Cashmere

[CincyBeerCo]

Great link in the recruiting section letting you vote on who you think is the quickest SR PG in the country. Only 3 choices, including Wright and Brandon Jennings....pretty impressive company. Thanks for the link Mike.

http://highschool.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=34

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Great link in the recruiting section letting you vote on who you think is the quickest SR PG in the country. Only 3 choices, including Wright and Brandon Jennings....pretty impressive company. Thanks for the link Mike.

http://highschool.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=34

It looks like our guy is running 2nd in the voting. I'm sure a lot of that is name recognition, though. How many of the voters do you think have even seen them play?

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Very few schools have two 2008 recruits as talented as Yancy Gates and Cashmere Wright. I think both will be Top 50 when the 2008 final lists are done.

The 2008 class shapes up as the Bearcats' best class in several years.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Very few schools have two 2008 recruits as talented as Yancy Gates and Cashmere Wright. I think both will be Top 50 when the 2008 final lists are done.

The 2008 class shapes up as the Bearcats' best class in several years.

I'm greedy. I want more. The only thing still missing is that one real impact stud. I know everyone wants those. We'll probably have to wait until UC returns to prominence again.

[MikeInClifton]

It looks like our guy is running 2nd in the voting. I'm sure a lot of that is name recognition, though. How many of the voters do you think have even seen them play?

I have not seen E Walker play, but have seen Cashmere and Jennings. Sorry to say it, but Jennings would get my vote for the fastest.

But, as stated, if you are in the top 3, thats not too shabby.

[SLMadiCat]

I'm greedy. I want more. The only thing still missing is that one real impact stud. I know everyone wants those. We'll probably have to wait until UC returns to prominence again.

I think Gates is that stud. He has dropped in rankings for various reasons but I think overall, he is one of the top 20 players in the country and definitely one of the best PF's in the country. He has the ability to dominate a game.

But, I'm with you on your first point. I'm also greedy and want more. Willie Warren, although unlikely, would be great. T Williams is an incredible athlete that in time could develop into an outstanding player. Another C would be nice as well.

[james jr]

I'm greedy. I want more. The only thing still missing is that one real impact stud. I know everyone wants those. We'll probably have to wait until UC returns to prominence again.

I feel that Yancy Gates is a potential Kenyon Martin type recruit. He may with coaching and dedication to the program become a "stud" and I also believe he is underated now by the ranking services because of perceived motivation problems. Playing at home and in one of the best conferences in the country will briing out the potential that made him a top 20 player coming into his junior year.

[Bearcat Cafe]

If you have seen him play in person, you'd agree that Gates is that guy. No high school big man we have signed in the last 15 years had his set of physical skills coming into college.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

If you have seen him play in person, you'd agree that Gates is that guy. No high school big man we have signed in the last 15 years had his set of physical skills coming into college.

Unless you count Dontonio Wingfield, or Danny Fortson as big men. Kenyon Martin had some pretty good physical skills too.

[CincyBeerCo]

Unless you count Dontonio Wingfield, or Danny Fortson as big men. Kenyon Martin had some pretty good physical skills too.

Yancy has much more physicall skill then Ken did coming in, and if he works anywhere near as smart/hard as Ken, he will be a 1st team all American before he leaves. Gates is also more physically gifted then Fortson could ever dream of being. This is not a knock on Fortson, but he relied on strength, size, great post moves, and the best hands I have ever seen on a big man. Gates could stand to take a lot from Fortson's game, but physical gifts are not some of them. As far a Wingfield...I stand by the fact that he is the most talented player to come to UC possibly since Oscar. Obviously he had many other shortcomings and personal/family issues, but as far as physical gifts and talent, he was 2nd to none. Gates IS that impact player, but again....bring on the greed.....more, more, more!

