Schedule/Roaster Update?

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Does anyone know when the schedule will come out, and when the roster will be updated on UCBearcats.com with the new jersey numbers?

[Mick's Da Man]

I always enjoyed Kenny Rogers Roasters Restaurant. That is what you're referring to in the title, isn't it? ;)

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Yep - that place was solid - now when does the ROSTER come out? My predictions for jersey numbers:

Larry Davis #11
Alvin Mitchell #15
Darnell Wilks #23
Rashad Bishop #32
Kenny Belton #40
Anthony McClain #44

[red_n_black_attack]

Yep - that place was solid - now when does the ROSTER come out? My predictions for jersey numbers:

Larry Davis #11
Alvin Mitchell #15
Darnell Wilks #23
Rashad Bishop #32
Kenny Belton #40
Anthony McClain #44

Predict scores. Write down jersey numbers or buy one.

[UCBearcat4ever]

Does anyone know when the schedule will come out, and when the roster will be updated on UCBearcats.com with the new jersey numbers?

Josh K had in his blog that the schedule is expected to be released later this afternoon. As for the 07-08 Roster it's posted in the 2007-08 Prospectus/Quick Facts.

http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cinn/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2007-08-quick-facts.pdf
It is a PDF File

but heres the 07-08 Roster


1 Marvin Gentry
5 Deonta Vaughn
10 Marcus Sikes
11 Larry Davis
15 Darnell Wilks
20 Branden Miller
21 Mike Williams
22 Rashad Bishop
23 Alvin Mitchell
30 Anthony McClain
32 Kenny Belton
33 Jamuel Warren
34 Adam Hrycaniuk
45 John Williamson

[jplog]

Where's Mitchell?

[columbus_bearcat]

Mitchell's #23. Mike Williams is on there twice.

[UCBearcat4ever]

Fri.-Sun. Nov. 9-11, Peggy Cronin Classic
Bowling Green, Western Carolina, Belmont
Fri. Nov. 16, Coastal Carolina
Sat. Nov. 24, Fairfield
Mon. Nov. 26, South Carolina Upstate
Sat. Dec. 1, at UAB
Sat. Dec. 8, at Illinois State
Wed. Dec. 12, at Xavier (
Wed. Dec. 19, Memphis
Sun. Dec. 23, at NC State
Sat. Dec. 29, vs. Miami (OH) - U.S. Bank Arena
Tue. Jan. 1, at Louisville*
Sat. Jan. 5, at St. John’s *
Wed. Jan. 9 , SYRACUSE*
Sat. Jan. 12, VILLANOVA *
Tue. Jan. 15 at Notre Dame *
Sat. Jan. 19 PITTSBURGH *
Wed. Jan. 23 CONNECTICUT *
Sun. Jan. 27 at Seton Hall *
Wed. Jan. 30 at West Virginia *
Sat. Feb. 2 MARQUETTE *
Sat. Feb. 9 at Rutgers *
Wed. Feb. 13 ST. JOHN’S *
Wed. Feb. 20 USF *
Sat. Feb. 23 at Georgetown *
Wed. Feb. 27 at Pittsburgh *
Sun. March 2 PROVIDENCE *
Thu. March 6 DEPAUL *
Sat. March 8 at Connecticut *

* BIG EAST Conference Game.
Game times and dates are tentative and subject to change.

[jkwuc89]

Who the heck is South Carolina Upstate?!?!?!

[shaunsimpson]

Wow.

http://www.uscupstate.edu/athletics/men_basketball/mens_basketball.asp

[SLMadiCat]

Man is that a brutal schedule. Got to love the Big East. It sucks for a team's w-l record, but it sure is great for the fans!

[Inchickinkick]

17 wins NIT: maybe

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Who the heck is South Carolina Update?!?!?!

Should be Univ of South Car UPSTATE (not Update). Located in the northern part of the state.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

17 wins NIT: maybe

18 W regular season. 1 W in BEast tourney. 1 W in postseason. There's 20 W.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Man is that a brutal schedule. Got to love the Big East. It sucks for a team's w-l record, but it sure is great for the fans!

