Lance Stephenson

[jlr1523]

Wow. I wounder if UC is still interested, if they even were to begin with.


http://www.yahoo.com/s/1079651

[catscratchfever]

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this article!
I do not mean this as a slight at all, and guys please do not turn this into a fight, but this is the kind of guy we used to get and be successful with! The guy with the talent to play anywhere, but the character no one wanted...
just sayin...maybe???

[Bcat]

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this article!
I do not mean this as a slight at all, and guys please do not turn this into a fight, but this is the kind of guy we used to get and be successful with! The guy with the talent to play anywhere, but the character no one wanted...
just sayin...maybe???

I am not trying to respond with a fight type response but that is not true at all. UC brought in a few big recruits that had some issues in the past. Not as many as people want to think or believe. Most of the trouble happened after they were in college. Lance Stephenson would be a good one and done guy to have. He has about 5 things from the past year that are not good. Three of which led to charges or at least arrests. He would be good to have on the team for talent. He might be a nice guy but to say he is the kind of guy that UC used to bring in is ridiculous and he is better than just about everyone who UC brought in here in the past.

[Bcat]

Also, I would take him because it will still open up a scholarship for next year. That gives UC a great player for one year and then gives them three scholarships to use. It is a big time recruit and talent, they would just have to keep him out of trouble or from being a pain in the ***. I think Mick is capable of that. Although, I am just basing the pain in the *** thing off of what I have read or seen about his issues with the law. That would be very nice if he came to UC. I doubt he signs anywhere before July 1st when his assault case is over with.

[Pie Hole]

I am not trying to respond with a fight type response but that is not true at all. UC brought in a few big recruits that had some issues in the past. Not as many as people want to think or believe. Most of the trouble happened after they were in college. Lance Stephenson would be a good one and done guy to have. He has about 5 things from the past year that are not good. Three of which led to charges or at least arrests. He would be good to have on the team for talent. He might be a nice guy but to say he is the kind of guy that UC used to bring in is ridiculous and he is better than just about everyone who UC brought in here in the past.

I think the reward outways the risk in this circumstance. If Mick can get him then Mick should take him.

[Bcatfan08]

Were we really successful at bringing in a lot of five star players? We may have had one every now and then, but we were never really successful at bringing in five star players. We were very successful at bringing in three and four star players that had five star potential, but no one else would go near them because of their problems.

[CincyBearcat95]

I'm sorry, but everyone else is backing off of him. I don't think the risk outweighs the reward at all. Not only would it show everyone that we are desperate, but also that we are willing to sell out to win.

It would negatively impact us in the press and with other recruits. Our team is not that bad off that we need to take someone with all of these problems including a father that no one can deal with.

[CincyBearcat95]

Huggs took some guys with past problems, but I don't think he took guys with current problems. It always seemed to be that he was giving a second chance to the players. Maybe that was just my fan glasses though.

[Lobot]

I'm in the corner that this guy is more trouble than he is worth unless he's DerMarr Johnson. Then maybe you take him. Otherwise forget it. Don't need the baggage.

[gocats13]

I think that if there is any interest, that we should give him a shot. Not only would he help out the team a great deal skill wise, just think of the publicity. So many people angry with the current attendance (me included) and Stephenson would boost the attendance a great deal in my opinion.

[Lobot]

I think that if there is any interest, that we should give him a shot. Not only would he help out the team a great deal skill wise, just think of the publicity. So many people angry with the current attendance (me included) and Stephenson would boost the attendance a great deal in my opinion.

Is this a really a good reason to bring in a recruit?

[dp3113]

The most underrated aspect in all of sports....team chemistry. It can make or break a team, and a single cancer in the locker room can kill a season. We may be in the lower half of the Big East in terms of talent, but I don't think he's worth it.

[London 'Cat]

I doubt Cronin is seriously interested based on how he handled Mitchell. I am not comparing Mitchell to Stephenson in terms of talent but the chemistry aspect. Mitchell did not have the right attitude, from Cronin's viewpoint, thus he was suspended his freshman year and eventually dismissed from the team. It seems to me that Stephenson is a far greater risk from this aspect than Mitchell. I just don't see Cronin wanting the baggage associated with Stephenson.

[Bearcat Jeff]

Stephenson is the ultimate "me first" guy. He may have learned some lessons this past season who who has said from the first time the UC/Lance rumors were muttered in April that I do not want this kid at U.C..The Cats will have a good team next year. I want players with Stephensons talent, but I don't want him. This program is starting to rise above the ashes of the past. If Mick signs this kid and he implodes it will take us right back where we were. There is a reason everybody has backed off.

