UC Past and Present (was UK recruiting)

[Mick's Da Man]

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=943852

......and Tom Crean is at #10..........uh oh..........

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

The class may be considered the #1 class EVER signed by UK.

[Bcatfan08]

The funny thing about Crean's class is that it's almost identical to UC's second class under Mick except Mick had an extra three star player.

[dp3113]

The funny thing about Crean's class is that it's almost identical to UC's second class under Mick except Mick had an extra three star player.

except IU got Jordan Hulls, a very, very underrated PG who will be outstanding there. UC's second class lacked a point.

[Doss]

Big East:

Nova #2
UConn #9
UL #14
Marq. #16
Pitt #23

Former Huggins Assistant (at UC and KSU) Frank Martin in at #18

UC under Mick Cronin (Former Huggins Assistant) surely will be on the list once the April Surprises are announced. Will we make the Top 10 without Riek?

The wait is painful, I wish Mick would get the last recruit signed so he can have a blockbuster New Conference. Going to be BIG!

[BtotheU]

Big East:

Nova #2
UConn #9
UL #14
Marq. #16
Pitt #23

Former Huggins Assistant (at UC and KSU) Frank Martin in at #18

UC under Mick Cronin (Former Huggins Assistant) surely will be on the list once the April Surprises are announced. Will we make the Top 10 without Riek?

The wait is painful, I wish Mick would get the last recruit signed so he can have a blockbuster New Conference. Going to be BIG!


Hey Doss...your act is exhausting. Please do yourself a favor and go follow a team that doesn't cause you severe depression.

[Deaf_Bearcat]

I guess we are beginning to see what Mick can do. Hopefully, he will get 5-star players next year (honestly, not seeing his potential, but just hoping for a big turnaround).

Hate to say this....

[Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick]

Would either Cal or Crean signed on with UC in 2006? Would ANYONE OF NOTE have done so? Regardless of how Cronin will do next year, does anyone seriously doubt that it's ALREADY a more attractive job than it was then??

Cronin's not exactly tearing it up on the recuiting trail, but his current team did happen to win 18 games this season. I'd hardly say Mick's done a poor job so far, considering UC is ALREADY a more attractive job now, than in Spring 2006.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Would either Cal or Crean signed on with UC in 2006? Would ANYONE OF NOTE have done so? Regardless of how Cronin will do next year, does anyone seriously doubt that it's ALREADY a more attractive job than it was then??

Cronin's not exactly tearing it up on the recuiting trail, but his current team did happen to win 18 games this season. I'd hardly say Mick's done a poor job so far, considering UC is ALREADY a more attractive job now, than in Spring 2006.

UC is NOT more attractive than it was in 2006. But it is less attractive than it was from 1990 thru 2005.

Few coaches were interested in UC job back in 2006. Few would be interested now.

[Bcatfan08]

UC is NOT more attractive than it was in 2006. But it is less attractive than it was from 1990 thru 2005.

Few coaches were interested in UC job back in 2006. Few would be interested now.

Your nuts if you believe this. In 2006 we looked dead in the water. At least we have a few Big East level players on our team. We didn't have Conference USA talent in 2006. Getting Mick was about as good as we could do at the time when we hired him. Not too many coaches who'd take over a program with no players.

On a side note, does anyone else notice the negative posters who always say, hate to say this? For people who hate to say so many things, they say them quite often.

[Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick]

UC is NOT more attractive than it was in 2006. But it is less attractive than it was from 1990 thru 2005.

Few coaches were interested in UC job back in 2006. Few would be interested now.

WRONG!

Inheriting a full roster of semi-competent players is MUCH better than inheriting a roster of ONE semi-competent player.

[CatsClaw]

Would either Cal or Crean signed on with UC in 2006? Would ANYONE OF NOTE have done so? Regardless of how Cronin will do next year, does anyone seriously doubt that it's ALREADY a more attractive job than it was then??

Cronin's not exactly tearing it up on the recuiting trail, but his current team did happen to win 18 games this season. I'd hardly say Mick's done a poor job so far, considering UC is ALREADY a more attractive job now, than in Spring 2006.

Exactly. Considering Crean is a veteran coach on the recruiting trail with numerous NCAA Tournament appearances, Top 25 teams and a Final Four on his resume, it's probably a little bit easier for him to recruit. Same thing with Cal. Cronin is a new, younger head coach who is learning on the job while trying to rebuild a national power. And he's doing it at a job that was completely unattractive at the time.

[ucfan1980]

Hey Doss...your act is exhausting. Please do yourself a favor and go follow a team that doesn't cause you severe depression.

Do yourself a favor and get yourself out of lala land. This program has no chance under Cronin. We will complain until it is changed

[Mick's Da Man]

WRONG!

Inheriting a full roster of semi-competent players is MUCH better than inheriting a roster of ONE semi-competent player.

Absolutely, BJ.

The roster is far better now than when Cronin took it over. If Cronin were fired tomorrow, the new head coach would inherit a top 100 PG in Cash Wright, a 5-star PF in Yancy Gates, a senior former 1st team Big East SG in Deonta Vaughn, and a roster laden in semi-experienced juniors - Bishop, Wilks, McClain, Davis, Ibrahima Thomas, an experienced senior big man in Toyloy, 4th leading scorer and sophomore guard in Dixon................not exactly the Ced McGowan, Ron Allen remnants that Cronin was left with. Hmmmm.

It's far from a UK type job...........but it isn't the abysmal situation it was when Cronin took over either. I could see a top mid-major head coach or major coach in one of the weaker top 6 or 8 conferences being interested.

Cal was coaching in a mid-major conference (CUSA) where his program was the caliber of a major. Kinda like Xavier as a near-major program playing in the mid-major A-10. Definitely a huge move up for Cal even though he was having huge success at Memphis. I think he got tired of no one paying attention to Memphis when CUSA play started..........bascially ESPN ignored Memphis from January until March Madness begins. UK will be a headline every night on ESPN and Cal will eat that up. But I digress.

[Doss]

and support the school where I got my degrees. Done both for 50 years, through the good times and the bad times. I am also able to tell the difference.

No depression here, just a realist, hoping to be proved wrong.

I hope we win, on average, 25 games a year for the next 16 years and go to the NCAA 14 years in a row. I hope we name the new BB Arena The Mick Cronin Arena.

I hope the Double Secret Recruit (doesn't that sound like 4th graders) alluded to becomes the next Steve Logan.