[Bearcat Cafe]

I am counting all of them. Great jumper and shot blocker after he sat out the first quarter, but Kenyon could barely chew gum and dribble his first year. While he was deadly from 5 feet after backing down guys, physically, Danny didn't come close to Gates. Dontonio may have, but after seeing both he and Gates play while they were in high school I think Gates' power game is much, much better at this point. Plus, he drifts into the mindset that he is a 2 guard a lot less than Dontonio did. ;)

[CincyBeerCo]

I am counting all of them. Great jumper and shot blocker after he sat out the first quarter, but Kenyon could barely chew gum and dribble his first year. While he was deadly from 5 feet after backing down guys, physically, Danny didn't come close to Gates. Dontonio may have, but after seeing both he and Gates play while they were in high school I think Gates' power game is much, much better at this point. Plus, he drifts into the mindset that he is a 2 guard a lot less than Dontonio did. ;)

I like the way you think

[UCEE73]

Plus, he drifts into the mindset that he is a 2 guard a lot less than Dontonio did. ;)

Any big guy who wanders out to shoot from long range at weird times in games is showing me a lack of mental toughness or an unwillingness to exert themselves.

I know, because that's exactly what I do when I want to rest on offense; slow down and shoot from 3.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Any big guy who wanders out to shoot from long range at weird times in games is showing me a lack of mental toughness or an unwillingness to exert themselves.

I know, because that's exactly what I do when I want to rest on offense; slow down and shoot from 3.

As I recall, Wingfield was pretty good from behind the arc. Does anyone know his career numbers?

[CincyBeerCo]

As I recall, Wingfield was pretty good from behind the arc. Does anyone know his career numbers?


Off the top of my head I think he averaged about 18 pts and 7 reb. and definitly was productive from behind the arc. He ventured out there because it was a strenth of his, not because he was lazy....Dontonio actually had a pretty active motor, always diving for balls etc. Its a shame that his personal situation forced him to go after the "NBA money" after only one year.

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Yancy Gates looks like he'll probably be a McDonald's All-American.. he's definitely gettin plenty of pub.. and I believe he has played on most of the elite national teams.. and that video of him.. I mean who knows who that was against.. but that was some dominant nasty stuff.. I think the Cats can make a run in the tourney his freshman year.. because Deonta will be a junior with a quick freshman in Cashmere backing him up.. with Al Mitchell and Larry Davis in the mix.. as we know, guardplay is the key to deep runs.. add in Mike Williams and Yancy... we in there

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Yancy Gates looks like he'll probably be a McDonald's All-American.. he's definitely gettin plenty of pub.. and I believe he has played on most of the elite national teams.. and that video of him.. I mean who knows who that was against.. but that was some dominant nasty stuff.. I think the Cats can make a run in the tourney his freshman year.. because Deonta will be a junior with a quick freshman in Cashmere backing him up.. with Al Mitchell and Larry Davis in the mix.. as we know, guardplay is the key to deep runs.. add in Mike Williams and Yancy... we in there

Don't forget about McClain, either.

[Bearcat Cafe]

As I recall, Wingfield was pretty good from behind the arc. Does anyone know his career numbers?

Averaged 9 rebounds and 16.0 points a game.

Attempted 109 3pt shots and hit 44 of them for a 40.4% clip. His FG percentage was 42% overall on the season.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Averaged 9 rebounds and 16.0 points a game.

Attempted 109 3pt shots and hit 44 of them for a 40.4% clip. His FG percentage was 42% overall on the season.

I also remember Huggins taking him out of a few games early for disciplinary stuff......so, his averages would have been even better than that, otherwise. If he had stayed, he probably would be #2 on their all time scoring list.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Averaged 9 rebounds and 16.0 points a game.

Attempted 109 3pt shots and hit 44 of them for a 40.4% clip. His FG percentage was 42% overall on the season.

I'd say Gates (talented as he may be) has a ways to go if he's going to match those numbers for a freshman.

[Bearcat Cafe]

I also remember Huggins taking him out of a few games early for disciplinary stuff......so, his averages would have been even better than that, otherwise. If he had stayed, he probably would be #2 on their all time scoring list.

FWIW, he played almost 29 minutes a game.

[Inchickinkick]

Yancy Gates looks like he'll probably be a McDonald's All-American.. he's definitely gettin plenty of pub.. and I believe he has played on most of the elite national teams.. and that video of him.. I mean who knows who that was against.. but that was some dominant nasty stuff.. I think the Cats can make a run in the tourney his freshman year.. because Deonta will be a junior with a quick freshman in Cashmere backing him up.. with Al Mitchell and Larry Davis in the mix.. as we know, guardplay is the key to deep runs.. add in Mike Williams and Yancy... we in there

Yancy Gates> 10 points and 6 rebounds a game, As a freshman backing up Mike Williams.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Yancy Gates> 10 points and 6 rebounds a game, As a freshman backing up Mike Williams.