[beeman7467]

Not worth the trouble. With the rest of the world backing off of him, there must be a reason. Anytime the word circus and a recruit are used in the same sentence, it is not a good thing.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I think FIU might take a risk on him.

[Bearcat Cafe]

Huggs took some guys with past problems, but I don't think he took guys with current problems. It always seemed to be that he was giving a second chance to the players. Maybe that was just my fan glasses though.


How soon we forget The Whale.

[Namrag]

Not only Whalen, but Art Long as well...

[kcat]

No thanks.....

[ralph1950]

UC still has a shot at Bledsoe. While he signed a LOI with UK his Mom refuses to sign it, without her signature the LOI is not binding. His Mom wants him to go to UC so stay tuned.

[DMoney_70]

I'm in the corner that this guy is more trouble than he is worth unless he's DerMarr Johnson. Then maybe you take him. Otherwise forget it. Don't need the baggage.

Count me in this crowd as well. If you are as good as he is and he can't find a school, that has to tell you something. Of course this board is full of people that mock the team for their APR improvements so I fully expect they would want Satan if he can dunk and shoot the 3.

[cincycpaw]

Is this a really a good reason to bring in a recruit?

To win more? Yes.

[DMoney_70]

Also, Mick in the quote from another thread said they had 1 scholarship and they know what they are going to do with it so he sounds like he's done, although we haven't heard anything yet. I don't think he's looking at this hedache of a kid.

I would love to go off on the Bledsoe tangent if it was more than just one guy (Ralph) bringing it up. Does ANYONE else have any similar info?

[Richard_Head]

Stephenson is the ultimate "me first" guy. He may have learned some lessons this past season who who has said from the first time the UC/Lance rumors were muttered in April that I do not want this kid at U.C..The Cats will have a good team next year. I want players with Stephensons talent, but I don't want him. This program is starting to rise above the ashes of the past. If Mick signs this kid and he implodes it will take us right back where we were. There is a reason everybody has backed off.

I will play a little devil's advacate with you, what happens if Lance decides to sign hear and comes in for one season only is a model teamate and the bearcats make a good run in the tournament? Lance by all accounts is a tremendous player and for one year maybe one of the better players in the Big East, after reading a few article from New York most things I read about him is that he just needs to get away from the people in New York. I would be all for it for one reason we all know he is a one and done if your going to hold a scholarship anyway for next year because you cannot find a Big East caliber player at this point what is the risk. If he messes up do the samething you did with Mitchell suspened him and get rid of him. I think it would add some recruiting buzz back into the cincinnati name especially if it worked out. Just my two cents.

[Richard_Head]

Not worth the trouble. With the rest of the world backing off of him, there must be a reason. Anytime the word circus and a recruit are used in the same sentence, it is not a good thing.

They have backed off of him because of his legal problem. Kansas wanted him until Calipari took the UK job and they ended up with Henry.

[Richard_Head]

UC still has a shot at Bledsoe. While he signed a LOI with UK his Mom refuses to sign it, without her signature the LOI is not binding. His Mom wants him to go to UC so stay tuned.

ralph stop it you got one thread closed with this crap and I have seen no evidence of this...even if true the kid didn't want to be at UC him mom did so do you really want him anyway?

[Richard_Head]

Count me in this crowd as well. If you are as good as he is and he can't find a school, that has to tell you something. Of course this board is full of people that mock the team for their APR improvements so I fully expect they would want Satan if he can dunk and shoot the 3.

666 goes up for a killer 360...I kid of course but I'm in the corner of taking on Lance if Mick thinks he can make it work I like the makeup of this team currently and think with him they would have a real chance to be in the top 4 of the Big East. IF he kept his head straight for one season, and you have to wonder if not being signed by now isn't a little humbling?

[DMoney_70]

666 goes up for a killer 360...I kid of course but I'm in the corner of taking on Lance if Mick thinks he can make it work I like the makeup of this team currently and think with him they would have a real chance to be in the top 4 of the Big East. IF he kept his head straight for one season, and you have to wonder if not being signed by now isn't a little humbling?


Now you got me thinking more. Maybe.

[shaunsimpson]

Mick has to be the one to coach him here so it is all on him. If he thinks he can control the kid and get him to play in his system then you take him with a smile on your face and Mick gets the praise or the criticism 10 months from now. If Mick doesn't want him then he is the same as many, many other coaches in the country. You wish you had that talent, but understand what it is.

I am not the biggest one and done fan in the world, but if you have an open scholarship or a need at a position then you take one.

I don't know if he is looking at UC or vice versa, but Mick gets the credit or the criticism for this one either way. There is no "the kid didn't work hard" or "he was a cancer" since you know going in that those are possibilities.