I think Gates will be a good player, under another coach he might be great.

I think Thomas will be an upgrade on Williams, as you may recall I always thought Mike was over hyped on this board.

I hope Cash is great but remember the best thing about freshman is they become sophmores.

I hope Killpatrick is so good he is just called Dr. K, or Super K or Big K (perhaps we could get Krogers to sponsor that).

I hope Eddie Tyree is so good he can spell Cash with little let down.

I look forward to seeing you all on the Annual UCATS Boatride. I hope so many of you join that they have to get B&B to add a second boat. We can have one boat for MC and one for BK. That would be great.

Almost all of us want success we just see a different path to be followed.



Hey Doss...your act is exhausting. Please do yourself a favor and go follow a team that doesn't cause you severe depression.

[JohnFrancis]

There is nothing wrong with pointing out the ranking of Martin's recruiting class at KSU - it's information - and relevant to discussion on this board - and I certainly hope UC basketball is relevant next season in the NCAA tourney discussion...

[swilsonsp4]

One angle that I haven't seen posted in any of the recruiting-related threads is that the vast majority of top quality players sign during the fall period. We've all been awaiting an announcement from Mick regarding whatever signings are upcoming by May 20. In reality, though, the opportunities are limited at this time of year.

Recruiting is about relationships, primarily developed during the underclass years for the prospective recruits. While other big-time program coaches were out schmoozing high school sophomores, Cronin was trying to put a team together out of virtually nothing. And, he had to do so entirely during the spring signing period. Even during the past fall period, UC's coaches had not had time to build the solid relationships with BE-talented recruits that the other coaches had already established.

I believe it is absolutely necessary that UC sign a PG this spring to spell Cashmere Wright, who, by the way, was a recruiting steal. That player doesn't have to be as good as Wright. He just needs to be able to hold his own for a few minutes each game, without throwing the ball away.

Beyond that, the upcoming fall signing period will be very important. With that in mind, I've changed my mind with regard to pocketing a scholarship. I had been in favor of using all available schollies now (bird in the hand theory). However, sufficient time has passed since Mick took over that he should have been able to build convincing relationships with underclassmen. This spring isn't the indicator of Cronin's ability to recruit, but next fall will be.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

WRONG!

Inheriting a full roster of semi-competent players is MUCH better than inheriting a roster of ONE semi-competent player.

Indeed U R wrong.

The program is no more attractive to coaches now than it was in 2006.

UC has deteriorated further since its last "successful" year in 2006.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Absolutely, BJ.

The roster is far better now than when Cronin took it over. If Cronin were fired tomorrow, the new head coach would inherit a top 100 PG in Cash Wright, a 5-star PF in Yancy Gates, a senior former 1st team Big East SG in Deonta Vaughn, and a roster laden in semi-experienced juniors - Bishop, Wilks, McClain, Davis, Ibrahima Thomas, an experienced senior big man in Toyloy, 4th leading scorer and sophomore guard in Dixon................not exactly the Ced McGowan, Ron Allen remnants that Cronin was left with. Hmmmm.

It's far from a UK type job...........but it isn't the abysmal situation it was when Cronin took over either. I could see a top mid-major head coach or major coach in one of the weaker top 6 or 8 conferences being interested.

Cal was coaching in a mid-major conference (CUSA) where his program was the caliber of a major. Kinda like Xavier as a near-major program playing in the mid-major A-10. Definitely a huge move up for Cal even though he was having huge success at Memphis. I think he got tired of no one paying attention to Memphis when CUSA play started..........bascially ESPN ignored Memphis from January until March Madness begins. UK will be a headline every night on ESPN and Cal will eat that up. But I digress.

The roster is better than March 2006 but the perception of the program in the eyes of recruits is no better now.

[Carin's Dad]

Indeed U R wrong.

The program is no more attractive to coaches now than it was in 2006.

UC has deteriorated further since its last "successful" year in 2006."Deteriorated"? I expect 22-24 wins and a NCAA 2nd round exit next season. All the pieces are in place. And with that success more recruits will be flocking to Clifton!!

And who cares if the job is more or less interesting to other coaches? It's filled and will be for the foreseeable future.

[jlr1523]

Like Kentucky or not, they are going to be dynamite again. Probably title favorites if Meeks returns with Patterson. UK is stacked.

[RobPoppeil]

"Deteriorated"? I expect 22-24 wins and a NCAA 2nd round exit next season. All the pieces are in place. And with that success more recruits will be flocking to Clifton!!

And who cares if the job is more or less interesting to other coaches? It's filled and will be for the foreseeable future.

Most predicted post season play last year too. Instead we got the annual Mick late season swoon.

[beeman7467]

and support the school where I got my degrees. Done both for 50 years, through the good times and the bad times. I am also able to tell the difference.

No depression here, just a realist, hoping to be proved wrong.

I hope we win, on average, 25 games a year for the next 16 years and go to the NCAA 14 years in a row. I hope we name the new BB Arena The Mick Cronin Arena.

I hope the Double Secret Recruit (doesn't that sound like 4th graders) alluded to becomes the next Steve Logan.

I think Gates will be a good player, under another coach he might be great.

I think Thomas will be an upgrade on Williams, as you may recall I always thought Mike was over hyped on this board.

I hope Cash is great but remember the best thing about freshman is they become sophmores.

I hope Killpatrick is so good he is just called Dr. K, or Super K or Big K (perhaps we could get Krogers to sponsor that).

I hope Eddie Tyree is so good he can spell Cash with little let down.

I look forward to seeing you all on the Annual UCATS Boatride. I hope so many of you join that they have to get B&B to add a second boat. We can have one boat for MC and one for BK. That would be great.

Almost all of us want success we just see a different path to be followed.

Since when does a UCATS membership guarantee you anything as a fan? There are lots of us out there, but last time I checked, just because someone gives money to a university doesn't mean the team is going to win. There are good years and there are bad years. Consider yourself lucky, you got to see an upside in UC basketball. May never happen again in your lifetime. As much as people may want to blame MC, he's actually doing a pretty good job considering the circumstances.

[Pie Hole]

Since when does a UCATS membership guarantee you anything as a fan? There are lots of us out there, but last time I checked, just because someone gives money to a university doesn't mean the team is going to win. There are good years and there are bad years. Consider yourself lucky, you got to see an upside in UC basketball. May never happen again in your lifetime. As much as people may want to blame MC, he's actually doing a pretty good job considering the circumstances.

