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Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-11-2007, 12:08 PM

Scuttlebutt has it that Jason Henry will not qualify to play and Wilks will enter UC a year early to take his spot.

Scuttlebutt? Where is that coming from? Are they putting him on academic aid of some kind? I suppose it would be a good thing, but, it also would have been nice to have BOTH of them and wait a year for Wilks. It sounds like Henry really messed up.

subflea

07-11-2007, 12:12 PM

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/SPT0101/307110025

SLMadiCat

07-11-2007, 12:19 PM

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/SPT0101/307110025

Cronin made it sound like this was the plan all along and it was up to Wilks. So what would have happened if Henry was (or is) eligible?

Mick's Da Man

07-11-2007, 12:20 PM

Maybe Henry will get his act together with another year of prep school and sign for '08? Is that a possibility?

I'm excited to have Wilks for this season. It speeds up the development of the next wave of players after the JUCO's finish up this season.

One could project a lineup in '08-'09 of Vaughn (junior), Mitchell (sophomore), Wilks (sophomore), Mike Williams (Senior), and McClain (sophomore). Throw in Rashad Bishop and Gates (Frosh) off the bench, and I"ll take that lineup. Wilks, Mitchell, and McClain will get their growing pains completed this season.

subflea

07-11-2007, 12:24 PM

Henry was such a long shot from the beginning I don't Mick worried about that.

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-11-2007, 12:32 PM

Henry was such a long shot from the beginning I don't Mick worried about that.

Wouldn't it be great if Henry DOES make it? It sounds like Wilks is in school on something other than a LOI. Wouldn't that make him a "walk-on"? Couldn't they both play without losing a scholly?

MikeInClifton

07-11-2007, 12:37 PM

Wilks is in. Henry is out. Confirmed.

I dont foresee Henry being a Bearcat.

subflea

07-11-2007, 12:58 PM

Wouldn't it be great if Henry DOES make it? It sounds like Wilks is in school on something other than a LOI. Wouldn't that make him a "walk-on"? Couldn't they both play without losing a scholly?

No, he is not a walkon. He is on scholarship. An LOI is just a commitment to take the scholarship offered. After the LOI signing period is over a student athlete can still enroll in school on a scholarship which does go against your total number of scholarships.
If Henry were to make it (not going to happen), we would be over the scholarship limit.

Thegreatone

07-11-2007, 01:14 PM

james jr

07-11-2007, 01:17 PM

What do you feel Mick will do if Henry does make eligibility or is there definitive information that he has failed?

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-11-2007, 01:23 PM

This immediately makes us a better team. All this means is more for 08' and we just landed another big stud. Will he be in the Deveroe's league? That would be sweet. This makes us a stronger program IMO. I am very pleased with this announcement.

Does it really make us better than if we'd had Henry? How do they compare? Henry is pretty highly ranked. Is Wilks better?

Mick's Da Man

07-11-2007, 01:26 PM

Both Wilks and Henry are ranked #52 by competing recruiting services.

shaunsimpson

07-11-2007, 01:29 PM

My personal opinion (from things that I read) is that the team will be in a better position than it would have been because Henry hasn't been expected to make the grades for a while. It took me a while for it to sink in that this is a good thing because it Henry would have just caused a hole in the roster.

Long term.....this is good news if we can use Wilks to bring in another quality player in 2008 or the team is better next year and we can start getting some 2009 players in the fold. If we end up using the 2008 scholorship on a lower level player to fill out a roster than it is a loss IMO. I have faith that Mick will use this to his advantage.

Once it is realized that Henry was a mythical player much like many top level recruits in UC's history then it will show to be a short term positive and a long term unknown.

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-11-2007, 01:30 PM

Both Wilks and Henry are ranked #52 by competing recruiting services.

That's my point. I don't see how this makes us better...only different. Don't get me wrong...I'm extremely happy we have one of them, anyway. And, I know that we'll get someone else for next year to replace Wilks.

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-11-2007, 01:32 PM

Bearcat Cafe

07-11-2007, 01:34 PM

It puts a top 50 caliber player on the roster who won't be this year's version of Vincent Banks. Plus, it frees Cronin up to go after some really good wing plyers in 08' that we may not have been able to afford with the limited open scholarships and the positional needs we needed to address in that class.

