Out of Gas

[cincycat1]

I was debating the end of the Cats season yesterday with a guy i work with and he said that UC just ran out of gas...... Is it really that simple? Do we just not have the horses yet that we need to compete in march.... We lost 6 of our last 7 this year and as previously mentioned on this site we are 0-10 in march under Mick Cronin. I think there is some truth to his statement im just not sure how much.

[catsfan32]

its def something we all need to look at. Maybe these kids were simply worn out and it just seemed like their effort wasnt there. All of them are young, other than DV and Mike being off for two years so they all dont know what it takes to play significantly for 30+ games. Maybe the talent just isnt there, who knows but i def think this team was physically beaten down after WVU and had nothing left in the tank.

[catscratchfever]

How many threads are we going to open relating to the same topic?
Just by recollection, I think we now have threads of the following titles:

Call out the players instead of mick
The main reason we lost to DePaul
Alvin needs to go
The sad truth
I have had time to think
Depaul post game
Maybe Mick lost on purpose
Cooling off
Out of gas

[TheLivingLegend]

its def something we all need to look at. Maybe these kids were simply worn out and it just seemed like their effort wasnt there. All of them are young, other than DV and Mike being off for two years so they all dont know what it takes to play significantly for 30+ games. Maybe the talent just isnt there, who knows but i def think this team was physically beaten down after WVU and had nothing left in the tank.

Agreed, this team defiantly ran out of steam towards the end of the year. DV playing the minutes he has to play is going to ware you down. However this by far is not the only issue.

[coach]

i'm not convinced that it as much running out of gas, as having a very limited number of options that catch up with you. last year, they ran out of gas more so as gentry and mitchell went out and williamson struggled with his knees. we somewhat compensated for it as we had a point guard and vaughn had a better shot of carrying us.

this year, we're very similar to kentucky's situation. no pg and a 2 guard who you have to have light it up every night trying/having to do too much. unless, other guys step up regularly, and they haven't for both teams, you get fairly easy to defend once it becomes clear who you can leave open, who can't handle the ball, etc.. teams are not that clear on that in november and december, but it becomes clear later in the year. you have to have more than 1 or 2 options at the top level of bball, and we haven't gotten it nor has kentucky in critical parts of the year.

[vabearcat]

You mean the horrible DePaul team had more in the tank than the 9th seeded Bearcats? Enough to beat us by 10 points?

[slimm]

big difference between running out of gas and not caring to pull in to begin with

[Lobot]

big difference between running out of gas and not caring to pull in to begin with

I think the answer is it was both.

[cincycpaw]

I think the answer is it was both.

How do teenagers "run out of gas" exactly?

This is over a 5 month time frame, they didn't play all these games in 1 day.

I think "Ran out of Gas" really means "stop caring".

[Bearcat85]

My son is a swimmer (as was my daughter.) They get up at 5 every morning to practice before school, and then practice again after school. Basically, they bust their butts for 4 months, all gearing towards the sectionals/districts/state. These kids have their best times at the end of the year. I can't even imagine them putting in all that work, and then basically dog-paddling in their "post-season".

I have a very hard time buying into this "out of gas" stuff. If they cared, they wouldn't even notice. You can turn on the TV any given night of the week this time of year, and see plenty of teams running around like energizer bunnies. How come they aren't "out of gas"?

There's a difference between being phyically worn down, or too deep into the talent pool due to injuries, resulting in a failure to win games, and just plain not showing up. They haven't shown up; especially in NY. I'm sorry; their attitude stinks and there's nothing else to it.

[Thegreatone]

How do teenagers "run out of gas" exactly?

This is over a 5 month time frame, they didn't play all these games in 1 day.

I think "Ran out of Gas" really means "stop caring".

I cant stand this arguement. Just because they are 18-23 years old doesnt mean they dont get tired. It happens. Dont tell me when you were 20 it would have never happened because it does. DV is straight up tired. Mike got hurt.

[LongTimer]

I was debating the end of the Cats season yesterday with a guy i work with and he said that UC just ran out of gas...... Is it really that simple? Do we just not have the horses yet that we need to compete in march.... We lost 6 of our last 7 this year and as previously mentioned on this site we are 0-10 in march under Mick Cronin. I think there is some truth to his statement im just not sure how much.

lol...that was always the excuse as to why we always lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA, because Huggs worked them so hard...3 hour practices, that they ran out of gas. When Mick's teams run out of gas, I guess we can look forward to no tournaments or the CBIT, because his are running out of gas during the season. I would rather have a coach that keeps the tank full into March!

[LongTimer]

My son is a swimmer (as was my daughter.) They get up at 5 every morning to practice before school, and then practice again after school. Basically, they bust their butts for 4 months, all gearing towards the sectionals/districts/state. These kids have their best times at the end of the year. I can't even imagine them putting in all that work, and then basically dog-paddling in their "post-season".

I have a very hard time buying into this "out of gas" stuff. If they cared, they wouldn't even notice. You can turn on the TV any given night of the week this time of year, and see plenty of teams running around like energizer bunnies. How come they aren't "out of gas"?

There's a difference between being phyically worn down, or too deep into the talent pool due to injuries, resulting in a failure to win games, and just plain not showing up. They haven't shown up; especially in NY. I'm sorry; their attitude stinks and there's nothing else to it.

Can't shoot, poor attitudes, no talent.....who is recruiting these players??

[Doss]

recruiter got them. I was told he was the best when he had Pitino or Huggs to close.

Can't shoot, poor attitudes, no talent.....who is recruiting these players??

[uctau21]

If you read Mick Cronin's comments in the Enquirer's article, it is one long excuse after another. The fact that he used the excuse that they are "young and immature" absolutely irritates me to no end. Take ownership of this program and state the fact that this team is not where it needs to be and that is my fault as the head coach and this will not ever be the case again.