Missouri Valley (and OOC) schedules in 1950's and 1960's were tough but UC dominated.

Metro in 1970's and Great Midwest in 1990's were strong but UC was stronger.

[jkwuc89]

Is Peggy Coach Cronin's mother? And why are the opening games named after her?

[Bearcat Cafe]

That was Mick's mom. From what I heard, she passed away from breast cancer so this is a memorial to her and will be used to raise awareness.

[Bearcat Cafe]

1958,

:confused: Tell me you are not comparing the Great Midwest with the current Big East. No, seriously...

[SLMadiCat]

Missouri Valley (and OOC) schedules in 1950's and 1960's were tough but UC dominated.

Metro in 1970's and Great Midwest in 1990's were strong but UC was stronger.

Great, thanks for the insight. It's impossible to have any discussions without you coming on here and just posting meaningless things about the PAST.

And btw, the Miss. Valley and Great Midwest don't even compare to the Big East. No way, shape or form.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Great, thanks for the insight. It's impossible to have any discussions without you coming on here and just posting meaningless things about the PAST.

And btw, the Miss. Valley and Great Midwest don't even compare to the Big East. No way, shape or form.

MVC in the 1950's and 60's had powerhouse teams. Bradley, Wichita State, Drake all made FF. Louisville joined in the 60's.

GMC had powerful teams like Louisville, Memphis, and DePaul in 90's.

The BEast has more teams, not better teams.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

1958,

:confused: Tell me you are not comparing the Great Midwest with the current Big East. No, seriously...

The GMC had Louisville, Memphis, DePaul, and other powerful teams in the 90's. It was a very good conference.

[jkwuc89]

The Great Midwest Conference never had Louisville in it. Louisville stayed in the Metro. The GMC had Memphis, UC, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis and UAB. Dayton was added towards the end.

It was certainly decent but in no way was it as strong as the Big East.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

MVC in the 1950's and 60's had powerhouse teams. Bradley, Wichita State, Drake all made FF. Louisville joined in the 60's.

GMC had powerful teams like Louisville, Memphis, and DePaul in 90's.

The BEast has more teams, not better teams.

You have to excuse them....most of the posters in here are too young to remember, much less know, how strong the Missouri Valley was back in the
late 50's and 60's. Those were the days when you actually had to WIN your league to get into the NCAA. The Missouri Valley was probably the strongest conference in the county back then.

[Bearcat Cafe]

The GMC had Louisville, Memphis, DePaul, and other powerful teams in the 90's. It was a very good conference.

Keith beat me to it. More opinions based upon bad facts. Louisville was never a part of that conference.

The GMW was the early 90's version of the current A-10. Unless you are blinded by school spirit, no way can you put that conference in the same zip code as the BE while keeping a straight face.

More teams, not better teams??? Try the veal and tip the waitress...he'll be here all week. ;)

[BasketBySteveLogan]

December is a brutal month.. UAB isnt that good but we always struggle down there.. Illinois St will be geared up for us.. at Xavier will be next to impossible to win with the way they get lucky at home.. Memphis is STACKED.. at NC St is never easy (just ask UNC).. and Miami(OH) is way overdue against us... if we can go 3-3 in December I'd say that's a huge positive going into the New Year's Day battle in Pitinoville

[jon b]

The GMW was the early 90's version of the current A-10.

I apologize in advance because this is kind of mean, but this statement might be dumber than thinking the GMW of then equals the BE of today. At least it is not very different. On a scale of 1-10, if the A10 of now is a 1 and the BE of today is a ten, the GMW was a 7. DePaul and Memphis were at that time equal to any two teams of today's BE, UC was an up and comer with a strong history and made the FF in its first year, SLU and Marquette (and later Dayton) were all good additions with programs equal to or just a notch below where Xavier seems to be right now (and that is close to top 25 average - year in and out). I guess SLU was probably a notch below that, but they were good. It was a very good basketball conference. Not the BE, and certainly not the A10 either. Let's be real, the A10 is not that good. The GMW was. It was just very small!

As for the MVC of the 50's, all I know is what I have read but it sounds like the BE of today IS the MVC of that era. Often 2-3 teams in the top 10 of the country. That might be interesting to look at in more detail.