MikeInClifton

07-11-2007, 01:46 PM

I don't see how this makes us better...only different.

I agree. I've seen both Henry and Wilks play, and Wilks is closer to a SF and Henry is closer to an SG. Wilks will choose a drive into the lane before shooting a trey and Henry is the opposite.

Kindog202

07-11-2007, 02:02 PM

Does Wilks make UC better, worse or is it a wash between Wilks and Henry?

bearcatn8

07-11-2007, 02:10 PM

Assuming Henry was never going to qualify, it could not have worked out better for UC. Henry's spot is being taken by a roughly equivalent player (talent wise) and his scholarship does not have to sit unused for a year or, worse, get filled by a late signee who really has no business playing in the Big East. As has been posted already, let's hope Cronin uses the freed up scholly wisely (I have faith he will).

Inchickinkick

07-11-2007, 02:15 PM

we all can except that statement.

jkwuc89

07-11-2007, 02:29 PM

From the Cincinnati Enquirer:

UC recruit ready for '07 (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/SPT0101/307110025)

Inchickinkick

07-11-2007, 03:44 PM

i guess thats micks backup plan>

Thegreatone

07-11-2007, 04:04 PM

Anybody know if he will join the summer league?

columbus_bearcat

07-11-2007, 04:08 PM

I believe he will be playing on Saturday.

Bearcat Fan Since 1958

07-11-2007, 05:19 PM

No, he is not a walkon. He is on scholarship. An LOI is just a commitment to take the scholarship offered. After the LOI signing period is over a student athlete can still enroll in school on a scholarship which does go against your total number of scholarships.
If Henry were to make it (not going to happen), we would be over the scholarship limit.

The LOI is null and void if the athlete doesn't qualify academically. UC is no longer bound to provide a scholarship if that happens.

Bearcat1982

07-11-2007, 05:25 PM

....also with Wilks it sounds like we'll have a player where we won't be crossing our fingers and hoping he makes grades. It seems he has learned what he needs to do, to get it done. I never got the impression that Henry understood the urgency of making the grade

SLMadiCat

07-11-2007, 08:12 PM

How is this? I figured Henry was more ready to play than Wilks is, as of now. Unless you mean by the fact that Henry had no chance to play to begin with.

I do think it could be better since Mick has had more time to focus on 2008 and can possibly get better players. He has missed out on a couple already, but I still think he is in on so many that he can fill the class with top notch talent. Credit should definitely go to Mick for having a backup plan all along.

SLMadiCat

07-11-2007, 08:28 PM

Wilks is in. Henry is out. Confirmed.

I dont foresee Henry being a Bearcat.

Mike, are you saying that you confirmed Henry is out, or just that Wilks is in? I ask because I saw on Josh's blog that Mick said this had nothing to do with Henry.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/cincybearcats/

Bearcat Cafe

07-12-2007, 09:01 AM

How is this? I figured Henry was more ready to play than Wilks is, as of now. Unless you mean by the fact that Henry had no chance to play to begin with.

Henry was probably ready to contribute initially more than Wilks will. However, sounds like Henry would have faltered eventually. Million dollar game with a .10 cent work ethic.

james jr

07-12-2007, 11:57 AM

I agree. I've seen both Henry and Wilks play, and Wilks is closer to a SF and Henry is closer to an SG. Wilks will choose a drive into the lane before shooting a trey and Henry is the opposite.

Thanks Mike that's excellent information. I prefer Wilks' approach as in the BE it is important to put pressure on the rim to negate the affect of the big men in the conference and get them into foul trouble. GO CATS!!!

SLMadiCat

07-12-2007, 12:45 PM

Thanks Keith. I moved my post.

jkwuc89

07-12-2007, 02:39 PM

This thread is supposed to be about Henry and Wilks. If you want to chat about Banks, go to the "Where are they now" thread where I will be moving the Banks related posts on this thread.

Inchickinkick

07-19-2007, 12:15 PM

there still could be a spot for jason henry

UCbball21

07-19-2007, 12:55 PM

there still could be a spot for jason henry

I hope so, but it looks doubtful...

nachoman91

07-19-2007, 01:24 PM

Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is crazy. UC just lost a Top 50 player any way you look at it.