Mick has done an average to below average job to this point. My gut tells me that this program will remain in the depths of mediocrity until he is replaced. I would be willing to suffer for a couple of years while the right coach rebuilds this program back where it belongs. This recruiting class has officially pushed me over the limit. MC has had 3 years to build his case and persuade recruits to come our way. He has failed.

Even if we make the tourney in 09, I don't believe it will be on a consistent basis. Time to move on.

[bearcattom]

Long time UCAT & BN forum member (back to the LISTSERV days), seldom ever post...

Let me lay this out for you, if you want UC to be competitive in the Big East, give $. We need it...

Coaches, administrators, and players need the resources to compete on par. This is not C-USA anymore.

If you want BK to stay, donate $ for the bubble and Nippert upgrade.
If you want MC to have a renovated or new arena to attract recruits, donate $.
If you want track athletes to come here, donate $.
If you want the non-revenue sports to survive, donate $.

Economy got you in a pinch? Accept that you cannot help.

THE END

[Doss]

Everyone who is a REAL FAN should join UCATS for:

1. Director's Society $50,000
2. George Smith Society $12,500 or $25,000
3. Hall of Fame (Ralph) $4,200
4. National Champion $3,000
5. All-American $2,500
6. Big East Champion $2,200
7. Captain $2,000
8. RED & BLACK $1,250
9. ROCK OF TRUTH $1,000
10. TOWER OF STRENGTH $600
11. MICK & MACK $100
12. BEARCAT $50

Even of of town folks should be at least a Tower of Strength. It is 80% tax deductible. And you get a nice boat ride.





Long time UCAT & BN forum member (back to the LISTSERV days), seldom ever post...

Let me lay this out for you, if you want UC to be competitive in the Big East, give $. We need it...

Coaches, administrators, and players need the resources to compete on par. This is not C-USA anymore.

If you want BK to stay, donate $ for the bubble and Nippert upgrade.
If you want MC to have a renovated or new arena to attract recruits, donate $.
If you want track athletes to come here, donate $.
If you want the non-revenue sports to survive, donate $.

Economy got you in a pinch? Accept that you cannot help.

THE END

[bearcattom]

UCATS Brochure (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/cinn/genrel/auto_pdf/09-ucats-brochure.pdf)

[jkwuc89]

I don't believe that a donation to UCATS is required to be a good or better fan than others simply because some UC fans simply do not have the extra money to make such a donation. The minimum donation does not seem like much but if you are living paycheck to paycheck, there will certainly be higher spending and savings priorities.

[bearcattom]

I don't believe that a donation to UCATS is required to be a good or better fan than others simply because some UC fans simply do not have the extra money to make such a donation. The minimum donation does not seem like much but if you are living paycheck to paycheck, there will certainly be higher spending and savings priorities.

It does not have anything to do w/ being a good/bad fan...

If you want to help, give $.

$ enables everything.

[Doss]

We are a Beast Team operating on a C-USA Budget.

Compare the size of the Alumni Base (especially local) with those of other Beast schools with FB and our alumni show poorly.




I don't believe that a donation to UCATS is required to be a good or better fan than others simply because some UC fans simply do not have the extra money to make such a donation. The minimum donation does not seem like much but if you are living paycheck to paycheck, there will certainly be higher spending and savings priorities.

[Bearcat Jeff]

Mick has done an average to below average job to this point. My gut tells me that this program will remain in the depths of mediocrity until he is replaced. I would be willing to suffer for a couple of years while the right coach rebuilds this program back where it belongs. This recruiting class has officially pushed me over the limit. MC has had 3 years to build his case and persuade recruits to come our way. He has failed.

Even if we make the tourney in 09, I don't believe it will be on a consistent basis. Time to move on.

Pie Hole what everybody needs to understand is that a coaching change at this point in time will do more harm than good. It will take everything back to ground zero. It would be devastiing for Mick to fail at this point in time. That is why I can't understand all the people out there wanting him gone. It is in every U.C. fans best interest for Mick Cronin to succeed.

[Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick]

The roster is better than March 2006 but the perception of the program in the eyes of recruits is no better now.

LOL! How about APRIL 2006, then? You know, after Hicks and White left? And after Bright set the gun off? And Downey bailed?

Don't let facts get in the way 1958.

One question: who was UC recruiting between Autumn 2005 and Winter 2006?

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

LOL! How about APRIL 2006, then? You know, after Hicks and White left? And after Bright set the gun off? And Downey bailed?

Don't let facts get in the way 1958.

One question: who was UC recruiting between Autumn 2005 and Winter 2006?

No one would sign with a team without knowing who the coach would be.

Blame Nancy Z-witch and Mike Thomas for that 9 month gap. Their fault, 100% on them.

[Doss]

The bold ones are small money schools. There are others that could be considered small money schools such as UC and others.