While UL was not a member of the GMW I thought they were part of the movement to form it, but backed out near the end when they could not get as much control as they wanted. The issue/problem related to this still seems to linger with many DePaul and Marquette fans.

[richard k.]

Dr. Jon - no need to apologize - what you say is basically true. While the GMW might not have been the equal of today's BEast, it certainly was a very strong conference. In addition, for what it's worth the MVC in the 50's and 60's was clearly one of the powerhouse basketball conferences in the country.

By the way, on a totally different topic, last night my wife and I were at the Pops, and one of the "3 Phantoms," who was from Cincinnati, gave credit to Dave Canary, as the person he first heard sing the song he was about to do. Since no one on the Forum remembered Joe Morrison, I was wondering if anyone recalled Canary, someone else who played football at UC when I was there, who was a tight end, graduating I think in 1959, but went in to acting, where he had a pretty good career.

[Bearcat Cafe]

DePaul from 91-95 was equal to any current BE team??? Sorry, Jon. Gotta take serious exception to that statement. You know better.

[SLMadiCat]

I apologize in advance because this is kind of mean, but this statement might be dumber than thinking the GMW of then equals the BE of today. At least it is not very different. On a scale of 1-10, if the A10 of now is a 1 and the BE of today is a ten, the GMW was a 7. DePaul and Memphis were at that time equal to any two teams of today's BE, UC was an up and comer with a strong history and made the FF in its first year, SLU and Marquette (and later Dayton) were all good additions with programs equal to or just a notch below where Xavier seems to be right now (and that is close to top 25 average - year in and out). I guess SLU was probably a notch below that, but they were good. It was a very good basketball conference. Not the BE, and certainly not the A10 either. Let's be real, the A10 is not that good. The GMW was. It was just very small!

As for the MVC of the 50's, all I know is what I have read but it sounds like the BE of today IS the MVC of that era. Often 2-3 teams in the top 10 of the country. That might be interesting to look at in more detail.

While UL was not a member of the GMW I thought they were part of the movement to form it, but backed out near the end when they could not get as much control as they wanted. The issue/problem related to this still seems to linger with many DePaul and Marquette fans.

I agree that the GMW was much better than the A-10, but I also think the currest BEast is a good amount greater than the GMW. Also, sure the MVC was good (very good) but, IMO, the BEast is at a higher level. I think the BEast is the one of the best, if not best, basketball conferances ever.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I agree that the GMW was much better than the A-10, but I also think the currest BEast is a good amount greater than the GMW. Also, sure the MVC was good (very good) but, IMO, the BEast is at a higher level. I think the BEast is the one of the best, if not best, basketball conferances ever.

MVC in the 50's and 60's was a powerhouse conference. UC tops. Bradley not far behind. Wichita next. Louisville joined in the 60's. Drake also good. St Louis U was a strong basketball program in those days.

[jon b]

DePaul from 91-95 was equal to any current BE team??? Sorry, Jon. Gotta take serious exception to that statement. You know better.

Fair enough.

I guess I am thinking more of the formation of the conference (where were the teams at then) versus how they did in a 4 year period. In 1991, DePaul was considered one of the top programs. We all know their well-documented decline during the upcoming 10 or so years, but when the GMW formed they were equal to any team.

Note my perspective is more based on that approach. It is difficult to single out a 4 year period and then try to make comparisons. For one you can take 4 year periods that work for whatever you want (proving their are lies, damn lies, and stats!).

With that said, I might have gone a bit to the embellishment side of the tracks, but I still think if I had to choose, the BE is EASILY closer to the GMW than A10 of today. For that I embellish not at all. :D But neither is actually there.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Dr. Jon - no need to apologize - what you say is basically true. While the GMW might not have been the equal of today's BEast, it certainly was a very strong conference. In addition, for what it's worth the MVC in the 50's and 60's was clearly one of the powerhouse basketball conferences in the country.