[Richard_Head]

Now you got me thinking more. Maybe.

That's good think along with me a little bit here, this is the first time we have really had upperclassmen coming back in the last couple of season. I think this would lend itself to haveing a little leadership on the team to take on a guy like this. You understand he is a one and done so you get the scholarshp back next year it creates a little buzz if he preforms and stays out of trouble and gives you a little boost in recruiting. Maybe kids start to remember the UC name again with a signing like this. Of course this is only the good side of the signing.

[Richard_Head]

Mick has to be the one to coach him here so it is all on him. If he thinks he can control the kid and get him to play in his system then you take him with a smile on your face and Mick gets the praise or the criticism 10 months from now. If Mick doesn't want him then he is the same as many, many other coaches in the country. You wish you had that talent, but understand what it is.

I am not the biggest one and done fan in the world, but if you have an open scholarship or a need at a position then you take one.

I don't know if he is looking at UC or vice versa, but Mick gets the credit or the criticism for this one either way. There is no "the kid didn't work hard" or "he was a cancer" since you know going in that those are possibilities.

Agreed and if your going to hold over a scholarship anyway and can get him to come here I think this season I would be willing to take that chance knowing that it could work out really good or really bad.

[CroninCrazy]

ralph stop it you got one thread closed with this crap and I have seen no evidence of this...even if true the kid didn't want to be at UC him mom did so do you really want him anyway?

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away?

[cspeed]

Count me in this crowd as well. If you are as good as he is and he can't find a school, that has to tell you something. Of course this board is full of people that mock the team for their APR improvements so I fully expect they would want Satan if he can dunk and shoot the 3.

That was funy D Money !!!! I was thinking of the same thing, coaches have egos, that they can save everyone from the depths of the ocean, if they can dribble, drive and dunk !!!
I do think that you look at this kid very seriously. Especially if he is a 'one and done'. That type of talent doesnt come around to a program that is trying to improve there talent level very often. If he is from NY, he would have the oppurntunity to play at home from being in the BEAST. If it doesnt work out, it doesnt work out. MC can say he gave a kid a shot at turning his life around. Didn't Wingfield have problems before he arrived in Clifton. He was a 'one and done guy', that helped a team in terms of wins and loses. I am not at all up to speed on the problems that Lance is up for, but if it's not a big ordeal, I take a shot. He would help in attendence and wins and that is what UC needs. If he's more of a headache half way through the year, get rid of him.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

That was funy D Money !!!! I was thinking of the same thing, coaches have egos, that they can save everyone from the depths of the ocean, if they can dribble, drive and dunk !!!
I do think that you look at this kid very seriously. Especially if he is a 'one and done'. That type of talent doesnt come around to a program that is trying to improve there talent level very often. If he is from NY, he would have the oppurntunity to play at home from being in the BEAST. If it doesnt work out, it doesnt work out. MC can say he gave a kid a shot at turning his life around. Didn't Wingfield have problems before he arrived in Clifton. He was a 'one and done guy', that helped a team in terms of wins and loses. I am not at all up to speed on the problems that Lance is up for, but if it's not a big ordeal, I take a shot. He would help in attendence and wins and that is what UC needs. If he's more of a headache half way through the year, get rid of him.

If we take this kid, all of the girls on campus better run and hide.

[bavermme]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/31/AR2009053102146_3.html?nav=emailpage

This Washington Post article is much more in depth about his whole situation. UC is not mentioned however.

[Richard_Head]

If we take this kid, all of the girls on campus better run and hide.

I don't think that he has ever been convicted of anything correct? I know he was charged with a class B Misdemeanor for gropping a 17 year old girl, but that was last October and he has never been convicted so I will hold off judgement on that until he has been convicted in a court of law. With or without being a UC recuit I would feel that way.

[shaunsimpson]

Zags blog had an entry a while ago:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/13/jonny-flynn-to-sign-with-an-agent-cincy-rutgers-not-recruiting-lance/

I am sure this has been mentioned in the past and I hesitate to put anything up from this long ago (Apr 13, 2009) since the recruiting world changes, but it is a story of note.


CINCY, RUTGERS NOT RECRUITING LANCE
Despite rumors that Lance Stephenson has reached out to Cincinnati and Rutgers, both schools emphatically deny that that is the case.
“We haven’t talked to Lance,” said a source within the Cincinnati program. “I don’t know how that got put out there. We’ve never talked to Lance or his dad.”
Sources at Rutgers said the same thing.

[Richard_Head]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/31/AR2009053102146_3.html?nav=emailpage

This Washington Post article is much more in depth about his whole situation. UC is not mentioned however.