1939 Oregon Howard Hobson Ohio State 46-33
1940 Indiana Branch McCracken Kansas 60-42
1941 Wisconsin Harold Foster Washington State 39-34
1942 Stanford Everett Dean Dartmouth 53-38
1943 Wyoming Everett Shelton Georgetown 46-34
1944 Utah Vadal Peterson Dartmouth 42-401
1945 Oklahoma A&M2 Henry Iba NYU 49-45
1946 Oklahoma A&M2 Henry Iba North Carolina 43-40
1947 Holy Cross Alvin Julian Oklahoma 58-47
1948 Kentucky Adolph Rupp Baylor 58-42
1949 Kentucky Adolph Rupp Oklahoma State 46-36
1950 CCNY Nat Holman Bradley 71-68
1951 Kentucky Adolph Rupp Kansas State 68-58
1952 Kansas Forrest Allen St. John's (NY) 80-63
1953 Indiana Branch McCracken Kansas 69-68
1954 La Salle Kenneth Loeffler Bradley 92-76
1955 San Francisco Phil Woolpert La Salle 77-63
1956 San Francisco Phil Woolpert Iowa 83-71
1957 North Carolina Frank McGuire Kansas 54-531
1958 Kentucky Adolph Rupp Seattle 84-72
1959 California Pete Newell West Virginia 71-70
1960 Ohio State Fred Taylor California 75-55
1961 Cincinnati Edwin Jucker Ohio State 70-651
1962 Cincinnati Edwin Jucker Ohio State 71-59
1963 Loyola (IL) George Ireland Cincinnati 60-581
1964 UCLA John Wooden Duke 98-83
1965 UCLA John Wooden Michigan 91-80
1966 Texas Western3 Don Haskins Kentucky 72-65
1967 UCLA John Wooden Dayton 79-64
1968 UCLA John Wooden North Carolina 78-55
1969 UCLA John Wooden Purdue 92-72
1970 UCLA John Wooden Jacksonville 80-69
1971 UCLA John Wooden Villanova4 68-62
1972 UCLA John Wooden Florida State 81-76
1973 UCLA John Wooden Memphis State 87-66
1974 North Carolina State Norm Sloan Marquette 76-64
1975 UCLA John Wooden Kentucky 92-85
1976 Indiana Bob Knight Michigan 86-68
1977 Marquette Al McGuire North Carolina 67-59
1978 Kentucky Joe Hall Duke 94-88
1979 Michigan State Jud Heathcote Indiana St. 75-64
1980 Louisville Denny Crum UCLA4 59-54
1981 Indiana Bob Knight North Carolina 63-50
1982 North Carolina Dean Smith Georgetown 63-62
1983 North Carolina State Jim Valvano Houston 54-52
1984 Georgetown John Thompson Houston 84-75
1985 Villanova Rollie Massimino Georgetown 66-64
1986 Louisville Denny Crum Duke 72-69
1987 Indiana Bob Knight Syracuse 74-73
1988 Kansas Larry Brown Oklahoma 83-79
1989 Michigan Steve Fisher Seton Hall 80-791
1990 Nevada-Las Vegas Jerry Tarkanian Duke 103-73
1991 Duke Mike Krzyzewski Kansas 72-65
1992 Duke Mike Krzyzewski Michigan 71-51
1993 North Carolina Dean Smith Michigan 77-71
1994 Arkansas Nolan Richardson Duke 76-72
1995 UCLA Jim Harrick Arkansas 89-78
1996 Kentucky Rick Pitino Syracuse 76-67
1997 Arizona Lute Olson Kentucky 84-791
1998 Kentucky Tubby Smith Utah 78-69
1999 Connecticut Jim Calhoun Duke 77-74
2000 Michigan State Tom Izzo Florida 89-76
2001 Duke Mike Krzyzewski Arizona 82-72
2002 Maryland Gary Williams Indiana 64-52
2003 Syracuse Jim Boeheim Kansas 81-78
2004 Connecticut Jim Calhoun Georgia Tech 82-73
2005 North Carolina Roy Williams Illinois 75-70
2006 Florida Billy Donovan UCLA 73-57
2007 Florida Billy Donovan Ohio State 84-75
2008 Kansas Bill Self Memphis 75-681
2009 North Carolina Roy Williams Michigan State 89-72


Since when does a UCATS membership guarantee you anything as a fan? There are lots of us out there, but last time I checked, just because someone gives money to a university doesn't mean the team is going to win. There are good years and there are bad years. Consider yourself lucky, you got to see an upside in UC basketball. May never happen again in your lifetime. As much as people may want to blame MC, he's actually doing a pretty good job considering the circumstances.

[Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick]

Regardless of where you point the finger, the program was in steaming pile of crap state in 2006. All I've said it's in much better shape now.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Regardless of where you point the finger, the program was in steaming pile of crap state in 2006. All I've said it's in much better shape now.

It is not any better in the eyes of recruits.

UC was more of a "name" school in 2006 than now.

[Mick's Da Man]

The roster is better than March 2006 but the perception of the program in the eyes of recruits is no better now.

.......and you know this how?

Whatever.

The program is in better shape today than it was when Mick took over. A five year old could understand that.

[Doss]

it's not how?
.......and you know this how?

Whatever.

The program is in better shape today than it was when Mick took over. A five year old could understand that.

[Carin's Dad]

Thank God they still play games. That way we can keep track of the improvement of UC without having to rely on the biased comments from people with their own agendas.

The overall program is "healthier" than it was a while ago. Now a few more wins and we'll be as successful as we used to be. Be patient.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

.......and you know this how?

Whatever.

The program is in better shape today than it was when Mick took over. A five year old could understand that.

I doubt that. The UC "buzz" then was based on the Bearcats having won 3 of 4 games from 1990 thru 2006 seasons and being one of the Top 10 programs.

UC struggles to be among Top 10 BIG EAST programs now.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Thank God they still play games. That way we can keep track of the improvement of UC without having to rely on the biased comments from people with their own agendas.

The overall program is "healthier" than it was a while ago. Now a few more wins and we'll be as successful as we used to be. Be patient.

The UC program is about where it was in the 1980's.

[Mick's Da Man]

I doubt that. The UC "buzz" then was based on the Bearcats having won 3 of 4 games from 1990 thru 2006 seasons and being one of the Top 10 programs.

UC struggles to be among Top 10 BIG EAST programs now.

Oh, so you're in charge of monitoring the UC "buzz". I get it now. :rolleyes:

[Bearcat Jeff]

The UC program is about where it was in the 1980's.
'58, I think that is a grossly unfair statement Mick Cronin was faced with the worst circumstances of any coach in my 45 years and has steadily improved each season.

[lnclemm]

Back to the original post, how much does anyone think that number 1 recruiting class co$t UK and coach Cal??? It's all rumor and innuindo with this guy but usually when there is smoke, there is fire, just not sure how long before the house burns up. I personally hope John Wall goes there too, another log on the fire. Just a thought. We are all dissapointed with Riek and this years class, let's face it, Riek will probably never play college ball, and if we save scholarships, have a loaded class next year, it may all work out afterall.

[LongTimer]

'58, I think that is a grossly unfair statement Mick Cronin was faced with the worst circumstances of any coach in my 45 years and has steadily improved each season.

Tony Yates situation was way worse than Cronins. Nobody on Yates first team could have started on Cronins first team.....and Yates got us to the NIT in year 2 after a 3 and 23 record in year one. Cronin still hasn't gotten us to the NIT. Our national perception is way worse today than in 2006. Not even close.

[lnclemm]

I agree, Mick Cronin sucks, UC sucks, we should all become UK, or Xavier, or maybe WVU fans. Lighten up a little guys!! Take a deep breath, not the end of the world just yet. Ask Thad Matta how all those highly rated recruits have worked out, since Oden; nothing but huge dissapointments, good thing you guys aren't OSU fans, or he would be fired by now!! We'll see what happens next year. Guarded optimism, try it, you might live longer that way.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

'58, I think that is a grossly unfair statement Mick Cronin was faced with the worst circumstances of any coach in my 45 years and has steadily improved each season.

