Lance Stephenson and the NCAA Clearinghouse

[psax889906]

I know speculating about something like this can be a terrible idea; and waiting around for news an even worse one... but when should/could we expect a decision from the NCAA on whether or not Lance will be eligible for the upcoming season? Mick mentioned the first thing that has to happen is Lance has to be admitted to school, does anyone have information to verify if this has happened yet?

So aside from IF he will be granted eligibility or not, WHEN should we expect the news? By the end of the month? By the end of August? By the start of school?

[Pruke]

Are there any 'precedents'?

Was this reduced to a misdemeanor?

Not sure - gut feel is that he's still at risk...

[bcatwilly]

Not a clue, and my initial instinct is to think that the Bearcats will have another disappointment somehow out of this. Having said that, my one hope with this is that the whole "one and done" NBA age rule currently in effect will help here because the NCAA may not want to draw negative attention to itself after stripping this kid of his options late in the game when he can't play in the NBA yet. Now of course if somehow they can produce smoking gun evidence that money was provided to he or his family then they can do as they please without those angles being discussed.

[psax889906]

Are there any 'precedents'?

Was this reduced to a misdemeanor?

Not sure - gut feel is that he's still at risk...

The charge was reduced to 'Disorderly Conduct'... I'm not sure about precedents.

[subflea]

I don't think any announcement will be made unless it is the day before the first game and he hasn't been cleared.

[GoCats1994]

What does the clearing house have to do with the court case? eligibility is not tied to criminal records. It is tied to meeting eligibility requirements. This includes things like grades, test scores, paper work, amateur status, etc.

Unless I am mistaken - the court case is irrelevant to the clearinghouse. I believe the issues will be (assuming the grades/test scores are OK) the amateur status thing. Specifically...it will be all about whether or not he got paid for the web show.

[Bcatfan08]

I think the fact that Mick took him instead of someone like Riek makes me believe he'll be eligible. That and the fact that Kansas, Florida, and Arizona started recruiting him hard when it first came clear that he may come to UC. If he wasn't going to be eligible I doubt that many big schools would come calling.

[catscratchfever]

not sure if this has been posted already, but from zagsblog.com
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/07/11/stephenson-pleads-to-groping-charge/#more-19103

Yet several coaches who had recruited him told me this week at the Reebok All-American Camp that they were not concerned about the Website and that the family hadn’t broken any NCAA rules.

With the court case out of the way, Stephenson appears headed to join the Bearcats next fall, where he will join a talented team that includes point guard Deonta Vaughn and big man Yancy Gates.

Stephenson, who has not commented publicly since committing, is expected to leave New York for Cincinnati this week.

[ralph1950]

Expect a decision from the NCAA about November 15.

[Class of '85]

I don't think any announcement will be made unless it is the day before the first game and he hasn't been cleared.

Based on what happened with Hernol Hall an Adam H, he has to be cleared in order to practice.

They were held out of practice when they did not receive clearance.

And didn't Wilks get held out his freshman year until the clearinghouse lceared him?

[psax889906]

What does the clearing house have to do with the court case?

Nothing. Nobody said it did. The point is that now that the charges and case have been handled, that obstacle is no longer an issue, BUT, the Clearinghouse is. And as UC fans, THAT is the true obstacle we should be most concerned with lol.

[psax889906]

And didn't Wilks get held out his freshman year until the clearinghouse lceared him?

I believe he did miss a few weeks of early fall practice.

[Kindog202]

not sure if this has been posted already, but from zagsblog.com
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/07/11/stephenson-pleads-to-groping-charge/#more-19103

Yet several coaches who had recruited him told me this week at the Reebok All-American Camp that they were not concerned about the Website and that the family hadn’t broken any NCAA rules.

With the court case out of the way, Stephenson appears headed to join the Bearcats next fall, where he will join a talented team that includes point guard Deonta Vaughn and big man Yancy Gates.

Stephenson, who has not commented publicly since committing, is expected to leave New York for Cincinnati this week.

That's good news to hear, I am growing more confident by the day that we will see him in a Bearcat uniform this fall. If he does make his way to Cincy this week, will he play in the summer league or can he only play once the clearinghouse rules?