UC isn't mentioned but everything I have seen on him at this point is he is looking for a school that will take him and it doesn't seem that he has many suitors at this point, and I don't think the legal problem is what is scaring them off it seems to be more of the question of his eligability as an amatuer this kid seems to have gotten some bad advice along the way. As most do when your good at something and have the option to make a lot of money in the future and you currently have nothing.

[Richard_Head]

Zags blog had an entry a while ago:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/04/13/jonny-flynn-to-sign-with-an-agent-cincy-rutgers-not-recruiting-lance/

I am sure this has been mentioned in the past and I hesitate to put anything up from this long ago (Apr 13, 2009) since the recruiting world changes, but it is a story of note.


CINCY, RUTGERS NOT RECRUITING LANCE
Despite rumors that Lance Stephenson has reached out to Cincinnati and Rutgers, both schools emphatically deny that that is the case.
“We haven’t talked to Lance,” said a source within the Cincinnati program. “I don’t know how that got put out there. We’ve never talked to Lance or his dad.”
Sources at Rutgers said the same thing.

Shuan I agree a lot has changed since April 13th and a lot seems to have change with Lance his options seem to be none at this point so if UC is willing he maybe as well. Who knows if UC is willing however.

[bavermme]

I want to see evidence of teammates saying they dislike playing with the guy. These articles say that "he barks at teammates." Well, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, and countless other great players bark at teammates. Great players need to get others motivated. Stephenson won a New York State Championship. Read that again. You can win with this guy. We can win with this guy. Anyway, The Post article indicated that the legal matter may be settled before the next hearing June 29, so hopefully his legal status is known by then. We have a scholly. If he leaves, we have it back; if he stays we have a 5 Star caliber recruit for another year. If he gets in trouble, we still have the same team we had going in. No brainer!

[Richard_Head]

Although the more I read about Lance the more I wonder if he will ever play college basketball.

[Richard_Head]

I want to see evidence of teammates saying they dislike playing with the guy. These articles say that "he barks at teammates." Well, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, and countless other great players bark at teammates. Great players need to get others motivated. Stephenson won a New York State Championship. Read that again. You can win with this guy. We can win with this guy. Anyway, The Post article indicated that the legal matter may be settled before the next hearing June 29, so hopefully his legal status is known by then. We have a scholly. If he leaves, we have it back; if he stays we have a 5 Star caliber recruit for another year. If he gets in trouble, we still have the same team we had going in. No brainer!

Not only did he win a New York State title but I thought somewhere I read that his team won 3 in a row.

[Ran513]

I will play a little devil's advacate with you, what happens if Lance decides to sign hear and comes in for one season only is a model teamate and the bearcats make a good run in the tournament? Lance by all accounts is a tremendous player and for one year maybe one of the better players in the Big East, after reading a few article from New York most things I read about him is that he just needs to get away from the people in New York. I would be all for it for one reason we all know he is a one and done if your going to hold a scholarship anyway for next year because you cannot find a Big East caliber player at this point what is the risk. If he messes up do the samething you did with Mitchell suspened him and get rid of him. I think it would add some recruiting buzz back into the cincinnati name especially if it worked out. Just my two cents.nice two cents, could i have more, to me it seems like we really only stand to gain from it, he does well he creates a buzz about U.C. in a recruiting hot bed as well as nationally. He acts a fool ,you show him the door rapidly, wish him the best, and move on. The beauty being, he doesnt have many options, you can lay it out there for him just like that, one misstep youre out.

[CincyBearcat95]

How soon we forget The Whale.

That's right Robert Whaley. Did Whaley have something outstanding when he started at UC? I thought Long had resolved his charge (was is a drug charge) before he came to UC?

Minor point, I know. Still not the type we want now!

[LongTimer]

Our softer, gentler, cleaner image post Huggs has really done nothing for us. Yes, there are less negative stories about us, but there are far less stories in general about us because our basketball team has sucked. Sometimes, you have to gamble to make something good happen. Our program needs a shot in the arm, something to turn us around and get the positive mojo flowing again. I say, take the gamble with Stephenson and trust Mick to keep him under control.

[Richard_Head]

Our softer, gentler, cleaner image post Huggs has really done nothing for us. Yes, there are less negative stories about us, but there are far less stories in general about us because our basketball team has sucked. Sometimes, you have to gamble to make something good happen. Our program needs a shot in the arm, something to turn us around and get the positive mojo flowing again. I say, take the gamble with Stephenson and trust Mick to keep him under control.

Glad to hear your on board with my thinking, now if we could just UC and Lance on board oh and also figure out if he forfieted his amatuer status with the webtv show he did.

