Tre Boston DB, 2010, North Ft. Myers, FL

[milfordcats]

Soft verbal per rivals.

6'1"
175lbs
4.41 40-yard dash
High 3* per rivals
North Fort Myers HS

This kid is one of the better players in the class and hopefully we can lock him up as I believe staff was important to him. Was recruited by Diaco unfortunately but did visit per rivals this past weekend.

Offers from: UC, Mich St, NC, Rutgers, Iowa St, Minnesota, Purdue, IN, and a few lower schools.

Lists us as a soft verbal with Med interest in Mich St, NC, and Rutgers.

Really would like to lock him up ASAP.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/cincinnati/football/recruiting/player-Tre-Boston-98055

[Thegreatone]

I think Tre stays. We is an ahlete and would more than likely be our fastest recruit in this class

[Thegreatone]

Interest level: 5 out of 5 (soft verbal)

[Racinejake]

Boston will decide between UC and North Carolina according to this blurb from a NC premium article. UNC fans are feeling confident and apparently he's said that he could announce as early as this Friday. I'd definitely hate to lose him as I think we need another CB.



http://northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=78&p=2&c=938571&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fnorthcarolina.scout.com% 2f2%2f938571.html


Wonder if this has anything to do with the offer to Deven Drane?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/cincinnati/football/recruiting/player-Deven-Drane-106246

[colocat]

I think Tre stays. We is an ahlete and would more than likely be our fastest recruit in this class

Thegreatone, first of all thank you for the time you spend on the recruiting forum - it makes it easier for everyone to sort out and it's a big asset. Can you tell me what your opinions are based on? Are you interviewing these kids, or do you see what's posted in articles and make an educated guess?

[DCrack]

I think Tre stays. We is an ahlete and would more than likely be our fastest recruit in this class

Tre stated that when he made his official visit to UC that he didn't even meet with BK. That makes me think he is more interested in the program and his potential for immediate PT than the Coach.

[Thegreatone]

Thegreatone, first of all thank you for the time you spend on the recruiting forum - it makes it easier for everyone to sort out and it's a big asset. Can you tell me what your opinions are based on? Are you interviewing these kids, or do you see what's posted in articles and make an educated guess?

Thanks. I will see ShaunSampson does a lot to support the recruiting forums. I try to find as much out and I post interest levels based off interviews and articles. The interest levels are completely my opinion off what I hear and read.

[BearcatAlum1]

Thanks. I will see ShaunSampson does a lot to support the recruiting forums. I try to find as much out and I post interest levels based off interviews and articles. The interest levels are completely my opinion off what I hear and read.

Now you tell me!

My friends and I were placing bets and we used your "interest levels" to make the odds.

Geez.......

[Jmac84]

You have to love the size and speed of this guy. I know we've recruited a lot of DB's lately, but most of them are smaller types. A big, fast corner is so huge in the college game in my opinion. Hopefully we can keep Tre in the fold.

[vegasbearcat]

Boston is going to NC. I f'ing knew that was going to happen. I'm so sick of this. We are back to back Big East champions, which is a BCS conference. Our recruiting class is rated in the mid fifties and now will certainly drop after losing Boston. Syracuse has a better class than us and so does South Fla. How does this happen? If you look at it you will see that whenever it comes down to us and any other BCS school, all things being equal, we will lose 99 out of 100 times.

I am convinced that it is for the following reason. These are kids, they want the spotlight, they want to play on a national stage. This also includes a stadium that holds more than a community college. If I was a player and I had offers from multiple schools, that would be a huge turn off for me. HUGE!! We have nice facilities, a growing program, an exciting offensive plan, and everything else a visiting recruit would like to see except for one thing. A decent sized stadium.

This is a bigger problem than people realize. And I don't want to hear that we can't sell it out, BS. If we have a nice renovated stadium with much more capacity, better recruits will come and the games will sell more tickets.

IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME!!!!!!!!

[shaunsimpson]

You are way off on the 99 of 100 recruits with other BCS offers don't come to UC.

