cinti Hills Christian Academy, class of 2010, likely to commit. KC and staff have been all over this kid, and UC is at the top of his list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkTdcb8-2tY

B.C.

Bearcat85

02-22-2009, 02:57 PM

Even though they just signed a punter to an LOI in the class of '09?

shaunsimpson

02-22-2009, 03:09 PM

Don't see 2 punters on taking up 2 of the 85 only a year apart. Maybe he walks on, but can't see him getting an official offer.

Bcatfan08

02-22-2009, 03:30 PM

Maybe he'll be a grey shirt.

Doss

02-22-2009, 05:23 PM

Back on his feet (Perhaps he will get enough to pay his own tuition)
CHCA punter survives freak accident

In football, punters are defined by the steps they take. A two-step punter takes his first step with his kicking leg. A three-step punter takes the first step with his off leg.

John Lloyd is the punter for Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy, an all-Miami Valley Conference selection and an Enquirer first-team all-star in Divisions II-VI.

Ask him what kind of punter he is, and he'll tell you a lucky one.

One step nearly cost him his life.

On the weekend before Christmas, John was visiting relatives in Michigan, taking in a Red Wings game with a cousin and his college buddies. As they left Joe Louis Arena, John took out his cell phone and texted his mother to let her know they were on their way home. He slipped the phone into his back pocket, stepped up to the sidewalk and came down on a manhole cover.

An electric shock lifted him off the ground and deposited him in a heap on the snowy sidewalk.

Beneath that manhole cover, the Lloyd family said it later learned, lay corroded wiring, enough to deliver 480 volts of electricity through John's 6-foot-3, 230-pound frame.

"I felt a cramp in my left arm," John says, "and then I felt it shoot through my whole body. It was the worst pain I've ever felt."

John's cousin called 911, then his mother, Camille. Strangely, when John landed, his phone dialed the family's Evendale home, and his father, Steve, answered, only to hear the commotion. Steve hung up and dialed Camille and learned what had happened. John lay there until an ambulance arrived. He never lost consciousness, but movement was out of the question; the shock had exhausted his muscles.

"It basically shut my whole body down," John says.

That's typical of electric shock injuries, according to Dr. Ben Wedro, a LaCrosse, Wis.-based emergency physician who runs the medical resource site mddirect.org.

"Electricity follows the path of least resistance, so tissues with lots of water and electrolytes transmit the electrical charge. That means skin, muscle and blood vessels are good conduits," he says. "AC electricity has a tendency to cause repeated muscle contractions, or tetany, and cause significant muscle injury and breakdown."

If the affected muscles are the diaphragm and chest wall, Wedro says, breathing can be compromised; if it's the heart, arrhythmia or cardiac arrest can result.

John was in the trauma unit at Detroit Receiving Hospital for 14 hours, undergoing an exhaustive battery of tests. Though initially his heartbeat was slightly irregular, his movement had returned. Other than extreme fatigue and soreness, he was fine, and he was released the next day.

John's heartbeat since has returned to normal, tests last week showed.

"The doctors seemed surprised that I made it through with no serious medical issues," he says.

What saved John? Several factors:

His size and overall good physical condition.

Being thrown clear of the manhole cover, thus avoiding a second surge. "In AC injuries, the victim is often unable to get away from the exposure, and there is prolonged contact," Wedro says. "The longer the contact, the more potential for injury."

His gym shoes, which have extra rubber support in the heel and absorbed some of the surge. The brand? Nike Shox. The Lloyds have had a few wry laughs about that.

Two weeks after the incident, they manage to find some humor in it. "As a father, I can't help but wonder if it might add 5 yards to his punts and 3 miles an hour to his fastball," Steve says. "Is that wrong?"

Of course, it could have ended differently, and the family is grateful it didn't.

They returned to the scene a day later and were relieved to find a crew working on the problem.

They said the crew filled in some blanks for them, such as the faulty wiring and the amount of voltage involved.

While such incidents seem rare, they're not unprecedented. There have been several reports of dogs being electrocuted by stray voltage in recent years, and in 2004 a New York woman was electrocuted when she and her dogs stepped on a charged manhole cover.