It is so lame to hear a coach not take ownership for falling apart down the stretch that is where he gets paid to maintain their focus, their level of fitness and readiness to face March Madness. In 3 seasons Mick has shown he is a one trick pony from Murray State, 0 wins in march says it all!

[LongTimer]

If you read Mick Cronin's comments in the Enquirer's article, it is one long excuse after another. The fact that he used the excuse that they are "young and immature" absolutely irritates me to no end. Take ownership of this program and state the fact that this team is not where it needs to be and that is my fault as the head coach and this will not ever be the case again.

It is so lame to hear a coach not take ownership for falling apart down the stretch that is where he gets paid to maintain their focus, their level of fitness and readiness to face March Madness. In 3 seasons Mick has shown he is a one trick pony from Murray State, 0 wins in march says it all!

Wow, forgot about Murray State. This is a disturbing pattern!!

[catsfan32]

what do u mean forgot about Murray State, i far as i can remember he took them to MARCH MADNESS two out of his three years. Thats not losing in march.

[LongTimer]

what do u mean forgot about Murray State, i far as i can remember he took them to MARCH MADNESS two out of his three years. Thats not losing in march.

1st round NCAA losses pal...remember....coaches get fired with 2nd round NCAA losses. We fired a 2nd round loser to hire a 1st round loser. Now he can't even get there!

[Aaron]

what do u mean forgot about Murray State, i far as i can remember he took them to MARCH MADNESS two out of his three years. Thats not losing in march.

Mick played weak competition at Murray St, so it's not that big of deal for them to win that small conference. This league is too big for him!

[Billy Don]

How do teenagers "run out of gas" exactly?

This is over a 5 month time frame, they didn't play all these games in 1 day.

I think "Ran out of Gas" really means "stop caring".

Ran out of gas is just another novice's excuse for a team folding at the end of the year. What really happens is the better coachs at the end of the year know all the other teams weakness. They have all the tape on games they need. The weak coach and team isn't going to surprise a good coach like early in the season. The bad coach will lose a lot of games late in the season. Remember at the start of the year the big deal was how much depth UC had and were playing 10 players. Mick had players checking in and out 3 at a time. Well I knew that wasn't going to last long because by the time everybody figured out who they were guarding the other team had 2 or 3 easy buckets. Most of your good teams play a 7 man rotation and a few 8 if the talent level from the subs doesn't drop off much. I give Mick credit for only taking 10 games or so figuring out playing 10 a lot of minutes wasn't going to work. If UC had any players tired at the end of the season it was because they were tired of sitting on the bench.

[ralph1950]

1st round NCAA losses pal...remember....coaches get fired with 2nd round NCAA losses. We fired a 2nd round loser to hire a 1st round loser. Now he can't even get there!

UC did not fire BH because he lost a lot in the second round of the NCAA tourney, that had nothing to do with it.

[ralph1950]

Ran out of gas is just another novice's excuse for a team folding at the end of the year. What really happens is the better coachs at the end of the year know all the other teams weakness. They have all the tape on games they need. The weak coach and team isn't going to surprise a good coach like early in the season. The bad coach will lose a lot of games late in the season. Remember at the start of the year the big deal was how much depth UC had and were playing 10 players. Mick had players checking in and out 3 at a time. Well I knew that wasn't going to last long because by the time everybody figured out who they were guarding the other team had 2 or 3 easy buckets. Most of your good teams play a 7 man rotation and a few 8 if the talent level from the subs doesn't drop off much. I give Mick credit for only taking 10 games or so figuring out playing 10 a lot of minutes wasn't going to work. If UC had any players tired at the end of the season it was because they were tired of sitting on the bench.

I get where you are coming from about the good coach knowing the weak coaches teams weaknesses, that explains UC beating WVU at the seasons end.

[Lobot]

Let's not get started on the Cronin vs. Huggins thing yet again please. Just plain stay away from that topic.

[Forsure21]

Anyone watching the Seton Hall game? THey are playign with a lot of heart and emotion.

One thing I have noticed watching all the BE games today is just how much more athletic EVERY team is. The only team I see that isn't way more athletic is ND. Every other team can just BREAk it to the hoop.

[Forsure21]

Let's not get started on the Cronin vs. Huggins thing yet again please. Just plain stay away from that topic.

I know I have asked this before but I don't see the harm in comparing a current coach with the schools all time winningest coach.

[Lobot]

I don't either to a point but the admins are sick of cleaning up arguments that MC vs BH (or any BH) threads cause. BH has been rehashed hundreds of times on here even before the forums were on a website. After 4 years, they're pretty sick of it and I don't blame them. I'm just following the admins lead on the subject.

Basically if you want to talk about Huggins go to the "Where Are They Now?" forum and hope it doesn't get closed by the admins.

Right now the MC Vs. BH thing is getting a little leeway, at least by me, because of the technical problems with the threads and there not being a place to post things at the moment.

Personally, MC vs. BH is like apples and oranges to me. They aren't same person, they started here with different situations, they coached in different conferences , etc. People want treat it like apples to apples and it just isn't!

[BrettTaylor]

Are you going to allow Mick Cronin to be discussed once he is fired after they lose in the first round of the NIT? Mick on his way to 0 and 9 in March ...

[Lobot]

Are you going to allow Mick Cronin to be discussed once he is fired after they lose in the first round of the NIT? Mick on his way to 0 and 9 in March ...

That will be up to the admins. IMO I'm guessing the answer will be yes.

[jkwuc89]

We are now using a single thread to review and discuss the 2008-09 season.