By the way, on a totally different topic, last night my wife and I were at the Pops, and one of the "3 Phantoms," who was from Cincinnati, gave credit to Dave Canary, as the person he first heard sing the song he was about to do. Since no one on the Forum remembered Joe Morrison, I was wondering if anyone recalled Canary, someone else who played football at UC when I was there, who was a tight end, graduating I think in 1959, but went in to acting, where he had a pretty good career.

David Canary went on to have a part in the Bonanza TV series.

[General Woundwort]

Fair enough.

I guess I am thinking more of the formation of the conference (where were the teams at then) versus how they did in a 4 year period. In 1991, DePaul was considered one of the top programs. We all know their well-documented decline during the upcoming 10 or so years, but when the GMW formed they were equal to any team.

Note my perspective is more based on that approach. It is difficult to single out a 4 year period and then try to make comparisons. For one you can take 4 year periods that work for whatever you want (proving their are lies, damn lies, and stats!).

With that said, I might have gone a bit to the embellishment side of the tracks, but I still think if I had to choose, the BE is EASILY closer to the GMW than A10 of today. For that I embellish not at all. :D But neither is actually there.

I would not characterize Depaul as "one of the top teams" circa 1990. Here is a brief rundown of the Joey Meyer era:

84-85: 19-10, L in NCAA 1st rd
85-86: 18-13, L in NCAA Sweet 16
86-87: 28-3, L in NCAA Sweet 16
87-88: 22-8, L in NCAA 2nd Rd
88-89: 21-12. L in NCAA 2nd Rd
89-90: 20-15, L in NIT 3rd Rd
90-91: 20-9, L in NCAA 1st rd

They averaged a 21-10 record against fairly soft competition, and generally exited in the opening weekend of the NCAA tournament (6-6). They were a solid team, but would hardly have been considered as good as anyone in the current Big East. If a team with a similar recent performance & talent level joined the Big East today, they would be a middle of the pack squad at best, probably in the lower half of the league.

In the first year of the GMW, they went 20-9 and fell in the first round of the NCAA, then began a rather nasty slide into oblivion.

Ray Meyer's teams in the late 70's-early 80's were a top team, but the shine from that era had definitely dulled by 1990.

At its formation, the GMW wasn't seen as being any stronger than the Metro was before it (although better than the limping Metro it left behind), and certainly far from the quality of the Big East, then or now. The BE was regarded as a much stronger league than the GMW at the time (and rightfully so), and if anything is even better now.

[JerseySean]

84-85: 19-10, L in NCAA 1st rd
85-86: 18-13, L in NCAA Sweet 16
86-87: 28-3, L in NCAA Sweet 16
87-88: 22-8, L in NCAA 2nd Rd
88-89: 21-12. L in NCAA 2nd Rd
89-90: 20-15, L in NIT 3rd Rd
90-91: 20-9, L in NCAA 1st rd



Hmmm... this tourney record looks eerily close to another school from the MWC and Big East. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. They were often accused of playing a somewhat "soft" schedule (compared to the Big East and ACC, especially). And they had an awful track record of losing early in the dance. What's the name of that school? It's right on the tip of my tongue...

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Hmmm... this tourney record looks eerily close to another school from the MWC and Big East. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. They were often accused of playing a somewhat "soft" schedule (compared to the Big East and ACC, especially). And they had an awful track record of losing early in the dance. What's the name of that school? It's right on the tip of my tongue...

How many of the BE teams lost in the first or second round last year? Does that mean they were marginal?

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Hmmm... this tourney record looks eerily close to another school from the MWC and Big East. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. They were often accused of playing a somewhat "soft" schedule (compared to the Big East and ACC, especially). And they had an awful track record of losing early in the dance. What's the name of that school? It's right on the tip of my tongue...

Last year.........
Team Round lost
Notre Dame.... 1st
Villanova 1st
Pitt 3rd
Marquette 1st
G'town won thru 3 rounds
Louisville 2nd

Tell me again how this is the best conference going??

[Mick's Da Man]

The Big East sucks. I'd rather be in the A-10.

(sarcasm)

[JerseySean]

How many of the BE teams lost in the first or second round last year? Does that mean they were marginal?

It does if they do it year in and year out... a la DePaul and... what's the name of that other school again?