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-19-2007, 01:53 PM

Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is crazy. UC just lost a Top 50 player any way you look at it.

That's my opinion too. Now, Cronin has to replace him in next years' class. Plus, Henry was probably more ready to contribute immediately this year than Wilks is.

Inchickinkick

07-19-2007, 02:49 PM

Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is crazy. UC just lost a Top 50 player any way you look at it.

darnell wilks could be a better armien kirkland.
he could a starter.

Bearcat Cafe

07-19-2007, 02:58 PM

Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is crazy. UC just lost a Top 50 player any way you look at it.

Can you really lose a player who had about zero chance of attaining the Big East entrance requirements? They took a wild gamble and backed up their bet with another top 50 type player. That's a good thing.

Oldtimer_UC_fan

07-19-2007, 04:37 PM

Can you really lose a player who had about zero chance of attaining the Big East entrance requirements? They took a wild gamble and backed up their bet with another top 50 type player. That's a good thing.

Of course it's a good thing. But, it doesn't take away from the loss of Henry. It would have been nice to have them both.

jeffto

07-20-2007, 10:31 AM

Is Henry out for sure?

Jtarchcincy

07-20-2007, 11:11 AM

Is Henry out for sure?

Not yet... nothing will be "official" until after summer school grades are official... Probably sometime in August.

Irishbearcat

07-21-2007, 08:05 PM

I, like the coaches, don't believe Henry will ever suit up as a Bearcat.

Inchickinkick

08-07-2007, 09:42 AM

As of August 7 2007 any news news about Jason Henry?

Jtarchcincy

08-07-2007, 01:47 PM

Wilks is in, Henry is out and McClain is on campus and eligible. Won't be any press releases on any of them...

CincyBearcat95

08-08-2007, 04:03 PM

Wilks is in, Henry is out and McClain is on campus and eligible. Won't be any press releases on any of them...

Fact or your opinion? If fact, source? Hard to tell from you post.

Jtarchcincy

08-08-2007, 04:56 PM

Fact or your opinion? If fact, source? Hard to tell from you post.

Fact. McClain and Wilks are both on campus and practicing with the team this week. Visually verified by many people. Henry didn't make grades and word is that he will be going Juco in Arkansas... Reguardless of where Henry ends up, he won't be a Bearcat in 07'. That is a fact as well. He didn't make grades and all 13 schollys are filled with Wilks officially on campus.

FYI, there is a lot more talk about McClain being on campus on other "free" UC boards. More info on all 3 above mentioned on the pay sites.

CincyBearcat95

08-08-2007, 06:02 PM

Fact. McClain and Wilks are both on campus and practicing with the team this week. Visually verified by many people. Henry didn't make grades and word is that he will be going Juco in Arkansas... Reguardless of where Henry ends up, he won't be a Bearcat in 07'. That is a fact as well. He didn't make grades and all 13 schollys are filled with Wilks officially on campus.

FYI, there is a lot more talk about McClain being on campus on other "free" UC boards. More info on all 3 above mentioned on the pay sites.

Makes sense - I was most interested in Henry. Others have surmised that if he did make grades, we'd make room by bumping someone else off of a scholly. Do you think he may play 1 year at a JUCO and try to get back next year or are we done with him?

Jtarchcincy

08-08-2007, 06:18 PM

From all I've heard and read, if Henry didn't make grades, UC was done with him. That's my educated opinion, but no one seems to think he'll ever be a Bearcat.

Inchickinkick

08-12-2007, 10:10 AM

What kind of grades do these kids need too make?
When i was young, We needed a 2.0 too play and
17 credits too continue on.

Bearcat Fan Since 1958

08-12-2007, 11:49 AM

What kind of grades do these kids need too make?
When i was young, We needed a 2.0 too play and
17 credits too continue on.

Now there's a sliding scale. 2.0 GPA and a higher test score qualifies. Or (up to) 2.5 GPA and a lower test score also qualifies.

Bearcat Cafe

08-13-2007, 12:34 PM

Here is the info straight fromn the NCAA clearinghouse website. Check page 2 of the PDF for to the tenth of a point GPA sliding scale info. Enjoy.

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/membership_svcs/eligibility-recruiting/faqs/ie_quick_ref.pdf