[gocats13]

If we take this kid, all of the girls on campus better run and hide.

Thats the kind of comment that you should keep to yourself.

[Richard_Head]

Thats the kind of comment that you should keep to yourself.

I tried to say that in a nice way.

[Globe Trotting Cat Fan]

As always, this is only my opinion.

Lance does indeed have out of this world talent and ability, but the excess baggage at this time may be a little too much for the team to try to ingratiate in to itself.

The saying is simply "when there is smoke, there is fire" and unfortunately for Lance, there has been smoke for a long time now.

Would I love to have the kids talent and ability on this team? Of course, that in my mind is a no brainer.

However, when we live in a day and age where one and done's affect things like APR and where image is very important for the school and the team, taking a kid like Lance could be more trouble than it is worth.

[BearcatAlum1]

No way in he!! he is Bearcat. This kid is t-r-o-u-b-l-e. Unfortunately, some school will reward his terrible off-court behavior for the chance to win a few extra games. I am against UC getting involved with him. I don't think he will come to UC, but I would be very disappointed if we are still recruiting him.

[Richard_Head]

^ No way in he!! he is Bearcat. This kid is t-r-o-u-b-l-e. Unfortunately, some school will reward his terrible off-court behavior for the chance to win a few extra games. I am against UC getting involved with him. I don't think he will come to UC, but I would be very disappointed if we are still recruiting him.

What terrible off court behavior do you speak of? I have looked a lot of things about this kid and a lot of the bad talk about him all seems to come from the webtv show he did about himself and I have watch a little bit of it and I don't think he is any different then in other teenage kid that has been told his entire life that he was going to be good at something. Is there really in difference between him and OJ Mayo. Now I know there is the legal problem but that has been out there since October and New York has been slow to move on it. I read that it maybe settle before July and he isn't going to get into any real trouble from it. Sounds like it may be made out to be a bigger deal then it really is.

[Richard_Head]

As always, this is only my opinion.

Lance does indeed have out of this world talent and ability, but the excess baggage at this time may be a little too much for the team to try to ingratiate in to itself.

The saying is simply "when there is smoke, there is fire" and unfortunately for Lance, there has been smoke for a long time now.

Would I love to have the kids talent and ability on this team? Of course, that in my mind is a no brainer.

However, when we live in a day and age where one and done's affect things like APR and where image is very important for the school and the team, taking a kid like Lance could be more trouble than it is worth.

I agree taking this kid on would have a chance to blow up in your face I don't deny that there would be a down side to it.

[DimitriusChristedes]

Things are trickier for uc than they are for other schools. It would not shock me one bit to see uk, osu, Florida, etc take a chance on the lid- if he screws up, he will be dismissed and that will be that. There wouldn't be the media scrutiny as to the morals of the program, or the scholarship penalty concerns that there would be at uc. The same rules do not apply to everyone. We may be graduating near 100% of our players now, with nary an off court incident, but we're still uc, and convential wisdom will say we are still the same program we were, despite the change, at the first sign of trouble. Even our technical fouls felt overly scrutinized this year. So I don't think we take a chance on this kid, even
If he wants to come. Mick knows what the consequences could be.

[Richard_Head]

Things are trickier for uc than they are for other schools. It would not shock me one bit to see uk, osu, Florida, etc take a chance on the lid- if he screws up, he will be dismissed and that will be that. There wouldn't be the media scrutiny as to the morals of the program, or the scholarship penalty concerns that there would be at uc. The same rules do not apply to everyone. We may be graduating near 100% of our players now, with nary an off court incident, but we're still uc, and convential wisdom will say we are still the same program we were, despite the change, at the first sign of trouble. Even our technical fouls felt overly scrutinized this year. So I don't think we take a chance on this kid, even
If he wants to come. Mick knows what the consequences could be.

IF they are interested in Lance I wouldn't let that stand in my way, a lot of things that were said about this program were never true to begin with and the people reporting it never took the time to look up the right information. It was just laziness on thier part.

[LongTimer]

Things are trickier for uc than they are for other schools. It would not shock me one bit to see uk, osu, Florida, etc take a chance on the lid- if he screws up, he will be dismissed and that will be that. There wouldn't be the media scrutiny as to the morals of the program, or the scholarship penalty concerns that there would be at uc. The same rules do not apply to everyone. We may be graduating near 100% of our players now, with nary an off court incident, but we're still uc, and convential wisdom will say we are still the same program we were, despite the change, at the first sign of trouble. Even our technical fouls felt overly scrutinized this year. So I don't think we take a chance on this kid, even
If he wants to come. Mick knows what the consequences could be.