And, you're basing that on what? I hope you're right, but, I also can guarantee you that Wingfield would be starting.....probably even the first player on the floor.

[JerseySean]

Yancy Gates> 10 points and 6 rebounds a game, As a freshman backing up Mike Williams.

Wow... I'm more impressed that you say he'll have those numbers as a back-up, let alone as a Freshman backup. From your lips to God's ears!

[Inchickinkick]

And, you're basing that on what? I hope you're right, but, I also can guarantee you that Wingfield would be starting.....probably even the first player on the floor.

oldtimer:
I agree
Dontonia Wingfield wood be our SF with Hrycaniuk and Williams plus he wood back them up, Winfield could start over every forward-center on this years team. greatbearcatplayer

[Inchickinkick]

There hasnt been a player like Wingfield, too come too UC sense>

[Inchickinkick]

Wow... I'm more impressed that you say he'll have those numbers as a back-up, let alone as a Freshman backup. From your lips to God's ears!

Lets just say that Yancy Gates does avg. 10ppg 6rpg 20mpg, as a freshman backing up Mike Williams, One 2007 question would be.
Are Marcus Sikes or John Williamson 10ppg - 6rpg - 20mpg backups too Mike Williams?

[Bearcat_DF]

Lets just say that Yancy Gates does avg. 10ppg 6rpg 20mpg, as a freshman backing up Mike Williams, One 2007 question would be.
Are Marcus Sikes or John Williamson 10ppg - 6rpg - 20mpg backups too Mike Williams?

That would be quite a feat since they will both exhaust their eligibility this year and won't be around in 2008 when Yancy arrives.

Go Cats!
DF

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Lets just say that Yancy Gates does avg. 10ppg 6rpg 20mpg, as a freshman backing up Mike Williams, One 2007 question would be.
Are Marcus Sikes or John Williamson 10ppg - 6rpg - 20mpg backups too Mike Williams?

This year, Williamson and Sikes may share 40 minutes opposite Williams in the lineup.

[Inchickinkick]

Somebody is gonna hafe too backup Williams

[swilsonsp4]

There hasnt been a player like Wingfield, too come too UC sense>

And, I hope there isn't one in the future. Dontonio Wingfield was a physically talented, but lazy, nincompoop, who had a penchant for roughing up his own mother. Huggins got the message during Wingfield's freshman season and sent him packing.

Good riddance.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Somebody is gonna hafe too backup Williams

Adam H (when McClain subs in at C) or Belton. 2 possibilities right there.

[jplog]

There hasnt been a player like Wingfield, too come too UC sense>

What? Dude, you should consider a lawsuit against your school system.

[Inchickinkick]

What? Dude, you should consider a lawsuit against your school system.

what ar you typing about willis?

[SLMadiCat]

what ar you typing about willis?

Ha. Now that was funny!

[Inchickinkick]

What? Dude, you should consider a lawsuit against your school system.

Dude... when i was tying about Wingfield is the truth, He could play the 3-4-5
great player, What i didnt want too mention was Wingfield shoving his mother>

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Does anyone know who the "friend" is that Cashmere Wright is supposed to be bringing with him when he visits?

[shaunsimpson]

Teondre Williams. I guess Clemson took a SG or SF that made Cincinnati more attractive. Had Cincinnati and Clemson high on his list, but Clemson doesn't seem to be an option. Remember that Wright was a Clemson commit earlier. Like Cashmere Rivals is very high on him (4 star) opposed to scout who has him as a 3 star. ESPN has Cashmere as the 73rd best player and Williams as 82. I would look at it as three top 100 players if Williams becomes a Bearcat.

