What's ahead for Yancy and Cashmere?

[Jason1432]

I think you'll see one or the other booted from practice this week. Mick is trying all the Huggs tactics to get them on board with his style of play. That's why Yance played 4 mins and Cash about 8 yesterday. He knows he needs these two to play at or above expectations in Big East play to save his job.

[Bearcat Fan Since 1958]

I think you'll see one or the other booted from practice this week. Mick is trying all the Huggs tactics to get them on board with his style of play. That's why Yance played 4 mins and Cash about 8 yesterday. He knows he needs these two to play at or above expectations in Big East play to save his job.

His job is not in jeopardy. He has 3 more years left on his contract after 2010 season.

[BearcatAlum1]

We NEED Yancy and Cash to perform to their abilities if we are going to be a solid NCAA team. This isn't to say that we CAN'T be successful and earn an NCAA bid without them, but they greatly raise our talent and ability when playing HARD and SMART.

Get on board, or the ship leaves without ya......

[MST83]

most coaches get contracts that extend 3 years out because without such it is hard to recruit. No sensible AD lets the contract simple runout, because during the runout period you cannot recruit decent players and thus the new coach gets an empty closet.

That doesn't mean that the contract has to be paid in full. Perhaps only the base or some other amount is payable under the terms and conditions.

Tell me the last big time basketball school coach whose contract was simply allowed to runout? Coaches leave for a step up job, are terminated for cause (Kelvin Sampson with a package to avoid a messy legal battle), or are terminated and paid the balance of the contract, sometimes with an offset by the salary from another job taken during the remaining contract period.


His job is not in jeopardy. He has 3 more years left on his contract after 2010 season.

[JerseySean]

I think you'll see one or the other booted from practice this week. Mick is trying all the Huggs tactics to get them on board with his style of play. That's why Yance played 4 mins and Cash about 8 yesterday. He knows he needs these two to play at or above expectations in Big East play to save his job.

I think we need Yancy to play to his expectations to be competitive in the BEast. I'm not so sure about Cash. I really think Dixon is an emerging star and Parker could be very good, too. I just don't think we need Cash as much as Yancy.

As for Cronin "saving his job", I think his number one motivation is to "win". Competitive people don't think about winning in terms of saving their job -- they simply can't stand losing. Win, and everything takes care of itself. It's really that simple.

[coach]

hopefully hard work. they both can be excellent players. it's interesting to draw a parallel between stephenson and gates/wright. they are all very talented, but clearly ls has benefited from playing with older, bigger guys on a regular basis. he knows how to use his body and protect and receive the ball. it's the biggest factor jumping from hs to college, and he's ready for it. i hope they continue to show him at the point.

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Hey, uh everybody on here....

SHUT UP about Mick's job status. He's doing a great job. Have some patience and oh yeah, also, some INTELLIGENCE.

Ridiculous, outrageous, and laughable at the same time how some people on this message board just simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND college basketball.

[bearcatbmr]

I'm sorry but this is year four.. the excuses for Mick don't work anymore. It's basketball not football... it doesn't take nearly as long to build a program in bball. Matta did it at Ohio St. in one year. Mick is at year 4 and I have yet to see him develop any of his talent. Deonta was awesome as a Freshman and Sophomore and now I barely hear his named called. Yancy hasn't gotten much better if any better at all. A year off is a long time so I think Cashmere will be fine, but Mick surely hasn't made him any better yet. The offense has little movement, the team can't shoot free throws, and they tend to get lazy at times. They are winning games because of talent and talent alone (Mick can recruit I will give him that), but if this team doesn't make the tourney or barely makes the tourney as like a 12 seed its time for change IMO. Don't tell me I don't know basketball either, its like telling Bill Gates he doesnt know Microsoft.