[Carin's Dad]

The clearinghouse will rubber stamp Lance (assuming his grades and ACT's are okay). As somebody once said: "There's nothing there there." His father is too smart to allow "the (next) Next LeBron" to be tainted by scandal. He knows that while the NBA money is fabulous, the big money is in commercial endorsements. If the Knicks or the (Brooklyn) Nets can get him he'll be a human gold mine. Trust me, he's clean.

[psax889906]

The clearinghouse will rubber stamp Lance (assuming his grades and ACT's are okay). As somebody once said: "There's nothing there there." His father is too smart to allow "the (next) Next LeBron" to be tainted by scandal. He knows that while the NBA money is fabulous, the big money is in commercial endorsements. If the Knicks or the (Brooklyn) Nets can get him he'll be a human gold mine. Trust me, he's clean.

So when then? lol

[dp3113]

The clearinghouse will rubber stamp Lance (assuming his grades and ACT's are okay). As somebody once said: "There's nothing there there." His father is too smart to allow "the (next) Next LeBron" to be tainted by scandal. He knows that while the NBA money is fabulous, the big money is in commercial endorsements. If the Knicks or the (Brooklyn) Nets can get him he'll be a human gold mine. Trust me, he's clean.

How can you possibly say with certainty he is clean?

[Carin's Dad]

How can you possibly say with certainty he is clean?If theone32 can say that he's coming to UC, I can certainly tell you he's clean. ;)

Everyone thinks that UC has reverted to the "dark ages" now that Nancy has left town. Don't believe it. Mick will still not knowingly take a chance on a player who is a risk to the program's integrity. Proof? Riek.

Trust me, Lance is clean and Mick knows it!

[Thegreatone]

Sold. I trust you.

[BearcatAlum1]

not sure if this has been posted already, but from zagsblog.com
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/07/11/stephenson-pleads-to-groping-charge/#more-19103

Yet several coaches who had recruited him told me this week at the Reebok All-American Camp that they were not concerned about the Website and that the family hadn’t broken any NCAA rules.

With the court case out of the way, Stephenson appears headed to join the Bearcats next fall, where he will join a talented team that includes point guard Deonta Vaughn and big man Yancy Gates.

Stephenson, who has not commented publicly since committing, is expected to leave New York for Cincinnati this week.

Sounds good. Excited to get him on campus and have the workouts begin.

I expect the NCAA to move slowly. I expect BR to be cleared, but it cannot come fast enough.......

[dp3113]

If theone32 can say that he's coming to UC, I can certainly tell you he's clean. ;)

Everyone thinks that UC has reverted to the "dark ages" now that Nancy has left town. Don't believe it. Mick will still not knowingly take a chance on a player who is a risk to the program's integrity. Proof? Riek.

Trust me, Lance is clean and Mick knows it!

Even if he gets cleared it doesn't mean he is clean.

[CincyBeerCo]

Even if he gets cleared it doesn't mean he is clean.

wtf?! If he's cleared let it rest...... :mad:

[Thegreatone]

i dont think we will get a definitive answer that yes he is cleared. No news is good news.

[BearcatAlum1]

Even if he gets cleared it doesn't mean he is clean.

And.............may I ask what this is supposed to mean?

If the NCAA says he didn't take any money or do anything wrong, and BornReady + his family deny any wrongdoing, then you are still going to assume he did something wrong?

C'mon man. You are a UC fan, right?

[dp3113]

And.............may I ask what this is supposed to mean?

If the NCAA says he didn't take any money or do anything wrong, and BornReady + his family deny any wrongdoing, then you are still going to assume he did something wrong?

C'mon man. You are a UC fan, right?

So since I say that Lance Stephenson might not be clean, I am not a UC fan. Really? I am just being realistic. We all hope to God he gets cleared, but just because he gets cleared, it doesn't mean he is clean. I am just saying, college basketball is the second most corrupt sport next to boxing, and just I don't think anyone here on this board, none of us who actually know Lance or his family, can sit here and say with certainty that he is clean. He has been THE prominent figure in his grade since he was a freshman and he has been in contact with a lot of people the past four years via AAU, Rucker Park etc. Look- I don't care if he is clean or not. I just want him cleared. My point was that no one can say with certainty that he is clean.

[Major ----de Coverley]

In theory no one can say with complete certainty that the pope is Catholic either. I think the presumption of innocence or goodness until otherwise disproved is always the key. DP113 has shown to be a true fan via his history of posts. One post does not undo a fan the same as the mere possibility of an infraction does not mean that one has occurred.