Scout profile of Williams (http://cincinnati.scout.com/a.z?s=341&p=8&c=1&nid=2423958)
Rivals profile of Williams (http://cincinnati.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=44644)
ESPN top 150 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/espn150)

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Teondre Williams. I guess Clemson took a SG or SF that made Cincinnati more attractive. Had Cincinnati and Clemson high on his list, but Clemson doesn't seem to be an option. Remember that Wright was a Clemson commit earlier. Like Cashmere Rivals is very high on him (4 star) opposed to scout who has him as a 3 star. ESPN has Cashmere as the 73rd best player and Williams as 82. I would look at it as three top 100 players if Williams becomes a Bearcat.

Scout profile of Williams (http://cincinnati.scout.com/a.z?s=341&p=8&c=1&nid=2423958)
Rivals profile of Williams (http://cincinnati.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=44644)
ESPN top 150 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/espn150)

That sounds like it would be a good thing. Maybe they have more friends.

[shaunsimpson]

It is good depending on what you want with Willie Warren. Warren would be one of the best recruits to ever come to UC regardles of what year (top 25 in about every list you can see and top 10 in some).

Waiting for Warren could hurt UC with Williams, but taking Williams could hurt UC with Warren. What to do....discuss among yourselves.

OK...this has gotten a little off the Cashmere topic. Should probably have started another topic.

[Kindog202]

I think it comes down to if Mick feels like Warren has legitimate interest in UC. I don't have any specific insight as I don't subscribe to any of the pay sites and don't have any consistent strong connections on recruiting either locally or nationally. On this board, there appears to be a differing opinion on what Warren's interest in UC truly is. Some say there is a very slim chance he comes here, others are a little more optimistic and Mike still has him listed as a "4" interest level. Shaun, you usually seem to know some things before they happen, so I will ask you what your opinion is on Warren's interest.

Breaking it down, I think there will be room for both. Looking at next year's team, you have Vaughn and Wright as PG's, Mitchell and Davis as SG. Mitchell can slide to SF as well and if both were to come, it would be very easy to run a four guard offense w/Williams, McClain or Gates as the big.

If Mick is going to use all 3 remaining scholly's this year, with what is left in '08, I'd love to see them go to Williams, Warren and Morgan. I think Mick can offer immediate playing time to both Warren and Morgan, even with the other talent already in place around them.

I think if Williams is good enough to play in the Big East and is ready to commit this weekend, Mick should and will accept his commitment and then hope for the best with Warren. If he holds off on Williams, he may lose out on both.

[waterhead]

Waiting for Warren could hurt UC with Williams, but taking Williams could hurt UC with Warren. What to do....discuss among yourselves.
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I understand the first point but not sure why that would be the case in the second part. Warren would be considered better than any recruit we have at that position or any position for that matter. Warren wouldn't/shouldn't be worried about playing time even if we commit to Williams and Williams commits to us...right? I may be missing your point though.

I think the same goes for Morgan. I think his body type seems more ready to play Beast bball than Biggie's. Although Biggie will be ready to block shots down low which is something Bearcat fans (including myself) have become fond of. The human eraser! If Biggie can put on a few pounds/muscle and improve offensively I don't think we need Morgan but it might be a couple years for Biggie to round into that type of player. I think Morgan has less to worry about at UC than at some of the schools he is considering as far as playing time.

I know it's a pipe dream but bring on Williams, Warren and Morgan! If that should happen Big East beware. (Disclaimer...I put the odds on this happening at less than 10%)

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I know most of you are too young to remember Robert Miller, who played C during the Catlett days, but, he didn't have a terrific body either. He was a lean, 6'11" center, who blocked a lot of shots. If Biggie can approximate him, I'd settle for that in a heartbeat. Ralph Sampson was pretty lean, wasn't he? Manute Bol?

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I understand the first point but not sure why that would be the case in the second part. Warren would be considered better than any recruit we have at that position or any position for that matter. Warren wouldn't/shouldn't be worried about playing time even if we commit to Williams and Williams commits to us...right? I may be missing your point though.

I think the same goes for Morgan. I think his body type seems more ready to play Beast bball than Biggie's. Although Biggie will be ready to block shots down low which is something Bearcat fans (including myself) have become fond of. The human eraser! If Biggie can put on a few pounds/muscle and improve offensively I don't think we need Morgan but it might be a couple years for Biggie to round into that type of player. I think Morgan has less to worry about at UC than at some of the schools he is considering as far as playing time.