I don't blame him AT ALL. He didn't put it there. Z and MT did (by delaying their ultimate actions).

The UC program is about where it was in the 1980's. Look at the numbers.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I agree, Mick Cronin sucks, UC sucks, we should all become UK, or Xavier, or maybe WVU fans. Lighten up a little guys!! Take a deep breath, not the end of the world just yet. Ask Thad Matta how all those highly rated recruits have worked out, since Oden; nothing but huge dissapointments, good thing you guys aren't OSU fans, or he would be fired by now!! We'll see what happens next year. Guarded optimism, try it, you might live longer that way.

UC should get to 20 W and legitimate postseason play again. That (whatever it was) in 2008 doesn't count.

[Bearcat Jeff]

I don't blame him AT ALL. He didn't put it there. Z and MT did (by delaying their ultimate actions).

The UC program is about where it was in the 1980's. Look at the numbers.

Completely agree with this except I would include Huggs and make it a threesome. It should have been taken care of in the early spring.

[bearcatbret]

As I was driving through Lexington on Thursday night, I listened to a sports show. They had a guy on from Rivals. Lexington is pursuing Wall big time. That is all the fans want. That would give them 16 scholarships. The host claimed that Cal is allowing the players to choose which ones loose their scholarships and that he will not be involved. The guy from Rivals said that whatever team lands Wall will automatically be in discussions for final four because he is that good. Everyone here thinks it is a crime to release kids from scholarships but apparently the big time programs do. Why should Mick not try to keep landing better players and then ask the lower tier ones to stay as walk-on? By the way, the basketball team had a perfect APR.

[cincycpaw]

We are all dissapointed with Riek and this years class, let's face it, Riek will probably never play college ball, and if we save scholarships, have a loaded class next year, it may all work out afterall.

Why'd Mick chase him for so long then?

I really hope Mick pulls in a solid class next year...he has to.

[DMoney_70]

OK. So the line has been drawn folks. We know who likes Mick and who doesn't. Now a thread on a UC board about UK having the top recruiting class has, as all other recent threads, turned into yet another peeing match. I didn't have to read anything on this 3 page thread except a couple comments on page 3 to know that it was the same old story, different thread title. I avoided this message board all weekend and I'm glad I did.

Why don't we all just grow up a little. If there's nothing new to talk about, we should give our fingers a break until there is. Right now every thread is exactly the same in content.

If I started a thread today titled "The Sky is Blue", within minutes there would be Doss and his pals telling us it's not blue in Cincinnati because Mick can't recruit and then someone else saying that Doss just misses Huggins and .......... HERE WE GO AGAIN.

MAKE IT STOP!!

[Best Body]

Indeed U R wrong.

The program is no more attractive to coaches now than it was in 2006.

UC has deteriorated further since its last "successful" year in 2006.

It may be more attractive, as a new coach would no longer have to follow Huggins, and be compared to him. Like him or not, he was basically a legend to followers of the program. Following Mick Cronin would be much easier - basically the fan base would accept whoever it is, from the start. Plus, I'm not giving Mick huge props for this b/c any coach should've been able to improve the talent level from where Mick started, but at least the rebuilding process has been started. So, a new coach wouldn't need to start absolutely from scratch.

[LongTimer]

OK. So the line has been drawn folks. We know who likes Mick and who doesn't. Now a thread on a UC board about UK having the top recruiting class has, as all other recent threads, turned into yet another peeing match. I didn't have to read anything on this 3 page thread except a couple comments on page 3 to know that it was the same old story, different thread title. I avoided this message board all weekend and I'm glad I did.

Why don't we all just grow up a little. If there's nothing new to talk about, we should give our fingers a break until there is. Right now every thread is exactly the same in content.

If I started a thread today titled "The Sky is Blue", within minutes there would be Doss and his pals telling us it's not blue in Cincinnati because Mick can't recruit and then someone else saying that Doss just misses Huggins and .......... HERE WE GO AGAIN.

MAKE IT STOP!!

Well, Doss has been around a long time and knows the program in and out. He is not fond of our coach to say the least, but at least he doesn't spout off a bunch of untruths continuously. Guys like him that have been around the program for a long time and have seen it all, have to respond to a lot of the ridiculous comments that people make on here. It is amazing how crazy some of the stuff is that gets posted on here, especially by the people who support Mick. Most of the people who don't support him are making valid points in their argument, and they are being negative because they don't like the way the program is moving. At this point, after three years, there are a lot more compelling reasons to be against Mick, or at least in the middle of the pack in your feelings about him. To be arguing in defense of him at this point is just not very prudent. However, I applaud you for being positive. To stay positive in light of where this program has fallen to over the last four years, is to be commended. I can't do it. I don't like where we are right now, but I still think he should get 2 more years to prove that he deserves to run this program. I don't hate him and I don't think he has done a bad job, But, I also don't think he has done a good job either. He's just ok as a coach right now. He's still very young and I hope he eventually succeeds because he provides us with a huge advantage being a UC grad and hometown boy and will likely stay forever and bring long term stability to the program. What needs to stop is the posters who make the crazy statements about Mick starting with the worst roster of all time. Anyone (like Doss) that saw Tony Yates' first team knows that Mick's 1st team was way better than that horrible buch whose tallest player was 6'5'' or 6'6" and could win only 3 games playing in the Great Midwest. Plus, Mick could have had Downey, but turned him away. With Downey, we would have probably had 2 NCAAs now. Yes, this has been posted over and over, but new posters keep coming on here and making the grandiose Mick comments and then the anti-Mick people have to set them straight and then here we go again..... Anyway, Mick is our coach now. We can't change that, so lets just support him and hope for better things this season and hope that better results will then lead to even better results and then all the bickering can stop and Mick gets signed for the long term...because in the end, that will be the best thing for this program.

[bearcatbret]

Longtimer - We do not know exactly what transpired between Mick and Downey so spouting that we could have had him may or may not be true. Yes, we know the reports that said that Downey wanted to leave and then wanted to come back but Mick would not let him. What we do not know was the private conversations that the two had.

Also, if my long-term memory serves me, Yates was in the Metro conference playing the likes of Florida State, Memphis State, Louisville, Virginia Tech, etc. Not the Great Midwest.