Steve said the family has spoken to an attorney, but not as a precursor to litigation. He said they wanted to pursue the correct channels to make sure what happened to John doesn't happen again.

"I'm glad this happened to me," John says, "and not somebody else who could have been critically injured, or even killed."

Forsure21

02-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Im all for having the best punter we can get. Special teams is very IMPORTANT!

bearcatd

02-23-2009, 11:06 AM

Isn't this year's recruit a kicker too? This might be our future kick and punt tandem...or at least competition.

bearcatbret

02-24-2009, 08:45 AM

I thought that this year's recruit was a punter first a kicker second. We lost both our punter this year and our back-up kicker. Maybe this year's recruit is intended to do the punting while competing with Rogers for the kicking. Maybe Lloyd is intended to be the competition for the new kid.

Montrell

02-24-2009, 10:07 AM

I would imagine if they went after any kicker this year it would be Tony Miliano at Elder. He's supposed to be one of the top kickers in the country in the Class of 2010. I read about 70% of his kicks were touchbacks last year.

bearcattom

08-08-2009, 09:44 PM

Update on this thread...

I spoke to his teammates this week and John Lloyd has Florida as his top choice. He got looks from USC (too far away), Texas, and Ohio State.

UC is considered his backup plan.

Sorry guys...

NorrisHopper30

08-09-2009, 12:51 AM

We got 2 punters this year.

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick

08-09-2009, 04:51 AM

We got 2 punters this year.

According to Spring practice commentary, we have 0 punters.

NorrisHopper30

08-09-2009, 05:03 AM

O' Donnell?

Bearcat Chris

08-09-2009, 11:18 AM

shaunsimpson

08-09-2009, 11:23 AM

I would have said there is no way that UC would offer another kicker this year, but they did offer Drew Basil. I wonder if O'Donnell is going to be a kicker or a punter? I know that Basil was projected to be both, but mainly a kicker. BCL also reported another walkon that may be with the team in a kicking capacity later this year, but until it is public I won't mention who it is.

milfordcats

08-09-2009, 02:18 PM

I would offer him. Let him and O'Donnel fight it out for playing time. This kid has some serious talent and BKs whole theme is keeping the talent at home

bearcattom

08-09-2009, 04:34 PM

Look guys, I spoke with his dad. That slick highlight video on YouTube I was paid to make for him. I think I know what I am talking about. He wants UC. All he is waiting for is an offer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkTdcb8-2tY

B.C.

That might be true but UF and Texas want him as well and I got that directly from one his close friends.

I don't think KC needed a YouTube video to know of this young man....maybe just maybe it was to get noticed nationally since CHCA is D5.

Also, any update on KC's endorsement as HC once BK leaves...

bearcatbret

08-09-2009, 05:57 PM

I was a bit confused on the holds. Sometimes it was number 3 other times it was number 58. Does the kid wear both numbers?

subflea

08-09-2009, 07:18 PM

Look guys, I spoke with his dad. That slick highlight video on YouTube I was paid to make for him. I think I know what I am talking about. He wants UC. All he is waiting for is an offer.

B.C.

We already have a punter on scholarship so it is unlikely we offer another one this year, especially when we only have a few scholarships left to offer. If he is really waiting for a UC offer, he is going to be waiting for a very long time.

Lobot

08-09-2009, 07:20 PM

Everything I've heard is that this is Kevin Huber all over again. We need to get him and you do need 2 punters on the roster in case of injury.

subflea

08-09-2009, 08:07 PM

Everything I've heard is that this is Kevin Huber all over again. We need to get him and you do need 2 punters on the roster in case of injury.

But you don't use a scholarship on more than one. We have other needs that are more pressing. O'Donnel was one of the top punters in the country last season and is already taking a scholarship. We only have three scholarships available right now, and we need recievers. Some more will likely open up, and if all our other needs are met first, then we can offer this kid, but not yet.

Lobot

08-09-2009, 09:12 PM

But you don't use a scholarship on more than one. We have other needs that are more pressing. O'Donnel was one of the top punters in the country last season and is already taking a scholarship. We only have three scholarships available right now, and we need recievers. Some more will likely open up, and if all our other needs are met first, then we can offer this kid, but not yet.