I know it's a pipe dream but bring on Williams, Warren and Morgan! If that should happen Big East beware. (Disclaimer...I put the odds on this happening at less than 10%)


The old saying is...."a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". By a lot of accounts, Williams is a 4 star recruit, or, at least a high 3 star. I don't think you turn that down if he's ready to commit, especially, since Warren doesn't currently list us as his favorite.....I keep hearing Oklahoma and Lousiville.

[jplog]

It is good depending on what you want with Willie Warren. Warren would be one of the best recruits to ever come to UC regardles of what year (top 25 in about every list you can see and top 10 in some).

Waiting for Warren could hurt UC with Williams, but taking Williams could hurt UC with Warren. What to do....discuss among yourselves.

OK...this has gotten a little off the Cashmere topic. Should probably have started another topic.

I'm a firm believer in the "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" philosophy. If they can get Williams now then they should.

[Bearcat_DF]

I know most of you are too young to remember Robert Miller, who played C during the Catlett days, but, he didn't have a terrific body either. He was a lean, 6'11" center, who blocked a lot of shots. If Biggie can approximate him, I'd settle for that in a heartbeat. Ralph Sampson was pretty lean, wasn't he? Manute Bol?


Oldtimer,

You may not have noticed, but the game's changed a little bit since then. There was a coach that included strength training with his team and now most, if not all teams, include strength training. A slender center will have a very difficult time establishing position in the post on both ends of the court.

Given me Danny Fortson against a slender center any day of the week. Or a Maxiell or Hicks for that matter . . .

Go Cats!
DF

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Oldtimer,

You may not have noticed, but the game's changed a little bit since then. There was a coach that included strength training with his team and now most, if not all teams, include strength training. A slender center will have a very difficult time establishing position in the post on both ends of the court.

Given me Danny Fortson against a slender center any day of the week. Or a Maxiell or Hicks for that matter . . .

Go Cats!
DF

Someone forget to tell Joakim Noah - his skinny frame brought NCAA titles to Florida in 2006 and 2007.

[shaunsimpson]

I don't know anything other than what I read and what others say, but the fact that Scout doesn't list UC and he does list 2/3 of all colleges makes me a little scared about Warren. I believe he has committed to two schools already and then backed off them. This worries me greatly. I think it comes down to if Mick thinks that Williams will play well in the system (something I understand very little).

[Bearcat_DF]

I guess it depends on your definition of slender:

Manute Bol - 7'6" 200 lbs

Joakim Noah - 6'11" 232 lbs
Kenyon Martin - 6'9" 240 lbs
Anthony McClain - 6'11" 245 lbs

I don't think any of these players are slender like Manute Bol, I don't know about Robert Miller.

I do know that McClain will have to match up against
Roy Hibbert - 7'2" 278
Cassin Diggs - 6"10 270
Hasheem Talbeet - 7'3" 263

I wonder if Robert Miller faced that type of player?

Go Cats!
DF

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Oldtimer,

You may not have noticed, but the game's changed a little bit since then. There was a coach that included strength training with his team and now most, if not all teams, include strength training. A slender center will have a very difficult time establishing position in the post on both ends of the court.

Given me Danny Fortson against a slender center any day of the week. Or a Maxiell or Hicks for that matter . . .

Go Cats!
DF

Did I say somewhere that it wouldn't be preferable to have a sculpted body? My only point is, it isn't necessary. There are plenty of slim guys who do just fine....and as it was mentioned, Noah did just fine at Florida. Just because I'm older doesn't mean I haven't kept up with the changes in the game.

[NorrisHopper30]

I haven't been keeping up the past few months. So what is the deal with Williams? If we get him does someone else want to come here?

I hope we can get Willie Warren, he looks great..

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I guess it depends on your definition of slender:

Manute Bol - 7'6" 200 lbs

Joakim Noah - 6'11" 232 lbs
Kenyon Martin - 6'9" 240 lbs
Anthony McClain - 6'11" 245 lbs

I don't think any of these players are slender like Manute Bol, I don't know about Robert Miller.

I do know that McClain will have to match up against
Roy Hibbert - 7'2" 278
Cassin Diggs - 6"10 270
Hasheem Talbeet - 7'3" 263

I wonder if Robert Miller faced that type of player?