[ralph1950]

Well, Doss has been around a long time and knows the program in and out. He is not fond of our coach to say the least, but at least he doesn't spout off a bunch of untruths continuously. Guys like him that have been around the program for a long time and have seen it all, have to respond to a lot of the ridiculous comments that people make on here. It is amazing how crazy some of the stuff is that gets posted on here, especially by the people who support Mick. Most of the people who don't support him are making valid points in their argument, and they are being negative because they don't like the way the program is moving. At this point, after three years, there are a lot more compelling reasons to be against Mick, or at least in the middle of the pack in your feelings about him. To be arguing in defense of him at this point is just not very prudent. However, I applaud you for being positive. To stay positive in light of where this program has fallen to over the last four years, is to be commended. I can't do it. I don't like where we are right now, but I still think he should get 2 more years to prove that he deserves to run this program. I don't hate him and I don't think he has done a bad job, But, I also don't think he has done a good job either. He's just ok as a coach right now. He's still very young and I hope he eventually succeeds because he provides us with a huge advantage being a UC grad and hometown boy and will likely stay forever and bring long term stability to the program. What needs to stop is the posters who make the crazy statements about Mick starting with the worst roster of all time. Anyone (like Doss) that saw Tony Yates' first team knows that Mick's 1st team was way better than that horrible buch whose tallest player was 6'5'' or 6'6" and could win only 3 games playing in the Great Midwest. Plus, Mick could have had Downey, but turned him away. With Downey, we would have probably had 2 NCAAs now. Yes, this has been posted over and over, but new posters keep coming on here and making the grandiose Mick comments and then the anti-Mick people have to set them straight and then here we go again..... Anyway, Mick is our coach now. We can't change that, so lets just support him and hope for better things this season and thope that better results will then lead to even better results and then all the bickering can stop and Mick gets signed for the long term...because in the end, that will be the best thing for this program.

This is not true, Downey was not interested in staying at UC and left for South Carolina. Why do you continue to post this false and totally unsubstianiated rumor about Downey wanting to stay at UC.

[DMoney_70]

Well, Doss has been around a long time and knows the program in and out. He is not fond of our coach to say the least, but at least he doesn't spout off a bunch of untruths continuously. Guys like him that have been around the program for a long time and have seen it all, have to respond to a lot of the ridiculous comments that people make on here. It is amazing how crazy some of the stuff is that gets posted on here, especially by the people who support Mick. Most of the people who don't support him are making valid points in their argument, and they are being negative because they don't like the way the program is moving. At this point, after three years, there are a lot more compelling reasons to be against Mick, or at least in the middle of the pack in your feelings about him. To be arguing in defense of him at this point is just not very prudent. However, I applaud you for being positive. To stay positive in light of where this program has fallen to over the last four years, is to be commended. I can't do it. I don't like where we are right now, but I still think he should get 2 more years to prove that he deserves to run this program. I don't hate him and I don't think he has done a bad job, But, I also don't think he has done a good job either. He's just ok as a coach right now. He's still very young and I hope he eventually succeeds because he provides us with a huge advantage being a UC grad and hometown boy and will likely stay forever and bring long term stability to the program. What needs to stop is the posters who make the crazy statements about Mick starting with the worst roster of all time. Anyone (like Doss) that saw Tony Yates' first team knows that Mick's 1st team was way better than that horrible buch whose tallest player was 6'5'' or 6'6" and could win only 3 games playing in the Great Midwest. Plus, Mick could have had Downey, but turned him away. With Downey, we would have probably had 2 NCAAs now. Yes, this has been posted over and over, but new posters keep coming on here and making the grandiose Mick comments and then the anti-Mick people have to set them straight and then here we go again..... Anyway, Mick is our coach now. We can't change that, so lets just support him and hope for better things this season and thope that better results will then lead to even better results and then all the bickering can stop and Mick gets signed for the long term...because in the end, that will be the best thing for this program.

Great post, Longtimer. I agree with much of it. I'm more of a middle-of-the-road guy with Mick but I know I come across as a blind follower. I still believe in him but my patience is not endless. I think you hit it on the head with needing to support him because his failure is UC's failure and it's best for all of us for Mick to become the coach many of us hoped he could be when they hired him.

Also, I probably shouldn't have put a specific name on my original post. I chose Doss because it was fresh on my mind but I could have used many different examples.

[DMoney_70]

Longtimer. The part I don't agree with is the roster situation and that's been previously debated so I'll leave it at that.

I just hope we could all hope for the best for Mick. They're months from being on the court and none of us know what will happen. The more we spout off now, the dumber we potentially look later.

Every post since Riek moved on has been blown up by the more negative bunch at the expense of the actual topic of the thread. That's what is driving me nuts right now. It's funny that Riek sparked all this because the last thing Mick would want to do is pass on a guy that could drastically help this team and with that in mind we have to assume Mick chose not to send in the LOI because he thought it was best for the program.

[LongTimer]

This is not true, Downey was not interested in staying at UC and left for South Carolina. Why do you continue to post this false and totally unsubstianiated rumor about Downey wanting to stay at UC.

Ralph and Bearcatbret, I continue to post this because I heard Mick state it on the radio and I have a number of friends who listened to Mick tell the story at a sports stag at a local high school. This all came right out of the coach's mouth, so I don't know why you continue to say it isn't true. This is common knowledge. It has been reported by the media over and over and the head coach has admitted it is true. So, what do you guys need? Why don't you email Mick and ask him? His email address is on the UC website.

[bearcatbret]

Ralph and Bearcatbret, I continue to post this because I heard Mick state it on the radio and I have a number of friends who listened to Mick tell the story at a sports stag at a local high school. This all came right out of the coach's mouth, so I don't know why you continue to say it isn't true. This is common knowledge. It has been reported by the media over and over and the head coach has admitted it is true. So, what do you guys need? Why don't you email Mick and ask him? His email address is on the UC website.

Just as much fact as Tony Yates coached is first year in the Great Midwest. That is not true. It just seems to me that people like to rewrite history in an attempt to make this team and this coach look bad. I am in the middle of the road with Mick. I am in the wait and see for this year. I also met and spoke with Tony Yates on several occasions while he was the coach. A very nice guy as I am sure Mick is. Toward the end of Yate's coaching career here at UC, I was ready to see him go. I may get to that point with Mick but I am not there yet.

[ME80]

Interesting post LT. I know the majority on here want the program to succeed and I along with others are getting impatient. I however didn't expect the program to be "back" in only 3 years.
It is amazing how crazy some of the stuff is that gets posted on here, especially by the people who support Mick. .