[BearcatAlum1]

^ You make a valid point and my "question" of whether or not DP was a fan was said with sarcasim.

Using DP's thinking, every college player is "dirty" or has the "potential" to be "dirty" despite being cleared of all wrongdoing.

Your comment regarding him still being dirty, despite the possibility he is cleared by all, seemed stupid.

Why would we (UC program/fans) continue to talk about an issue that the "investigators" cleared (assuming he is cleared)?

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

So since I say that Lance Stephenson might not be clean, I am not a UC fan. Really? I am just being realistic. We all hope to God he gets cleared, but just because he gets cleared, it doesn't mean he is clean. I am just saying, college basketball is the second most corrupt sport next to boxing, and just I don't think anyone here on this board, none of us who actually know Lance or his family, can sit here and say with certainty that he is clean. He has been THE prominent figure in his grade since he was a freshman and he has been in contact with a lot of people the past four years via AAU, Rucker Park etc. Look- I don't care if he is clean or not. I just want him cleared. My point was that no one can say with certainty that he is clean.

That same statement can be made about ALL recurits. Unless proven guilty, you just have to give the benefit of the doubt and not lose sleep over it.

[waterhead]

I have been wondering why there is even an NCAA investigation?

Do they pay special attention to all incoming freshmen?

Why would Lance's clearance take any longer than anyone else if he's clean?

Does the mere thought of a violation by any Tom **** or Harry have to go through investigation?

Are they guilty until proven innocent?

[psax889906]

I have been wondering why there is even an NCAA investigation?

Do they pay special attention to all incoming freshmen?

Why would Lance's clearance take any longer than anyone else if he's clean?

Does the mere thought of a violation by any Tom **** or Harry have to go through investigation?

Are they guilty until proven innocent?

Very few HS players apply for college eligibility having been the subject of an online reality television series and having been in the limelight for as long as Stephenson... it comes with the territory, no different than a celebrity...

[dp3113]

That same statement can be made about ALL recurits. Unless proven guilty, you just have to give the benefit of the doubt and not lose sleep over it.

I agree with you. I am not losing sleep over it, and the reasoning applies to Lance Stephenson, as well as any other recruit. My mere point was simply that none of us know or are around Lance Stephenson, and cannot matter of factly say he is clean, as the original poster did. That's it.

[waterhead]

Very few HS players apply for college eligibility having been the subject of an online reality television series and having been in the limelight for as long as Stephenson... it comes with the territory, no different than a celebrity...

That's what I was thinking. Guilty until proven innocent. But there has to be a specific reason for an investigation other than celebrity. Either that or it's unconstitutional.

[cincycats99]

I have heard Lance will be arriving on Campus tomorrow! Anybody else hear this?

[Carin's Dad]

I agree with you. I am not losing sleep over it, and the reasoning applies to Lance Stephenson, as well as any other recruit. My mere point was simply that none of us know or are around Lance Stephenson, and cannot matter of factly say he is clean, as the original poster did. That's it.Take it to the bank. He's clean. There is no NCAA "special" investigation. A totally normal clearinghouse procedure.

Also, don't expect a press release announcing that Lance has been "cleared." It (press release) won't happen.

[Cats for Life]

Lance and Parker should both be here by next week at the latest is what I am hearing. Parker this weekend and Lance by the end of the week.

[alf0x]

2 summer term starts thursday, so that is why they should be here.

[dp3113]

Take it to the bank. He's clean. There is no NCAA "special" investigation. A totally normal clearinghouse procedure.

Also, don't expect a press release announcing that Lance has been "cleared." It (press release) won't happen.

Again, you're saying he will be cleared. You don't know him, and have no idea if he is clean. But I am done arguing this, and will not mention it anymore.

[westsidecat]

Again, you're saying he will be cleared. You don't know him, and have no idea if he is clean. But I am done arguing this, and will not mention it anymore.

Yet, you claim if he does gets cleared, he's still not clean, whatever this means..

[ABearcatFan]

So since I say that Lance Stephenson might not be clean, I am not a UC fan. Really? I am just being realistic. We all hope to God he gets cleared, but just because he gets cleared, it doesn't mean he is clean. I am just saying, college basketball is the second most corrupt sport next to boxing, and just I don't think anyone here on this board, none of us who actually know Lance or his family, can sit here and say with certainty that he is clean. He has been THE prominent figure in his grade since he was a freshman and he has been in contact with a lot of people the past four years via AAU, Rucker Park etc. Look- I don't care if he is clean or not. I just want him cleared. My point was that no one can say with certainty that he is clean.