We graduate everyone, no big off the court issues, and our basketball program is on the decline. When you can't win and can't make the post-season, nobody cares about your graduation rates and off the court behavior. Mick does indeed know the consequences...if he doesn't start winning now, he will be looking for work. If he has a discipline issue, he can afford that more than he can another sub-par season on the court.

[Richard_Head]

We graduate everyone, no big off the court issues, and our basketball program is on the decline. When you can't win and can't make the post-season, nobody cares about your graduation rates and off the court behavior. Mick does indeed know the consequences...if he doesn't start winning now, he will be looking for work. If he has a discipline issue, he can afford that more than he can another sub-par season on the court.

This is one of the reasons that if I was Mick this year I would be willing to take this chance...

[Bearcat Cafe]

That's right Robert Whaley. Did Whaley have something outstanding when he started at UC? I thought Long had resolved his charge (was is a drug charge) before he came to UC?

Minor point, I know. Still not the type we want now!

The Whale beat somone with a wooden chair leg in a campus parking lot mele the summer before he got here. Charges got busted down after the prosecutor decided it wasn't worth the headache (no pun intended). It was just another entry on a looong list of red flags the previous 4 years with that dude. The Enquirer and the national media had a field day with it.

[Namrag]

Whaley also had sex with a very underage girl. He said he was asleep when she took advantage of him. She said he was fully awake and fully participating....

After seeing Whaley, his plea of not being consciously aware of what was going on actually has some possible validity.....

Art Long was busted at his JC for selling pot. He got it plea-bargained down to a misdemeanor to allow him to be eligible to play at UC.

Whaley never contributed at UC.

Long was a very good player for us, whom I liked as a player. But I always felt that we never should have taken him....

[Ran513]

can any one pm me a link of the lance "issues" or some info as to why he has been given the **** spawn label, I personally do not know him so i want to be aware of all the "facts " before i comment on him personally any further

[Richard_Head]

can any one pm me a link of the lance "issues" or some info as to why he has been given the **** spawn label, I personally do not know him so i want to be aware of all the "facts " before i comment on him personally any further

PM'd you some info on the kid, google his name and you could read all about him.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Thats the kind of comment that you should keep to yourself.

With all the ignorant comments on these boards, you choose to pick on this? Get real!! First of all, it was just a joke. I believe it everyone's right to a fair trial, and second chances. But.........let's face facts here.....these college coaches are steering clear of this guy for a reason.

I think some of you guys would like O.J. to play for the football team if he was eligible....and in his prime.

[BearcatAlum1]

IF they are interested in Lance I wouldn't let that stand in my way, a lot of things that were said about this program were never true to begin with and the people reporting it never took the time to look up the right information. It was just laziness on thier part.

Unfortunately, perception and reality are one and the same. Many take perception as the truth, whether or not it is "accurate."

Yes, it is true that UC was unfairly "labeled," but we didn't help the cause.

Alum1

[Ran513]

With all the ignorant comments on these boards, you choose to pick on this? Get real!! First of all, it was just a joke. I believe it everyone's right to a fair trial, and second chances. But.........let's face facts here.....these college coaches are steering clear of this guy for a reason.

I think some of you guys would like O.J. to play for the football team if he was eligible....and in his prime.I hear what you are saying, but what are the"facts", and you nor I KNOW why he is available, all we have is speculation. Like you said there is a reason, but for some of us to act as though we KNOW any more about him than some one has told us or written does not exactly equal facts, more like opinions.

[westsidecat]

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I just wanted to jump on the little bit of Bledsoe talk that I read on this page.

If Eric is 18, that makes him an adult. It wouldn't matter if his mom wanted him to come here or not...he's 18.

Now, if he is only 17, then this could be something. I have tried to find his birthday, but can't find it. If anyone happens to find it, post it. If he's 18 or over, then it wouldn't matter what his mom wants.

[Richard_Head]

With all the ignorant comments on these boards, you choose to pick on this? Get real!! First of all, it was just a joke. I believe it everyone's right to a fair trial, and second chances. But.........let's face facts here.....these college coaches are steering clear of this guy for a reason.

I think some of you guys would like O.J. to play for the football team if he was eligible....and in his prime.

I would ask who is steering clear of him, it has been said that Arizon is interested in him, Kansas backed out because of Xavier Henry so they know longer had a need, St. Johns was said to have rolled out the red carpet for the kid, and the only one that I can find that backed off is Williams in Maryland and that seems to be because he cannot take the risk as he may lose his job. Most of the people that are talking about him are not talking about the arrest as much as they are concerned about him being eligible since the webtv show "MAY" have paid him or his parents money and that is being investigated. So until the NCAA rules on that he will probably hang out there. Again is he a risk yes but it's not hard to look the kid up and read a little bit. He is labled an attitude problem because to the webtv show that was done about him. What 17 year old kid that got followed around for tv wouldn't have that attitude?