I do believe that there has been crazy stuff posted from both sides.

Most of the people who don't support him are making valid points in their argument, and they are being negative because they don't like the way the program is moving. .

Being negative at the results so far I can see, but many times the non supporters post "facts" that do not show the whole picture

At this point, after three years, there are a lot more compelling reasons to be against Mick, or at least in the middle of the pack in your feelings about him. To be arguing in defense of him at this point is just not very prudent.

As I said at the beginning I have moved to the middle of the road also, but even there I can see positives for the future.

I don't like where we are right now, but I still think he should get 2 more years to prove that he deserves to run this program. I don't hate him and I don't think he has done a bad job, But, I also don't think he has done a good job either. He's just ok as a coach right now. He's still very young and I hope he eventually succeeds because he provides us with a huge advantage being a UC grad and hometown boy and will likely stay forever and bring long term stability to the program. What needs to stop is the posters who make the crazy statements about Mick starting with the worst roster of all time. Anyone (like Doss) that saw Tony Yates' first team knows that Mick's 1st team was way better than that horrible buch whose tallest player was 6'5'' or 6'6" and could win only 3 games playing in the Great Midwest.

Okay I won't say anything about him starting with the worst roster of all time but I will say that it was pitifull enough that it will take time to recover and for many reasons that are not due to him.

Plus, Mick could have had Downey, but turned him away. With Downey, we would have probably had 2 NCAAs now.

Yes he would have made a difference in year 3, in year two I do not believe it would have gotten us to the dance.

Yes, this has been posted over and over, but new posters keep coming on here and making the grandiose Mick comments and then the anti-Mick people have to set them straight and then here we go again..... Anyway, Mick is our coach now. We can't change that, so lets just support him and hope for better things this season and thope that better results will then lead to even better results and then all the bickering can stop and Mick gets signed for the long term...because in the end, that will be the best thing for this program.

Agree with your hope for better things, but still believe the grandiose and baiting posts come from both sides. Good job LT!

[LongTimer]

Longtimer. The part I don't agree with is the roster situation and that's been previously debated so I'll leave it at that.

I just hope we could all hope for the best for Mick. They're months from being on the court and none of us know what will happen. The more we spout off now, the dumber we potentially look later.

Every post since Riek moved on has been blown up by the more negative bunch at the expense of the actual topic of the thread. That's what is driving me nuts right now. It's funny that Riek sparked all this because the last thing Mick would want to do is pass on a guy that could drastically help this team and with that in mind we have to assume Mick chose not to send in the LOI because he thought it was best for the program.

I probably went a month or two (March/April) without posting much at all because the end of the season just burned me out and it was like....we just continue to argue over and over about the same stuff. It is pretty boring. My problem is that I have been around the program probably as long as Doss. I have some great friends who are actually very good friends with Mick and with Hep Cronin, so I get a lot of inside scoop from them that is right from the horse's mouth. My oldest son supervises the sister of one of our best players on the team, so I get a weekly update from him on what the players on the team are saying about Mick and the program, because she tells him everything. I also have a good connection in the local media that I get a lot of info from. And lastly, I've got connections in the cheerleading squad and others at the university itself. I hear a lot of stuff that is very interesting and from great sources. I do not post 95% of what I hear because I've been asked not to in many of these cases. But what I am hearing definitely has an impact on how I tend to post on here. If you think there is a general theme to the type of posts that I make, understand that I have some pretty good knowledge of things that are going on. I don't want anybody to read this and assume that I am saying the news is all bad. I've heard a lot of good stuff going on, but I've also heard a lot of bad stuff. That is why I tend to be in the middle with Mick. There's enough good that I think we need to be somewhat patient with him, but also enough bad that I am seriously doubting if he will pull us out of this funk we are in. Anyway, I'm supporting him, but I sure wish some good news about anything would start happening soon.

[LongTimer]

Just as much fact as Tony Yates coached is first year in the Great Midwest. That is not true. It just seems to me that people like to rewrite history in an attempt to make this team and this coach look bad. I am in the middle of the road with Mick. I am in the wait and see for this year. I also met and spoke with Tony Yates on several occasions while he was the coach. A very nice guy as I am sure Mick is. Toward the end of Yate's coaching career here at UC, I was ready to see him go. I may get to that point with Mick but I am not there yet.

I also knew Tony Yates very well and talked to him a lot. He is one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I was a huge supporter of him and admit that I wanted him to get one more year to see what he could have done in the new arena. Whatever conference we were in back then, it wasn't the Big East and we won "3" games. I'm not putting down Mick, but I am not giving him credit for starting in the worst situation ever as many on here do. He was coming into a depleted roster in a program that had been on probation and had 5 years of poor results leading up to him. Cronin took over a depleted roster of a top 10 program, and could have had an amazing point guard to lead the rebuilding. 3 years and not even an NIT. Yates turned it around in one year and got us to the NIT.

[GoCats1994]

Moderators - Since this thread has nothing to do with the University of Cincinnati, nor the basketball team, can we please close this?

[bearcatbret]

Longtimer - All I was trying to point out was that the Metro conference was a very respected basketball conference. It produced a few national championship teams. It should not be compared to the Great Midwest. That would be like comparing the ACC to the A10.

And when you are wrong about something such as this, you may be wrong about other issues as well.

[cincycpaw]

Moderators - Since this thread has nothing to do with the University of Cincinnati, nor the basketball team, can we please close this?

Or, you could simply ignore it if it's bothering you.

[LongTimer]

Longtimer - All I was trying to point out was that the Metro conference was a very respected basketball conference. It produced a few national championship teams. It should not be compared to the Great Midwest. That would be like comparing the ACC to the A10.

And when you are wrong about something such as this, you may be wrong about other issues as well.

Sorry if all the obscure conference names ran together in my mind. It means nothing to what I said. Insert whatever conference you want in this argument.

[LongTimer]

Moderators - Since this thread has nothing to do with the University of Cincinnati, nor the basketball team, can we please close this?

Actually, the thread started as a UK thread and it has now been converted to a UC thread.

[ralph1950]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;80716]Ralph and Bearcatbret, I continue to post this because I heard Mick state it on the radio and I have a number of friends who listened to Mick tell the story at a sports stag at a local high school. This all came right out of the coach's mouth, so I don't know why you continue to say it isn't true. This is common knowledge.

There is nothing common knowledge about it and Mick never said it, it is not true, Downey was gone the night Mick was hired.