Ok, I'll have to agree with that at least to an extent but I hate to let this kid get out of our area.

bearcatbret

08-10-2009, 09:18 AM

Rogers has been practicing at the punter position so he could be the backup. Also, the kid from X could also punt. I am not trying to down play how good this kid could be. I also do not know how good the kid from Florida can be. I will leave it up to BK to get the best players he can.

bearcatchrisfan

08-11-2009, 10:49 AM

OK, here's some info...

I coached John Lloyd a few years back. Great kid. He was thumping 'em 40 yards as a 6th grader. I didn't realize how valuable that was until he was gone.

I spoke to his dad at a 7on7 a few weeks ago. Said John's been all over the place. Invited to and punted at Illinois, Northwestern, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, UC, Florida, Vandy, Texas. Few others I can't remember. Said Florida's 'Friday Night Lights' was awesome. John was the only punter invited. Has been told he's #2 or #3 on every "board". Attended a 3 day Invitational camp. 130 punters invited and attended. John finished 5th. Guys above and below him have committed to places like USC, Michigan State, others. One kid has 15 offers, but hasn't committed.

He plays several other positions, which explains why he needs to wear two numbers sometimes. He's a QB/TE/DE/OL/H...

Great kid, great family, good student, darned good punter. We should grab him...

bearcatchrisfan

08-30-2009, 01:01 AM

Ran into John Lloyd's dad today at a JV game. John punted 7 times last night with a 44.7 yard average. Long was 69 and another 50. Two downed at the 1 foot line. Not surprised. Also played OT (1st time ever) all night against Jibreel Black. Love to have him downtown next year...

Pruke

08-30-2009, 11:32 AM

Everything I've heard is that this is Kevin Huber all over again. We need to get him and you do need 2 punters on the roster in case of injury.

At 6' 3", 240#, he could be a special teamer to boot.

bearcatchrisfan

10-18-2009, 12:48 AM

Came across this clip. Audio starts at the 17 second mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuycnkQszg

I hope they are talking...

udonkey

10-18-2009, 01:16 AM

nm...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

bearcatbret

10-18-2009, 10:36 AM

We have a freshman punter and a junior punter. Do you red shirt him next year?

bearcatchrisfan

10-27-2009, 01:07 AM

Bearcat Chris

10-27-2009, 05:20 AM

I had told John's dad that I would try to see John punt before the season ended. I was able to do that last Friday night.

He punted once in the first half. It was a 54 yarder, great hangtime and into the wind at that. I stayed and watched him warm up for the second half. He was hitting bombs, then moved over to kicker where he was nailing 55 yarders. Just missed on two 60 attempts. I think they also have an all state kicker from last year, so I think John just punts, holds and kicks off once in a while.

I left just before the second half began. I think CHCA won 60 something to 20 something. Rumor in the crowd was that Miami and a few others were there to watch him as well.

We need to grab this kid.

I am telling you, I have never seen a better h.s. punter, ever.... This kid is strong, smart, big (even plays OT), and will be the best punter UC will ever has had, and we have had some good ones. I hope BK makes that offer before Miami does.

B.C.
P.S. I like your "handle". Is it my good looks, or my abilities with the women you are a fan of?

Bearcat John 69

10-27-2009, 02:29 PM

I had told John's dad that I would try to see John punt before the season ended. I was able to do that last Friday night.

He punted once in the first half. It was a 54 yarder, great hangtime and into the wind at that. I stayed and watched him warm up for the second half. He was hitting bombs, then moved over to kicker where he was nailing 55 yarders. Just missed on two 60 attempts. I think they also have an all state kicker from last year, so I think John just punts, holds and kicks off once in a while.

I left just before the second half began. I think CHCA won 60 something to 20 something. Rumor in the crowd was that Miami and a few others were there to watch him as well.

We need to grab this kid.

if chca's kicker and punter are both this good, who is coaching them? sounds like they could be the new kicking coach at uc.

bearcatchrisfan

10-27-2009, 10:02 PM

I asked the same question when I saw them both warming up last Friday night. It's Zak Wyche, son of former coach Sam. You may have heard of him...