[STKohls]

I'm sorry but this is year four.. the excuses for Mick don't work anymore. It's basketball not football... it doesn't take nearly as long to build a program in bball. Matta did it at Ohio St. in one year. Mick is at year 4 and I have yet to see him develop any of his talent. Deonta was awesome as a Freshman and Sophomore and now I barely hear his named called. Yancy hasn't gotten much better if any better at all. A year off is a long time so I think Cashmere will be fine, but Mick surely hasn't made him any better yet. The offense has little movement, the team can't shoot free throws, and they tend to get lazy at times. They are winning games because of talent and talent alone (Mick can recruit I will give him that), but if this team doesn't make the tourney or barely makes the tourney as like a 12 seed its time for change IMO. Don't tell me I don't know basketball either, its like telling Bill Gates he doesnt know Microsoft.


First, I agree that they must make the tournament. I think anyone who says differently is kidding themselves. Would Mick be fired? maybe not, but it would be an extremely disappointing year without an NCAA berth. As you say, the talent is clearly there.

I must disagree with your assertion that Mick isn't developing the talent. If you know basketball you know that progress is never linear. Players get better, regress, then get better again. UC's visit to Maui earlier showed some stuff from Yancy we never saw last year. Same with Bishop, same with Dixon. Is Yancy in a funk for the last couple of games? Yes. Will it last all season? No. In fact, we'll probably see Stephenson have a few off games at some point - everyone does. They break up with their girlfriend, or struggle with classes, or argue with their mom, or read this board, whatever.

The problems of X & UAB are just like the successes of Vandy & Maryland - they're just one-game snapshots that don't tell the complete story. UC is not as bad as the first half at UAB, and probably not as good as the team that handled Vandy & Maryland without any problems. My opinion is that UC is closer to the Maui team than the UAB team, but only time will tell.

And this is not directed at you, but I tire of the extreme opinions on both sides who always think that everything is perfect, or always think that everything sucks. I'd say my ignore list is running 50/50 with those two groups right now.

[stevedodds]

Cronin-UC and Matta-OSU are hardly comparable situations.

More like Crean at IU if you want to make anything resembling an apples to apples comparison. Matta had returning talent when he took over.

[DMoney1080]

I'll give Cash a break. This is his first year playing college. He's made great moves to the basket, but hasn't converted. Plays a little out of control, but I like his aggressiveness.

Yancy - I can only hope he gets s*** together soon. Seriously, since they have returned from Maui, anyone he guards he makes them look like a superstar. His defense is crap, effort - crap, and scoring ----- DUNK the ball. No more going up soft. The only person who he beats down the court would be a senior citizen...and it would be by a hair. It's laziness. If wants to find a spot on the bench the rest of the season - keep it up. I'd rather watch Biggie and Thomas give effort than he does.

[Helicopter]

Tell me the last big time basketball school coach whose contract was simply allowed to runout?

Andy Kennedy

[qsilvr2531]

Andy Kennedy

Kennedy was an interim coach.

[CincyEngGrad02]

I think Denny Crum's contract was allowed to expire.

[bearcatbmr]

STKohls

I understand the ups and downs of the game, and that people will have bad games. I think it is the lack of effort that makes me feel like these guys just will not get any better. They don't seem to care enough. Yancy being the main point here. Those wins vs. Vandy and Maryland aren't really looking to be that impressive anymore, and who knows maybe UAB wins CUSA and turns out to be a good team that caught us off guard. Don't get me wrong though, I am not completely down on this team and no I am not completely doubting Mick as a coach. All I am saying is that there needs to be massive improvements made in player developement and team discipline. Ok you might be right about the Matta situation, but in the same respece Calipari is kicking players off his team because the recruits he has coming in are that much better, and that team went from a non-tournament team to one of the best teams in the nation.. not because of Gillespie's guys, but rather Calipari's. I know Kentucky is a CBB mecca, but UC was one of the winningest programs in the 90's and had built quite a prestige under Huggins. I didn't expect a one or even a two year turnaround. My expecatations under Mick were year 1: excused year 2: excused year 3: Bubble team (failed because of a terrible finish) year 4: solid tourney team (right now we are barely a bubble team) year 5: sweet 16 contender. I don't think I was unreasonable here and I think these were most UC fans expectations. Tom Crean probably has the same expectations at Indiana, but I am pretty certain that team will be in the tourney next season, and a powerhouse thereafter. Under Mick I don't really know if we are ever competing for national titles, much more like a Clemson or Wake Forest.