[bearcatbret]

But since this started out as a UK thread and has been hijacked into an UC thread, I will mention that some in Big10 land are making arguments for six different BEast teams (UC being one) to join the Big 10. You can check it out in the football forum.

[Lobot]

Moderators - Since this thread has nothing to do with the University of Cincinnati, nor the basketball team, can we please close this?

Based on where the thread went, renaming the thread would be a better option IMO. Have any suggestions?

[bearcatbret]

UK recruiting versus UC's past and future :)

[Mick's Da Man]

But since this started out as a UK thread and has been hijacked into an UC thread, I will mention that some in Big10 land are making arguments for six different BEast teams (UC being one) to join the Big 10. You can check it out in the general forum.

I'd rather the Big East split and add Memphis for football before anyone leaves and joins the Big 10. Now I could see Penn State leaving and joining the Big East f-ball schools......or I'd like to see it.

UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Rutgers
Louisville
South Florida
Cincinnati


Memphis
Extend option to Notre Dame first (which they will decline) and then Penn State (which they probably decline)........and then........???

[Lobot]

How'd we get into football? We're already off topic. At least stay in the same sport!

[richard k.]

I'd rather the Big East split and add Memphis for football before anyone leaves and joins the Big 10. Now I could see Penn State leaving and joining the Big East f-ball schools......or I'd like to see it.

UConn
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Rutgers
Louisville
South Florida
Cincinnati


Memphis
Extend option to Notre Dame first (which they will decline) and then Penn State (which they probably decline)........and then........???

Boston College - and then?

Probably Central Florida

[bearcatbret]

Sorry Lobot. If the Big10 steals a BEast team, it would be for basketball too. But I think that it would be devastating to lose a football school from the BEast. Not so bad if we lose a basketball only school.

[ME80]

Based on where the thread went, renaming the thread would be a better option IMO. Have any suggestions?

He Said She Said :)

[Lobot]

Thread title change warning

[Doss]

Two faced?

If you post something to the effect "How much better we would be if Huggs were still coach" you get told "Mick is the coach, move on"

That same group has has no trouble saying "If we were still in C-USA or GMW" we would have made the dance. Is that talking out of both side of your mouth? Well we are in the BEAST so move on!

[Lobot]

Two faced?

If you post something to the efect "How much better we would be if Huggs were still coach" you get told "Mick is the coach, move on"

That same group has has no trouble saying "If we were still in C-USA or GMW" we would have made the dance. Is that talking out of both side of your mouth? Well we are in the BEAST so move on!

If we could get both groups to actually move on this would be a much better board frankly. Doss, this is the best idea I've seen from you in a long time. I hope everyone reads your post and does exactly what it says.

[Jet23]

[QUOTE=LongTimer;80716]Ralph and Bearcatbret, I continue to post this because I heard Mick state it on the radio and I have a number of friends who listened to Mick tell the story at a sports stag at a local high school. This all came right out of the coach's mouth, so I don't know why you continue to say it isn't true. This is common knowledge.

There is nothing common knowledge about it and Mick never said it, it is not true, Downey was gone the night Mick was hired.


If it is not true than Mick is lying about it, because I too heard it straight from his mouth at a golf outing. Mick was not happy with Downey's dress and body language when he entered his office. MC told Downey to leave and only return if he can show him the same respect that he would show Coach K when entering his office.

[LongTimer]

[QUOTE=ralph1950;80736]


If it is not true than Mick is lying about it, because I too heard it straight from his mouth at a golf outing. Mick was not happy with Downey's dress and body language when he entered his office. MC told Downey to leave and only return if he can show him the same respect that he would show Coach K when entering his office.

I hadn't heard the dress and body language comments, but Mick has definitey said that Downey first requested to transfer and then changed his mind and asked to stay. I remember Mick commenting that sometimes you just have to live with the decisions that you make (referring to Downey) implying that he didn't like the back and forth....I want to leave....No, I don't want to leave...indeciseiveness. I think I would have said..."Welcome back Mr. Downey"!

[Lobot]

Regardless of who's right or wrong. Devan Downey is no longer a part of the Bearcat basketball program. You can discuss him further in the Where Are They Now? forum which already has a thread pertaining to him. Thanks.

[RobPoppeil]

Regardless of who's right or wrong. Devan Downey is no longer a part of the Bearcat basketball program. You can discuss him further in the Where Are They Now? forum which already has a thread pertaining to him. Thanks.

I believe the discussion is based around Mick's decision. Since Mick is still with the program it should still be considered a pertanent topic.

[Lobot]

I believe the discussion is based around Mick's decision. Since Mick is still with the program it should still be considered a pertanent topic.

Look this topic has been rehashed several times. Either move to the other forum or let it die.

[RobPoppeil]

Look this topic has been rehashed several times. Either move to the other forum or let it die.

Yes master.

[Pie Hole]

But since this started out as a UK thread and has been hijacked into an UC thread, I will mention that some in Big10 land are making arguments for six different BEast teams (UC being one) to join the Big 10. You can check it out in the football forum.

I would absolutely LOVE for this to happen. I think the Big 10 would give us a better chance to compete in basketball. We might struggle initially with football, but the opportunity to coach in the Big 10 might keep Kelly around for a few years.

[LongTimer]

I would absolutely LOVE for this to happen. I think the Big 10 would give us a better chance to compete in basketball. We might struggle initially with football, but the opportunity to coach in the Big 10 might keep Kelly around for a few years.

I think we could recruit much better playing in the Big 10, since we are more of a midwestern university. It makes a little more sense from a geographical standpoint and a demographics standpoint to be in that conference than in the Big East. I think it would have positive ramifications for both basketball and football.

[cincycpaw]

I think we could recruit much better playing in the Big 10, since we are more of a midwestern university. It makes a little more sense from a geographical standpoint and a demographics standpoint to be in that conference than in the Big East. I think it would have positive ramifications for both basketball and football.


I agree. However, I'd kinda like for both to succeed in the BIg East before moving on.

Also, I really don't like watching Big 10 basketball that much, so for selfish reasons I'd rather remain in the Big East.

[Bearcat Jeff]

Last statement I saw was that the Big Eleven had no plans to add any more teams.

[bearcatbret]

Last statement I saw was that the Big Eleven had no plans to add any more teams.

There is just speculation out there because of the statements made by Joe Pa. The Detroit Free Press listed the top ten schools that they thought should be invited. See the thread in the football forum.