The snapper is excellent, too. Apparently the three of them have been doing this together since 7th grade. PAT's are automatic. Together, they gotta be best in the state (or states)...

bearcatchrisfan

11-08-2009, 08:56 PM

I came across this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CmKUzA5JjA

NorrisHopper30

11-08-2009, 10:58 PM

That thing went 70 yards in the air. Nice leg.

bearcatchrisfan

12-04-2009, 12:41 AM

Ran into John's dad earlier today. John has so far been named First Team All Conference, First Team All District and First Team All State.

He's up for a few all star games as well.

Somebody at the Nip needs to move quickly, I think...

MST83

12-04-2009, 02:12 AM

His name was checked off on the recruit list at the IL game.

subflea

12-04-2009, 11:22 AM

He would be a fine preferred walk on. If he wants a scholarship, he will have to look somewhere else.

bearcatchrisfan

01-15-2010, 12:42 AM

John was offered by LOUISVILLE this week.

subflea

01-15-2010, 01:04 AM

Good for him. Unfortunately we don't have room for another punter on scholarship, so unless he wants to walk on at UC I hope he has a nice career at Louisville or where ever he chooses to go..

Bearcat Chris

01-15-2010, 08:30 AM

John was offered by LOUISVILLE this week.

Passing up on John Lloyd is idiotic. He is the best punter in the state. Had we had a good punter, we would have beat OSU in 2002. Butch Jones, if you read this board, please offer this kid before he signs with Louisville. I know he wants UC, so you still have time.

B.C.

subflea

01-15-2010, 08:06 PM

There just isn't enough room to use another scholarship on a punter.

leeey

01-21-2010, 10:41 AM

...Now that he's going to visit this weekend (Per Mike Dyer's Twitter):

CHCA senior punter John Lloyd expected to visit UC this weekend and Louisville next weekend

milfordcats

01-21-2010, 10:44 AM

...Now that he's going to visit this weekend (Per Mike Dyer's Twitter):

It's over on the football forum but it probably should be moved over here.

Don't think we offer him a scholarship but it would be HUGE if we could get him on as a preferred walk-on.

Thegreatone

01-21-2010, 11:06 AM

He will be asked to be a preferred walk-on. 0 % chance he gets offered a scholorship. We do not have the scholorships to offer.

shaunsimpson

01-21-2010, 11:22 AM

I figured out how to change the subject name!!!

This should have all posts from other thread in it as well.

subflea

01-21-2010, 12:07 PM

Yep, I expect him to get a preferred walk on offer. Then it becomes a tough decision. Go to the school you want to go to (if reports from earlier in this thread are right about him wanting to go to UC) and pay for at least a year maybe more depending on the scholarship situation, or go get a free ride at Louisville. If it was just a MAC scholarship offer it would probably be a bit easier to turn down to get a chance to play BCS football.

GoCats1994

01-21-2010, 01:14 PM

DCrack

01-21-2010, 01:35 PM

Very few kickers are offered scholarships out of H.S. unless they are very special. This kid looks the part and still may receive scholarship from UC but will probably be Feb 1st or Feb 2nd when the staff knows who's going to sign,pulls some offers, or knows definitely who's not returning to roster.

shaunsimpson

01-21-2010, 01:48 PM

Jmac84

01-21-2010, 04:39 PM

The only way I see him getting an offer is if O'Donnel doesn't come back and I can't see that not happening.

Wait, so you can't see that not happening, or you can't see that happening? Lloyd seems like a guy that we should try to find a scholarship for if we can. Remember BK being asked who he missed most from the 2008 team? He didn't hesitate in saying Kevin Huber. We've all seen what a top punter can do for a team and I really don't know why less emphasis is placed on the position in recruiting. I guess because there are so few good ones? Lloyd looks like he's the real deal to me though (admittedly, I have only seen highlight tapes).

cincy34

01-21-2010, 04:46 PM

OK...I think I might be confused.

I was of the understanding is that a "preferred walk-on" was someone that you did not need to offer a scholarship to.

Perhaps they are on an academic full ride...perhaps one of his parents works at the school and tuition is paid for...something like that. In other words...they are absolutely considered part of the team...but you don't need to burn one of the allotted scholly's on the player.

Is my understanding incorrect?

