Reason 1038 I hate OSU [Archive]

Jmac84

12-03-2009, 12:49 AM

Do yourself a favor and don't watch OSU basketball. It's bad for the soul.

Overall I agree and Thad Matta is one of my least favorite college coaches. Shortly after he got the job at Xavier, my family and I sat right next to him and his coaches at Bucca Di Beppo's in Rookwood. I didn't catch most of the conversation but I did hear him tell his assistants that no one tells recruits the truth, so why should they. Terrible. Anyway, my point is, regardless of whether or not you like Ohio State basketball, you should watch a game to see Evan Turner play. That guy has got to be one of the best players in college basketball this year.

dp3113

12-03-2009, 02:41 AM

The guy doing the OSU FSU hoops game (fran) just said that OSU will be the best team in the Big 10 because "they have Ohio all to themselves"

they have put a pretty strong lock on the majority of highly ranked ohio recruits (gates is an obvious exception).

adrock

12-03-2009, 07:54 AM

Frankly, I don't understand the importance of having Ohio all to themselves. Maybe it's only my perception, but Ohio is not a basketball recruiting hotbed...he's thinking of football.

MicksTheGuy

12-03-2009, 08:12 AM

It is not as hot as some but when you have guys like Lebron coming out of Ohio and a player like Steve Logan gets over looked here I would say you have some talent in the state. It is amazing that we are not bigger in basketball like we are in some sports. The football and wrestling I know for a fact are very big. I think soccer is too along with swimming.

subflea

12-03-2009, 08:47 AM

Ohio has strong years here and there. The best athletes in most of the state concentrate on football though. It is the rare exception that a kid the size of Gates or Behanan concentrates on hoops.

CincyEngGrad02

12-03-2009, 10:48 AM

They didn't get Mel Levitt, Steve Logan, Damon Flint (almost did), Bobby Brannen, Ryan Fletcher, Keith Gregor, or Yancy Gates.

UcatsRick

12-03-2009, 10:54 AM

Carthage World

12-03-2009, 10:56 AM

OSU underachieves every year! What kind of team with that many 4/5 star recruits loses to Siena in the first round?

shaunsimpson

12-03-2009, 11:11 AM

In the last 20 years both Cincinnati and Eggzavier have had better basketball programs than Ohio St. Both have recruited good players from Ohio and beyond. If they're not actually calling the action in the game, don't listen to them.

UC and X have been more consistent, but some would argue that:

OSU:
Sweet 16
Elite 8
Final four
National championship game

Cincinnati:
Sweet 16
Elite 8 (2)
Final Four

is more successful despite the lack of consistency. 14 tournament appearances (UC) opposed to 10 (OSU)

(all of this is if you don't throw away the wins for the NCAA violations)

mikep

12-03-2009, 11:31 AM

UC and X have been more consistent, but some would argue that:

OSU:
Sweet 16
Elite 8
Final four
National championship game

Cincinnati:
Sweet 16
Elite 8 (2)
Final Four

is more successful despite the lack of consistency. 14 tournament appearances (UC) opposed to 10 (OSU)

(all of this is if you don't throw away the wins for the NCAA violations)

You are not counting the Final 4 that was taken away for cheating are you?

Not Guilty

12-03-2009, 11:34 AM

You are not counting the Final 4 that was taken away for cheating are you?

Yes he is.

shaunsimpson

12-03-2009, 11:46 AM

Yes he is.

I noted that at the bottom.

mikep

12-03-2009, 12:02 PM

I noted that at the bottom.

Sorry I missed that(but I love to bring it up)

coach

12-03-2009, 12:19 PM

don't be suprised if we meet them in the next couple years on the court. we're back, and i can guarantee you all this football jockeying will make the ncaa guys take notice of that potential matchup.

MDW79

12-03-2009, 12:20 PM

OSU underachieves every year! What kind of team with that many 4/5 star recruits loses to Siena in the first round?

Any Big 10 team not named Michigan State. When they get to the tourney they're not used to teams actually trying to score more than 65. Btw, I'm sure Purdue's ranking will hold up. :rolleyes:

MDW79

12-03-2009, 12:22 PM

don't be suprised if we meet them in the next couple years on the court. we're back, and i can guarantee you all this football jockeying will make the ncaa guys take notice of that potential matchup.

It would take a lot of help in the tourney seeding, otherwise it aint happening.

dp3113

12-03-2009, 12:41 PM

They didn't get Mel Levitt, Steve Logan, Damon Flint (almost did), Bobby Brannen, Ryan Fletcher, Keith Gregor, or Yancy Gates.

Thad Matta didn't coach at OSU in the 90's, when 5 of those 6 guys were signed- when the guy said about having Ohio to theselves, probably wasn't referencing it in regards to players recruited from mid 90's by a completely different coach.

Also, Flint committed to OSU and would have gone there had Randy Ayers not been caught buying him a meal. He probably isn't the best example here.

shaunsimpson

12-03-2009, 02:31 PM

BeastUC

12-03-2009, 03:18 PM

O$U threads on a UC board is the exact reason O$U fans think UC fans are obsessed with them.

mikep

12-03-2009, 03:40 PM

O$U threads on a UC board is the exact reason O$U fans think UC fans are obsessed with them.