[Richard_Head]

[/I]

I just wanted to jump on the little bit of Bledsoe talk that I read on this page.

If Eric is 18, that makes him an adult. It wouldn't matter if his mom wanted him to come here or not...he's 18.

Now, if he is only 17, then this could be something. I have tried to find his birthday, but can't find it. If anyone happens to find it, post it. If he's 18 or over, then it wouldn't matter what his mom wants.

Not sure of his age, but like I said before the kid didn't sign here the first time why would you want him who cares what his mother wants.

[westsidecat]

Not sure of his age, but like I said before the kid didn't sign here the first time why would you want him who cares what his mother wants.

Well, I would want him because with Kingcash and Eric, that would be a pretty solid one, two punch at the 1 spot.

I agree, if he does want out, I would think he would go to Memphis, since that was his #2 choice.

I'm just trying to get a grip on this rumor, and why someone would be spreading it,and if he is 18, then this rumor carries no weight. Its hard for me to understand why someone would start this...

[gocats13]

[QUOTE=Oldtimer_UC_fan;83031]With all the ignorant comments on these boards, you choose to pick on this? Get real!! First of all, it was just a joke. I believe it everyone's right to a fair trial, and second chances. But.........let's face facts here.....these college coaches are steering clear of this guy for a reason.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone. That was the first really ignorant comment that I saw in this thread. Just because it was a joke doesn't make it right. If it did then we could all just come on here and trash people left and right and drop racial slurs like its our job and then just say it was a joke and be let off the hook. But thats not how things work. Just because it is a joke doesn't make it any less disrespectful. Like others have said no one really knows what all is going on in Stephenson's life. Comments like that one are ones that are unnecessary, I mean what do they add to the conversation?

[Richard_Head]

Well, I would want him because with Kingcash and Eric, that would be a pretty solid one, two punch at the 1 spot.

I agree, if he does want out, I would think he would go to Memphis, since that was his #2 choice.

Not that I wouldn't want him because I would but he didn't sign here to begin with so I assume he didn't want to be here.


I'm just trying to get a grip on this rumor, and why someone would be spreading it...

consider the source of the rumor and say no more.

[Ran513]

[QUOTE=Oldtimer_UC_fan;83031]With all the ignorant comments on these boards, you choose to pick on this? Get real!! First of all, it was just a joke. I believe it everyone's right to a fair trial, and second chances. But.........let's face facts here.....these college coaches are steering clear of this guy for a reason.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone. That was the first really ignorant comment that I saw in this thread. Just because it was a joke doesn't make it right. If it did then we could all just come on here and trash people left and right and drop racial slurs like its our job and then just say it was a joke and be let off the hook. But thats not how things work. Just because it is a joke doesn't make it any less disrespectful. Like others have said no one really knows what all is going on in Stephenson's life. Comments like that one are ones that are unnecessary, I mean what do they add to the conversation?Good point.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I hear what you are saying, but what are the"facts", and you nor I KNOW why he is available, all we have is speculation. Like you said there is a reason, but for some of us to act as though we KNOW any more about him than some one has told us or written does not exactly equal facts, more like opinions.

I admit that I don't have any of the facts. But, I have to believe that most of the coaches who have been recruiting him have at least some of them. For the kids' sake, I hope any accusations against him are not true.

[Helicopter]

That's right Robert Whaley. Did Whaley have something outstanding when he started at UC? I thought Long had resolved his charge (was is a drug charge) before he came to UC?

Minor point, I know. Still not the type we want now!

We always thoguht he hit someone with a baseball bat. Don't know if that was just rumor though...

[Richard_Head]

I admit that I don't have any of the facts. But, I have to believe that most of the coaches who have been recruiting him have at least some of them. For the kids' sake, I hope any accusations against him are not true.

Well if you don't know any of the facts I think the "joke" you made about him was pretty reckless then.

[Helicopter]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone. That was the first really ignorant comment that I saw in this thread. Just because it was a joke doesn't make it right. If it did then we could all just come on here and trash people left and right and drop racial slurs like its our job and then just say it was a joke and be let off the hook. But thats not how things work. Just because it is a joke doesn't make it any less disrespectful. Like others have said no one really knows what all is going on in Stephenson's life. Comments like that one are ones that are unnecessary, I mean what do they add to the conversation?[/QUOTE]

He didn't use any racial slurs. Your stretching now.