Ok. Makes sense. College basketball is corrupt. Lance is college basketball player. Lance is Corrupt. They are all corrupt dirty scumbags. I guess I just need to face it.

[ABearcatFan]

I agree with you. I am not losing sleep over it, and the reasoning applies to Lance Stephenson, as well as any other recruit. My mere point was simply that none of us know or are around Lance Stephenson, and cannot matter of factly say he is clean, as the original poster did. That's it.

Again, making more and more sense. We don't know that Lance is clean. Therefore, he must be dirty. It is becoming more clear to me now.

[dp3113]

Ok. Makes sense. College basketball is corrupt. Lance is college basketball player. Lance is Corrupt. They are all corrupt dirty scumbags. I guess I just need to face it.

you clearly have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in AAU basketball, especially when a kid at the age of 15 is proclaimed "the next lebron james" (which people later backed off on). you would not be arguing this if you knew what type of people come in contact with them, agents, runners, shoe companies, leaches, future endorsement middlemen, coaches, etc. i am just saying that the aau game is downright filthy, and unless you have head on experience in it, you really would not know what i am talking about. i am not accusing him of being dirty. i am just saying none of us know. that is it. none of us know. and it is stupid for a stranger to proclaim "he is clean". quit spinning my words.

[Carin's Dad]

you clearly have no idea what goes on behind the scenes in AAU basketball, especially when a kid at the age of 15 is proclaimed "the next lebron james" (which people later backed off on). you would not be arguing this if you knew what type of people come in contact with them, agents, runners, shoe companies, leaches, future endorsement middlemen, coaches, etc. i am just saying that the aau game is downright filthy, and unless you have head on experience in it, you really would not know what i am talking about. i am not accusing him of being dirty. i am just saying none of us know. that is it. none of us know. and it is stupid for a stranger to proclaim "he is clean". quit spinning my words.Disparage him all you want - Lance is clean!

Since you're so good at saying "none of us know," have you ever stopped to consider that "you don't know" who my sources are.

[dp3113]

Disparage him all you want - Lance is clean!

Since you're so good at saying "none of us know," have you ever stopped to consider that "you don't know" who my sources are.

that is irrelevant to my argument. my argument is based on the point of no one outside of Lance and his parents know if he is clean. your sources don't know. your sources only know if he will get cleared or not.

honestly, i don't care if he is clean or dirty. i just want him cleared and that is all that matters in college basketball.

[Carin's Dad]

i just want him cleared and that is all that matters in college basketball.Mayo was cleared, Rose was cleared. Being clean still matters.

[Lobot]

Ok. Makes sense. College basketball is corrupt. Lance is college basketball player. Lance is Corrupt. They are all corrupt dirty scumbags. I guess I just need to face it.

Your post reminds of Intro to Logic 101. The class where the final was open book and sharing of answers was permitted.

[xlax1306]

Your post reminds of Intro to Logic 101. The class where the final was open book and sharing of answers was permitted.

i took that class. Easiest class I've taken at UC. I missed three weeks of school with mono and came back to class the day of the mid-term not knowing it was mid-term day because i was feeling better. I failed the mid-term miserably and still got an A. I would recommend it to anyone that is a current student.

[catsfan32]

i took that class. Easiest class I've taken at UC. I missed three weeks of school with mono and came back to class the day of the mid-term not knowing it was mid-term day because i was feeling better. I failed the mid-term miserably and still got an A. I would recommend it to anyone that is a current student.

Wait, you failed the mid-term for logic 101?

[BearcatAlum1]

^ Very good catch.

Seems that Logic 101 would be very clear to anyone with logic.

Riddle me this Batman...........

[xlax1306]

It's not. It is pretty much learning a language using symbols to represent certain parts of the sentence. With a book, notes, and a little knowledge of the subject matter it is easy, but having missed three weeks of class i was without the notes and knowledge of the subject. The only reason he kept my midterm score after he found out i took it after missing all that time was because he assured me i would get an A and I did.

[BearcatAlum1]

^ I was joking.

I'm now exiting this thread.

Have fun ladies and gents, b/c BearcatAlum1 will not be here to decide the winner-winner-chicken dinner!