Go Cats!
DF

Miller played in 1975-76-77-78 then (briefly) in the NBA. He was 6-10 and 205 when he signed with UC in May 1974 and 6-11 and 220 when he left UC. Hardly like Manute Bol.

He played against very strong competition in the early days of the Metro, including 7-footers.

His NBA bio:

Bob Miller
Robert E. Miller (Bob)

Position: F
Height: 6'10" Weight: 230 lbs.
Born: July 9, 1956 in Louisville, KY
High School: Central in Louisville, KY
College: University of Cincinnati

Drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 4th round (19th pick) of the 1978 NBA draft.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I haven't been keeping up the past few months. So what is the deal with Williams? If we get him does someone else want to come here?

I hope we can get Willie Warren, he looks great..

Highly unlikely on Warren to UC. Very good possibility on Teondre Williams to UC.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I guess it depends on your definition of slender:

Manute Bol - 7'6" 200 lbs

Joakim Noah - 6'11" 232 lbs
Kenyon Martin - 6'9" 240 lbs
Anthony McClain - 6'11" 245 lbs

I don't think any of these players are slender like Manute Bol, I don't know about Robert Miller.

I do know that McClain will have to match up against
Roy Hibbert - 7'2" 278
Cassin Diggs - 6"10 270
Hasheem Talbeet - 7'3" 263

I wonder if Robert Miller faced that type of player?

Go Cats!
DF

It's hard to remember exactly who he faced, but, he could hold his own. You have McClain listed at 245 lbs., but, the stuff on the Forum has him at 220.
Is it really fair to compare McClain's weight against guys 7'2" and 7'3"?

[Bearcat_DF]

It's hard to remember exactly who he faced, but, he could hold his own. You have McClain listed at 245 lbs., but, the stuff on the Forum has him at 220.
Is it really fair to compare McClain's weight against guys 7'2" and 7'3"?

UC's roster lists him at 245. They wouldn't pad his weight would they?

He has to play against 7'2 and 7'3" guys doesn't he?

Go Cats!
DF

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

UC's roster lists him at 245. They wouldn't pad his weight would they?

He has to play against 7'2 and 7'3" guys doesn't he?

Go Cats!
DF

Yes, he does. And, Bill Russell, at 6'9", had to play against Wilt Chamberlain. But, he sure didn't weigh anywhere close to Wilt. Oh, and, Russell held his own quite well.

[Bearcat_DF]

Yes, he does. And, Bill Russell, at 6'9", had to play against Wilt Chamberlain. But, he sure didn't weigh anywhere close to Wilt. Oh, and, Russell held his own quite well.

I know you aren't implying that Russell was a slender player like Robert Miller?

Did Miller hold his own against Chamberlain?

Go Cats!
DF

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I know you aren't implying that Russell was a slender player like Robert Miller?

Did Miller hold his own against Chamberlain?

Go Cats!
DF

I'm not comparing Russell and Miller at all. But, Russell was slender, yes.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

I know you aren't implying that Russell was a slender player like Robert Miller?

Did Miller hold his own against Chamberlain?

Go Cats!
DF

Full Name: William Felton Russell
Born: 2/12/34 in Monroe, La.
High School: McClymonds (Oakland)
College: San Francisco
Drafted: St. Louis Hawks, 1956
Transactions: Draft rights traded to Boston Celtics, 4/29/56
Height: 6-10; Weight: 220 lbs

Actually, Russell is a pretty good comparison with McClain...at least as far as size.

[james jr]

Full Name: William Felton Russell
Born: 2/12/34 in Monroe, La.
High School: McClymonds (Oakland)
College: San Francisco
Drafted: St. Louis Hawks, 1956
Transactions: Draft rights traded to Boston Celtics, 4/29/56
Height: 6-10; Weight: 220 lbs

Actually, Russell is a pretty good comparison with McClain...at least as far as size.

Good job Old Timer! Historically most of the great defensive centers have been on the sleek side: Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Kareem Jabbar, David Robinson, Greg Oden! I believe that Biggie may need a little more weight and some weight training but he will be effective because of timing and athleticism like most dominant intimidators!