[dp3113]

I would ask who is steering clear of him, it has been said that Arizon is interested in him, Kansas backed out because of Xavier Henry so they know longer had a need, St. Johns was said to have rolled out the red carpet for the kid, and the only one that I can find that backed off is Williams in Maryland and that seems to be because he cannot take the risk as he may lose his job. Most of the people that are talking about him are not talking about the arrest as much as they are concerned about him being eligible since the webtv show "MAY" have paid him or his parents money and that is being investigated. So until the NCAA rules on that he will probably hang out there. Again is he a risk yes but it's not hard to look the kid up and read a little bit. He is labled an attitude problem because to the webtv show that was done about him. What 17 year old kid that got followed around for tv wouldn't have that attitude?

Isn't it clear that if a top 10 player in America (and previously #1 ranked overall in his early high school career), as well as the leading scorer in NY state history is unsigned and doesn't even have a definitive list of final schools on June 1st, that everyone is backing off of him? What more evidence do you need?

Also, if you are still unsure of the "risk" elements with him, read some more articles...I was notified by someone on the board of the red flags surrounding him and started doing some research...he has a pending battery charge, already has a child (some people might consider this a big deal, some not), as well as the constant rumors of him being a complete headcase....i don't see why you're still unclear why people are backing off, or by the clear fact that nearly everyone is backing away from him.

[behrlezt]

I think the reward outways the risk in this circumstance. If Mick can get him then Mick should take him.

For sure...who cares about the risk. The kid is a huge talent and would help our team!!!

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone. That was the first really ignorant comment that I saw in this thread. Just because it was a joke doesn't make it right. If it did then we could all just come on here and trash people left and right and drop racial slurs like its our job and then just say it was a joke and be let off the hook. But thats not how things work. Just because it is a joke doesn't make it any less disrespectful. Like others have said no one really knows what all is going on in Stephenson's life. Comments like that one are ones that are unnecessary, I mean what do they add to the conversation?

He didn't use any racial slurs. Your stretching now.[/QUOTE]

Nothing like making a mountain out of a molehill.

[TheLivingLegend]

Its very simple.. Can he play basketball? Yes.. Sign him up.

[catscratchfever]

I think some of you guys would like O.J. to play for the football team if he was eligible....and in his prime.
I'd take him without a doubt!!!!

[Ran513]

He didn't use any racial slurs. Your stretching now.

Nothing like making a mountain out of a molehill.[/QUOTE]i dont believe he was reffering to his post in this thread, but rather post in the past where they were used etc.

[Lobot]

Someone want to tell me where the racial slur was? I can't find it. PM me

[CincyBearcat95]

Someone want to tell me where the racial slur was? I can't find it. PM me

Brent,

There was no racial slur (that was thrown out as an example of what we should not do). It was stupid joke about the girls on campus should run if he comes here based on something about him messing around with a 17 year old girl when he was 18. I don't know what happened, but it was a stupid joke that someone on here made that has once again become the focus of conversation instead of UC basketball. We need to move on and discuss Stevenson.

I think he has a horrible attitude and that will ruin the team chemistry. Many think Mitchell ruined it last year and contributed to the collapse. What makes us think it won't happen again with Stevenson.

[Pie Hole]

Brent,

There was no racial slur (that was thrown out as an example of what we should not do). It was stupid joke about the girls on campus should run if he comes here based on something about him messing around with a 17 year old girl when he was 18. I don't know what happened, but it was a stupid joke that someone on here made that has once again become the focus of conversation instead of UC basketball. We need to move on and discuss Stevenson.

I think he has a horrible attitude and that will ruin the team chemistry. Many think Mitchell ruined it last year and contributed to the collapse. What makes us think it won't happen again with Stevenson.

The attitude is the only element that Mitchell and Stevenson have in common. Stevenson has 10 times the talent and potential than Mitchell ever had. Considering the current state of UC basketball, I don't believe we can afford to pass on that kind of talent.

I do believe, however, that this is nothing more than hypothetical talk. I've heard nothing that suggests UC is even on his radar. (At least it's something to talk about though).

[blackcattitude]

I think some of you guys would like O.J. to play for the football team if he was eligible....and in his prime.

we DO want a gamebreaking tailback....

[CincyBearcat95]

The attitude is the only element that Mitchell and Stevenson have in common. Stevenson has 10 times the talent and potential than Mitchell ever had. Considering the current state of UC basketball, I don't believe we can afford to pass on that kind of talent.

I do believe, however, that this is nothing more than hypothetical talk. I've heard nothing that suggests UC is even on his radar. (At least it's something to talk about though).

True...more about talk and less about reality.