A prefferred walk-on by definition is very vague. It is someone that you do not offer a scholly to but would like to walk on the team with a verbal agreement that the player will make the team. Prefferred walk-ons are typically garaunteed a spot on the team 90% of the time, with the incentive of either earning a scholarship at a later date, or as you explained...can receive financial aid through other means. The prefferred walk on status is more like a negotiation between the player and coach and varies with each "offer".

shaunsimpson

01-21-2010, 04:53 PM

Wait, so you can't see that not happening, or you can't see that happening? Lloyd seems like a guy that we should try to find a scholarship for if we can. Remember BK being asked who he missed most from the 2008 team? He didn't hesitate in saying Kevin Huber. We've all seen what a top punter can do for a team and I really don't know why less emphasis is placed on the position in recruiting. I guess because there are so few good ones? Lloyd looks like he's the real deal to me though (admittedly, I have only seen highlight tapes).

Sorry, I can't see that happening. The problem is that you get 85 scholarships and to use two on punter puts you in a bad position. Most of the time they will earn scholarships in the 2nd or 3rd year if they end up starting over the chancellorship player.

milfordcats

01-24-2010, 08:42 PM

subflea

01-24-2010, 09:06 PM

Well according to rivals Lloyd received and offer and committed.

Not sure how I feel about using another scholarship on a K/P...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/cincinnati/football/recruiting/player-John-Lloyd-96786

He may not have got a scholarship, there are conflicting reports on that.

subflea

01-24-2010, 10:20 PM

Just got confirmation that it was an offer to walk on, not a scholarship offer to Lloyd.

jkwuc89

01-24-2010, 10:22 PM

Well according to rivals Lloyd received and offer and committed.

Not sure how I feel about using another scholarship on a K/P...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/cincinnati/football/recruiting/player-John-Lloyd-96786

See Kevin Huber, All-American Punter who was a HUGE factor in UC's first Big East championship.

udonkey

01-24-2010, 11:56 PM

If this kid is half the punter/kicker that Bearcat Chris has hyped him up to be, our special teams appear to be in good hands for a while. Nice work to the recruiting staff!

milfordcats

01-25-2010, 12:26 AM

See Kevin Huber, All-American Punter who was a HUGE factor in UC's first Big East championship.

No I get how important a Punter is to a football team, I just wasnt sure why we were offering another scholarship to a P when we already have Rogers, O'Donnel, and Milligan at the K/P spots with Miliano also committed.

I'm glad to have as many good special teamers as we can handle though!

Jmac84

01-25-2010, 05:58 AM

Seems like he'll be a good addition to the team.

Bearcat Chris

01-26-2010, 08:43 AM

shaunsimpson

01-26-2010, 09:24 AM

How is hang time on punts? I don't know how to judge that at all.

GoCats1994

01-26-2010, 09:50 AM

Looks like he's got a strong leg

They'll teach him how to get more hang time

DCrack

01-26-2010, 11:58 AM

Don't they usually look for hang time to be at or over 4 seconds.

milfordcats

01-26-2010, 07:37 PM

Don't they usually look for hang time to be at or over 4 seconds.

Over 4 is good. I wanna say 4.5ish is a good hang-time.

subflea

01-27-2010, 12:40 PM

Watch this video, and then tell me if you don't agree that this kid will be playing in the NFL someday. This is a huge pickup, and glad UL didn't get him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_heFDW-MUQ

B.C.

I would love for him to go to the NFL since it would mean he had a great career as a Bearcat. That being said, it is far too early to make predictions like that.

subflea

01-27-2010, 12:42 PM

How is hang time on punts? I don't know how to judge that at all.

From the videos I have seen of him, that is the biggest area of concern with him. He does have a huge leg, so it should be an issue that can be resolved rather easily with good coaching.

shaunsimpson

01-27-2010, 01:07 PM

Do special teams players get any kind of real coaching in high school or is it all summer camps?

subflea

01-27-2010, 05:48 PM

Do special teams players get any kind of real coaching in high school or is it all summer camps?

Most of them just get it in camps. I am sure there are a few schools out there that have former kickers working with the kids, but that is not the norm. Even in college, most kids make improvements from what they learn with specialized kicking coaches and camps they attend over the summer. Special teams coaches are there more for developing schemes than working on kicking technique.