This is due to a few things:
1) We have a new coach who didn't recruit these kids. They have had contact with other staffs way longer than they have with Jones and company.
2) You are right. Some love Nippert stadium, but we will not be able to recruit at a high level year in and year out with 35,000 maximum capacity.

[Alpha5]

Boston is going to NC. I f'ing knew that was going to happen. I'm so sick of this. We are back to back Big East champions, which is a BCS conference. Our recruiting class is rated in the mid fifties and now will certainly drop after losing Boston. Syracuse has a better class than us and so does South Fla. How does this happen? If you look at it you will see that whenever it comes down to us and any other BCS school, all things being equal, we will lose 99 out of 100 times.

I am convinced that it is for the following reason. These are kids, they want the spotlight, they want to play on a national stage. This also includes a stadium that holds more than a community college. If I was a player and I had offers from multiple schools, that would be a huge turn off for me. HUGE!! We have nice facilities, a growing program, an exciting offensive plan, and everything else a visiting recruit would like to see except for one thing. A decent sized stadium.

This is a bigger problem than people realize. And I don't want to hear that we can't sell it out, BS. If we have a nice renovated stadium with much more capacity, better recruits will come and the games will sell more tickets.

IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME!!!!!!!!
A coaching change is how this happens, very rarely is there a coaching chance without recruiting movement. Its natural even coming off an undefeated season and back to back championships.

[Irishbearcat]

Jones is doing a great job. Look what happened to Tennessee. Keeping most of this class intact was job one. Anyone else of quality that comes on board is a bonus. It's not surprising that Boston bolted.

[shaunsimpson]

Jones is doing a great job. Look what happened to Tennessee. Keeping most of this class intact was job one. Anyone else of quality that comes on board is a bonus. It's not surprising that Boston bolted.

Jones has done a better job keeping these recruits here than Kelly has done at ND.

[vegasbearcat]

Even if we hadn't lost Kelly this would be the case. Take a look at list of recruits we had before Kelly left. There still was only one or two four star guys. Also, Syracuse and S. Fla have better talent coming in. Are you kidding me? I just don't get it. It's got to be the stadium. We've been all over the national media for two years, we're coming off an amazing three year run with an undefeted season, what am I missing? At this point, it's starting to look like the coaching change has not made that big of a deal.

I'm just frustrated. I think our Bearcats deserve the best. Facilities and players....

[shaunsimpson]

I can agree with much of that if not all of it.

[broeli]

Our recruiting classes also don't come even close to Pitt and WVU. IMO, BK didn't recruit many high rated players. He's even doing it at ND. The only thing we don't have that many others do is the stadium size. I'm still not sure why that would matter all that much to incoming recruits...but it must. You can still play in big stadiums on the road and they still get the tv coverage being at the top of the conference.
The biggest things for most high level recruits should be playing time, exposure, winning games and championships, and going to high level bowls. UC has done all of that better than anyone else in the Big East and most other teams in the nation over the past few years.

[Bearcatfan22]

Even if we hadn't lost Kelly this would be the case. Take a look at list of recruits we had before Kelly left. There still was only one or two four star guys. Also, Syracuse and S. Fla have better talent coming in. Are you kidding me? I just don't get it. It's got to be the stadium. We've been all over the national media for two years, we're coming off an amazing three year run with an undefeted season, what am I missing? At this point, it's starting to look like the coaching change has not made that big of a deal.

I'm just frustrated. I think our Bearcats deserve the best. Facilities and players....

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I think one of the factors that worked against us was that Kelly was always being considered for or looking at other jobs. I'm sure that was mentioned to recruits by other programs. If we can maintain a high level of play over the next season or two I think the recruits will follow. Kelly did a great job selling the program to the community and UC administration. He was like a politician and its why the practice facilities will be upgraded. Jones isn't as elequent a speaker, but his passion and enthusiasm will win recruits over.