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Good job Old Timer! Historically most of the great defensive centers have been on the sleek side: Bill Russell, Nate Thurmond, Kareem Jabbar, David Robinson, Greg Oden! I believe that Biggie may need a little more weight and some weight training but he will be effective because of timing and athleticism like most dominant intimidators!

Thank you....and, I totally agree.

[columbus_bearcat]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember an interview with Mick on Lance's show I heard right after announcing UC received the LOI from McClain. He said that McClain was measured at a shade under 7'0" and about 242-243 lbs. (not sure if that is with or without shoes).

[Bearcat_DF]

According to you all, it sounds like we better slim biggie down to get him ready for the BEast.

Go Cats!

DF

[waterhead]

It doesn't really matter if Biggie is slender or not if he can do the job. Obviously a tall slender guy can usually get off the ground faster and higher than a plodding oaf. The plodding oaf may be able to keep guys out of the lane. Which is better? The ability to block shots of the opposing centers while they are in the lane or the ability to keep them out of the lane even though they may be able to turn and shoot over you?

The answer is both. I hope Biggie can do both. With a little added weight and muscle he could be just what the doctor ordered. You can't teach a guy to jump high or give them extra reach but you can put on weight/muscle and teach them to keep guys out of the lane. You can also coach offensive skills. A 240lb muscular McClain would be enough to go mano y mano with any center in the country. Insert any 6"10-7'2", 225-250lb, dominating, athletic center here___________ if you need further proof.

My personal opinion is that we will not get Warren or Morgan so I hope Biggie is the right guy and I think he is! If we get either of the other two guys it will be an unexpected surprise bonus in my mind.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to remember an interview with Mick on Lance's show I heard right after announcing UC received the LOI from McClain. He said that McClain was measured at a shade under 7'0" and about 242-243 lbs. (not sure if that is with or without shoes).

UC lists McClain at 6-11 and 245 on its roster.

[waterhead]

I found this on the Big East Boards. It may have been posted here before but I thought it was an interesting note about Cash. If you don't want to read it he was ranked one of the 3 quickest players/guards in the 08' class. Nice to know!

http://highschool.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=34

Actually he has the highest % of votes right now for the fastest in the country!

[shaunsimpson]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but Cashmere has signed his LOI and faxed it in.

http://cincinnati.rivals.com/

[MikeInClifton]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but Cashmere has signed his LOI and faxed it in.

http://cincinnati.rivals.com/

Yep, I posted the other ($) article to his recruiting page (http://www.bearcatnews.com/recruiting/bio/378/) a couple hours ago.

(Thanks for not starting a new thread)

[Kindog202]

Yancey has not yet signed and faxed his LOI in I assume?

[Bp4thebest]

Great link in the recruiting section letting you vote on who you think is the quickest SR PG in the country. Only 3 choices, including Wright and Brandon Jennings....pretty impressive company. Thanks for the link Mike.

http://highschool.rivals.com/copoll.asp?poll=34

i hear wright has been rated before as the fastest player in his class.. u know if that is true? i think he will have flashes of devan downey if he can slash with the ball as well as i think he will

[MikeInClifton]

Yancey has not yet signed and faxed his LOI in I assume?

If he hasnt, I dont think the coaching staff is worried about Gates. He has been a firm Cin commit for a while.

[MikeInClifton]

i hear wright has been rated before as the fastest player in his class.. u know if that is true?

I've seen Cash play. Superfast. Downey is a good comparison, speed-wise.

[Kindog202]

If he hasnt, I dont think the coaching staff is worried about Gates. He has been a firm Cin commit for a while.

Thanks Mike, I'm not really too concerned but you never know until its official. Good to see Cash is on the ball and got his in.

[shaunsimpson]

Gates is in.

[Kindog202]

Gates is in.

I just saw that too, thanks. I read the press release from the athletic department, Cash has scored 43 and 35 in his first 2 games and with the speed they talk about him having, it sounds like we have another Downey with a better shot. Welcome to both Cash and Yancy.

[jeffto]

Cashmere had 30 pts against Oak Hill last Friday night. His team lost, but he's getting exposed to some top level talent. I just hope he wasn't guarding Brandon Jennings, who had 40.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I've seen Cash play. Superfast. Downey is a good comparison, speed-wise.

Among 2 or 3 quickest guards in 2008 class.