OSU has been doing a lot of talking about UC this year thanks to Coach K & 700 wlw

BeastUC

12-03-2009, 03:43 PM

OSU has been doing a lot of talking about UC this year thanks to Coach K & 700 wlw

Oh trust me i know they have,but threads like this only make them think are really worth of being discussed by UC fans,and they aren't.

mikep

12-03-2009, 03:50 PM

Thad Matta didn't coach at OSU in the 90's, when 5 of those 6 guys were signed- when the guy said about having Ohio to theselves, probably wasn't referencing it in regards to players recruited from mid 90's by a completely different coach.

Also, Flint committed to OSU and would have gone there had Randy Ayers not been caught buying him a meal. He probably isn't the best example here.

Thad has done most of his recruiting so far vs. a weak UK, OSU, & IU. All 3 programs are on MUCH stronger footing now. If Bob Knight or Tom Crean is at IU when Oden and Connelly are in HS and both stay home thus no final 4 and final game for Thad. Plus his star point guard was a Huggins commit before that all went to ****. Things are going to be getting way harder for Thad now battling Crean, Mick, and Coach Cal for the top local talent. .

dp3113

12-03-2009, 04:31 PM

Thad has done most of his recruiting so far vs. a weak UK, OSU, & IU. All 3 programs are on MUCH stronger footing now. If Bob Knight or Tom Crean is at IU when Oden and Connelly are in HS and both stay home thus no final 4 and final game for Thad. Plus his star point guard was a Huggins commit before that all went to ****. Things are going to be getting way harder for Thad now battling Crean, Mick, and Coach Cal for the top local talent. .

Connelly and Oden are irrelevant. this is about Ohio recruits, not Indiana recruits.

Also, Jamar Butler's freshman year was 2004-2005- Huggins was still at UC. he committed to OSU before the huggins thing "went to ****".

I'm not disagreeing that it will be harder for Matta- Im just saying its a fact that he has dominated in state recruiting the last 4 or so years.

levydl

12-03-2009, 04:41 PM

The irony of the comment is that they haven't consistently gotten the Ohio talent......yes, they have done very well, but have lost a lot of Ohio talent. They have lived off of Indiana talent at times.

Matta certainly has. Dequan Cook, David Lighty, Kosta Kofous, Lauderdale, Diebler, Buford, Mullens, with Sibert, Sullinger, Weatherspoon (the kid who decommitted from X), and Craft coming in next year. There's just no denying that the guy has recently pulled in most of top talent from OH. Oden and Conley, and Thomas next year, are from Indiana, but a large percentage of his recruits are OH guys.

mikep

12-03-2009, 04:41 PM

Connelly and Oden are irrelevant. this is about Ohio recruits, not Indiana recruits.

Also, Jamar Butler's freshman year was 2004-2005- Huggins was still at UC. he committed to OSU before the huggins thing "went to ****".

I'm not disagreeing that it will be harder for Matta- Im just saying its a fact that he has dominated in state recruiting the last 4 or so years.

Huggs was damaged goods by then, he was a dead man walking at least 1.5 yrs

shaunsimpson

12-03-2009, 05:10 PM

I am not saying that Matta hasn't gotten his share, but it isn't as if he has a wall around Ohio, although 2010 would make it appear as if he does.

Rivals top 150 from Ohio

2005
115 Derrick Brown Xavier
116 Travis Walton Michigan State
133 Korey Spates Purdue

2006
13 Daequan Cook Ohio State
33 Raymar Morgan Michigan State
36 David Lighty Ohio State.
100 James Dews Miami-FL

2007
7 Bill Walker Kansas State
16 Kosta Koufos Ohio State
50 Alex Tyus Florida
54 Jason Henry Cincinnati
60 Jon Diebler Ohio State
88 Chris Wright Dayton
94 Dante Jackson Xavier

2008
1 B.J. Mullens Ohio State
19 William Buford Ohio State
22 Yancy Gates Cincinnati
24 Delvon Roe Michigan State
41 Kenny Frease Xavier
78 Jason Henry Arkansas

2009
75 Garrick Sherman Michigan State

2010
3 Jared Sullinger Ohio State
20 Adreian Payne Michigan State
37 Jordan Sibert Ohio State
104 Aaron Craft Ohio State
115 Griffin McKenzie Xavier
137 J.D. Weatherspoon Ohio State

CaptainProbasco

12-03-2009, 05:34 PM

Some of you are really obsessed with Ohio State.

I grew up a UC basketball fan. It took until sophmore year of college (2002) for me to even realize that OSU had a good football program because, quite honestly, I didn't pay attention to any team that UC wasn't playing in basketball.

Why do you pay more attention to OSU basketball than, say, Kentucky or Butler? They're the same distance, we never play them, and have both been ranked just as consistently as OSU over the past decade. Why do you care so much? Just because they're in the same state? Who cares? The rest of Ohio sucks anyways; they're welcome to it.

