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qsilvr2531
10-22-2009, 08:26 AM
Kind of an interesting article.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...yhoo&type=lgns

From the article:

"The Longhorns’ non-conference schedule features UL-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP and Central Florida. It’s an embarrassing slate for a team of its stature, but it’s also one reason UT walked into the Oklahoma game Saturday in excellent health, high confidence and with backups having gained valuable experience."

The same was true last year and it was also a major reason Texas played Ohio State in the Fiesta bowl rather than Florida in the title game. Texas played a similar terrible OOC schedule while Oklahoma had wins over UC and TCU, and finished higher in the polls (computer especially) because of it.

Playing an easy OOC schedule only works if you plan on going undefeated, otherwise you leave yourself wide open to being bumped by the teams that play real OOC schedules. Oklahoma can lose to Texas and still make the title game, but if Texas loses to Oklahoma they are effectively eliminated.

Deaf_Bearcat
10-22-2009, 09:00 AM
Indeed, this is an interesting article. I noticed that Florida has its weak OOC as well. That is how they stayed #1 through half of this season. I see Alabama has its better OOC schedule than Florida. I see other teams like USC, Ohio State, UC, OU etc. have quality OOC teams to play against resulting in some quality losses. I can say "playoff".

red_n_black_attack
10-22-2009, 10:02 AM
I can say the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing! That type of scheduling would hurt any NCAA basketball program, because the seedings are done by a committee. I do not see football moving to a playoff system because it would interfere with finals, shift regular season and cause many teams to be in lesser pay-out match-ups. I can see one of two things happening:

1. The bowl tie-ins are eliminated and a seeding committee used to select best match-ups for the bowls (1 v 2, 3 v 4, etc...). This doesn't solve problem when there are more than one undefeated team. It does keep all money in the hands of those operating the bowls and little if any money it the grubby hands of the NCAA.

2. NCAA starts a separate play-off system to establish the NCAA Champ. There is history to going completely separate - see NIT. If you would like to be AP or BCS champ, fine go play your little reaindeer games, but the NCAA champ will be determined by the NCAA playoffs! The money still goes to member and participating schools, though more goes to the NCAA and none to the Bowls (although hosting fees would be a similar set-up to the NCAA Tourney).

I just wish that the Bowl Series would realize that a play-off would let the champ be determined on the field. There are significant money increases to be had by a play-off and most importantly, the NCAA is the sanctioning body that allows schools to play in a post season they do not control (at some point the NCAA will decide to step in and take over to "save the game" thought we all know it is a money grab).

With all of this, I am rooting for a Bearcat Boise St national championship game, and I will root for Boise v TCU if UC should slip up.

qsilvr2531
10-22-2009, 02:31 PM
If the NCAA wanted a playoff we'd have one already. I don't think the financials of D1 football would really allow it though. If all the money is shared across conferences then the big conferences lose out and won't be interested, and if the money isn't shared then the small conferences gain nothing.

Teams don't schedule weak OOC opponents to improve their BCS chances (because it doesn't really improve their chances), they schedule them because they make alot more money playing those teams at home every year than they would playing a good team at home every other year. The BCS isn't what is pushing teams to play more 1AA teams, it's the financial reality of college football.

capcbk
10-22-2009, 03:34 PM
The reality is that all programs are not created equal.

Programs such as Florida and Texas do not get penalized by voters because of their cupcake schedules...UC and others that want to be part of the "Elite" programs do!

That is what consistency and tradition of program over many years brings to the table.

bearcatbbllfn
10-24-2009, 10:57 AM
I can say the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing! That type of scheduling would hurt any NCAA basketball program, because the seedings are done by a committee. I do not see football moving to a playoff system because it would interfere with finals, shift regular season and cause many teams to be in lesser pay-out match-ups. I can see one of two things happening:

1. The bowl tie-ins are eliminated and a seeding committee used to select best match-ups for the bowls (1 v 2, 3 v 4, etc...). This doesn't solve problem when there are more than one undefeated team. It does keep all money in the hands of those operating the bowls and little if any money it the grubby hands of the NCAA.

2. NCAA starts a separate play-off system to establish the NCAA Champ. There is history to going completely separate - see NIT. If you would like to be AP or BCS champ, fine go play your little reaindeer games, but the NCAA champ will be determined by the NCAA playoffs! The money still goes to member and participating schools, though more goes to the NCAA and none to the Bowls (although hosting fees would be a similar set-up to the NCAA Tourney).

I just wish that the Bowl Series would realize that a play-off would let the champ be determined on the field. There are significant money increases to be had by a play-off and most importantly, the NCAA is the sanctioning body that allows schools to play in a post season they do not control (at some point the NCAA will decide to step in and take over to "save the game" thought we all know it is a money grab).

With all of this, I am rooting for a Bearcat Boise St national championship game, and I will root for Boise v TCU if UC should slip up.



The more I think I about this, the more it seems lke a big ole scam. The BCS selection criteria is using tradition as an escape goat for controlling the outcome. If we go undefeated and get passed over (which seems very likely), then they can use the same excuses next year. UC will still not have a history in playing in the NC game because they kept us out of it. This would be our 3rd 10+ win season. What is enough? 5 or 6 straight 10+ winning seasons? Even 10 single season wins all against ranked opponets is irrevelant in this selecton process if your not from thier preferred group of teams. Name trumps play in this process. How freakin messed up is that?

The only hope is for NCAA intervention. Schools are at the mercy of the conference affiliations. If the NCAA started a playoff, the mid and lower teir teams would pressure thier conference to participate. The NCAA could even go as far as to make the conference participate all thier sports in the playoff systems or go start a mens basketball bowl series to play in. This would force thier hand on it. If not, it would not take long before tv ratings and respect from the playoff trump the bowl series anyway. Once tv redirects thier attention and funds, the opposition will come over too.

I plan on watching only 1 bowl game. The one we play in. I would watch as many playoff games as possible. Much more entertaining when you have underdog drama and they are playing to advance. This versus two selected teams playing one game. Not entertaining unless it is your team in it. This obvisiously all about controlling the money.

CatsClaw
10-24-2009, 01:01 PM
The reality is that all programs are not created equal.

Programs such as Florida and Texas do not get penalized by voters because of their cupcake schedules...UC and others that want to be part of the "Elite" programs do!

That is what consistency and tradition of program over many years brings to the table.

That is weak. Consistency and tradition? If that were the case then TCU and Utah should ranked higher, in TCU and BYU's case, they have won national titles, and have been consistently good over the years. The bottomline is that a team should be judged on a SEASON not tradition. That's the problem with the BCS title game.