Ignore them already. They have NO EFFECT on us. We never play them, and rarely recruit against them. If you're also a Buckeye fan, that's understandable; feel free to follow them on OSU boards. But if you're not an OSU fan, why do you care about them? Because you feel slighted by ESPN announcers? Grow up. Because of Buckeye fans at work? There's more Kentucky fans in Cincy than OSU fans. Because of something else? What is it?

Sorry for the rant, I'm really interested in seeing any answers.

Columbus_Bearcat13

12-03-2009, 05:50 PM

The guy doing the OSU FSU hoops game (fran) just said that OSU will be the best team in the Big 10 because "they have Ohio all to themselves"

How is that Ohio State's fault that the announcer said that? Sounds more like a reason to hate the announcer.

Lobot

12-03-2009, 08:50 PM

Ignore them already. They have NO EFFECT on us. We never play them, and rarely recruit against them. .

This is just plain wrong. Thad Matta is bringing in 4 and 5 star recruits and top state players that are from OHIO. It absolutely has an effect on us because despite your statement we DO recruit against them. Jamar Butler was one example.

blackattack

12-03-2009, 10:48 PM

This is just plain wrong. Thad Matta is bringing in 4 and 5 star recruits and top state players that are from OHIO. It absolutely has an effect on us because despite your statement we DO recruit against them. Jamar Butler was one example.

I hope Matta continues to dominate OHIO basketball recruiting. Ohio simply isn't a strong high school hoops state. Most years Indiana, Illinois, and even Kentucky are much stronger for basketball recruits. If Cronin is going to continue to build this program to the next level he is going to have to recruit kids from the northeast and the Atlantic coast states - that's where the elite high school hoops talent is. Ask yourself this: when is the last time you saw a UConn, Villanova, North Carolina, or Duke come to Ohio to recruit a kid?? Answer - almost NEVER. And please don't say it's because they couldn't get them away from OSU - Roy Williams and Co could probably take anybody they want in this state - they just don't recruit Ohio because it's not as rich in talent as other states.

dp3113

12-04-2009, 02:07 AM

I hope Matta continues to dominate OHIO basketball recruiting. Ohio simply isn't a strong high school hoops state. Most years Indiana, Illinois, and even Kentucky are much stronger for basketball recruits. If Cronin is going to continue to build this program to the next level he is going to have to recruit kids from the northeast and the Atlantic coast states - that's where the elite high school hoops talent is. Ask yourself this: when is the last time you saw a UConn, Villanova, North Carolina, or Duke come to Ohio to recruit a kid?? Answer - almost NEVER. And please don't say it's because they couldn't get them away from OSU - Roy Williams and Co could probably take anybody they want in this state - they just don't recruit Ohio because it's not as rich in talent as other states.

they aren't coming to Ohio, or you don't hear about them, because Matta is locking these guys up extremely early- many in their sophomore and junior years.

but what about when that top 10 or so player comes around from ohio here and there? something can be said for knowing that no matter what, you have a good shot at him simply because you are a recruiting force in your own state.

dp3113

12-04-2009, 02:09 AM

Matta certainly has. Dequan Cook, David Lighty, Kosta Kofous, Lauderdale, Diebler, Buford, Mullens, with Sibert, Sullinger, Weatherspoon (the kid who decommitted from X), and Craft coming in next year. There's just no denying that the guy has recently pulled in most of top talent from OH. Oden and Conley, and Thomas next year, are from Indiana, but a large percentage of his recruits are OH guys.

Truest statement in this thread. I hate OSU, but I don't get why people here get pissed off when they get recognized for doing something well. OSU has by and large hard a firm lock on in state talent. That's a fact- as you said. It is not a slight at UC, and I don't get why people get so defensive about it, as if an OSU compliment is an insult towards UC.

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12-06-2009, 09:24 PM

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CaptainProbasco

12-09-2009, 03:10 PM

Ok, I get that OSU is exceptional at recruiting the northern and eastern parts of Ohio. That makes sense. They get first shot at that talent, in the same way that we get first shot at talent from within 30 miles of Cincinnati.

But Indiana gets first shot at recruits in most of Indiana. Kentucky gets first shot at recruits in most of Kentucky. Yet you don't find a thread labeled "Reasons I Hate IU" or "Reasons I Hate UK." There seems to be some extra hatred for OSU for some reason that I can't grasp. What is that reason? If it's the perception that they're a bigger program in our state, then not only is it a false perception, it's also the definition of a little brother complex. Is there another reason?

BearcatAlum1

12-09-2009, 03:40 PM

^ I don't think it is a little brother syndrome as you suggest.

I believe it is the fact that the O$U fanbase doesn't know squat about sports. These same O$U fans are ignorant, arrogant and dismiss everything as a turd it if isn't O$U colors.

In reality, I think it is O$U fans that have an inferiority complex. They're the biggest school (and have the nicest facilities) but aren't the biggest bad$$. They always played second fiddle to Huggins and UC for approximately 20 years and then played second fiddle to Eggsavier (save the Oden/Conley year).

I've never viewed O$U has the best basketball program in the state and probably never will. First day flameouts in the NCAA when you have a home game aren't my idea of a successful or intimidating program.

I cannot think of a more overrated basketball team in the last couple years than O$U.