[ou_bearcat]

Boston is going to NC. I f'ing knew that was going to happen. I'm so sick of this. We are back to back Big East champions, which is a BCS conference. Our recruiting class is rated in the mid fifties and now will certainly drop after losing Boston. Syracuse has a better class than us and so does South Fla. How does this happen? If you look at it you will see that whenever it comes down to us and any other BCS school, all things being equal, we will lose 99 out of 100 times.

I am convinced that it is for the following reason. These are kids, they want the spotlight, they want to play on a national stage. This also includes a stadium that holds more than a community college. If I was a player and I had offers from multiple schools, that would be a huge turn off for me. HUGE!! We have nice facilities, a growing program, an exciting offensive plan, and everything else a visiting recruit would like to see except for one thing. A decent sized stadium.

This is a bigger problem than people realize. And I don't want to hear that we can't sell it out, BS. If we have a nice renovated stadium with much more capacity, better recruits will come and the games will sell more tickets.

IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME!!!!!!!!

I agree with a lot of this post.

I am not angry he left; it is understandable.

What i don't understand is how UC's recruiting classes have been so bad considering the circumstances. Yes, they are improving, but you make some good points.

I dunno what the problem is, but as long as the cats keep winning, I couldn't care less where are recruiting class is ranked.

[Forsure21]

If the Cincinnati played their games down at PBS it would help recruiting big time!!! Kids whether in HS or college love playing in pro arenas. Ask the football team about playing in Pitt or USF. Ask the Bball team about playing at the Verizon center or Madison square Garden.

[DCrack]

Boston is going to NC. I f'ing knew that was going to happen. I'm so sick of this. We are back to back Big East champions, which is a BCS conference. Our recruiting class is rated in the mid fifties and now will certainly drop after losing Boston. Syracuse has a better class than us and so does South Fla. How does this happen? If you look at it you will see that whenever it comes down to us and any other BCS school, all things being equal, we will lose 99 out of 100 times.

I am convinced that it is for the following reason. These are kids, they want the spotlight, they want to play on a national stage. This also includes a stadium that holds more than a community college. If I was a player and I had offers from multiple schools, that would be a huge turn off for me. HUGE!! We have nice facilities, a growing program, an exciting offensive plan, and everything else a visiting recruit would like to see except for one thing. A decent sized stadium.

This is a bigger problem than people realize. And I don't want to hear that we can't sell it out, BS. If we have a nice renovated stadium with much more capacity, better recruits will come and the games will sell more tickets.

IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME!!!!!!!!
The Program continues to progress with each coaching change and with the same stadium. The recruiting classes don't mean as much as we all make them out to be. Look, none of the classes that made up this years team were top 50 and I think we are all pretty happy about the season.
There won't be a new stadium or major addition to Nippert until the Economy turns around. The ability to play at PBS is very viable and many Programs would love to have that option and more importantly fans to fill it up.
The recruits just from this area alone are better than most because of the quality of ball played here. The perferred walk ons CJ has secured commits from in years past would have been Scholarship offers or gone to MAC/Big Ten (low tier). We all know the rating system is extremely flawed and subjective; is Boston really that much better than Beal? If James or Anderson picks UC no one will remember Black or Boston.
CJ has already filled the DB stop voided by de-committment of Boston. Let's let the new staff get thier feet set and start the process for 2011. I think CJ has done a heck of a job so far.

[Bearcat Chris]

The real answer is this; these kids know who started (BK) with their recruiting to UC has left, and that the guy who will be there on day one when they report to camp, Butch J, won't be there by their senior year. Face it guys, no great program continues to lose coaches the way we do. BK did some very serious damage to this program.

B.C.

[FBBBUCfan]

The real answer is this; these kids know who started (BK) with their recruiting to UC has left, and that the guy who will be there on day one when they report to camp, Butch J, won't be there by their senior year.
B.C.

And how the h*ll do you know this for sure? Are you an insider? Did he tell you this?

How about we get to signing day first, then get the season started with where we are and what we have first? Then let the discussions commence.

[shaunsimpson]

Chris is still upset that Coombs didn't get the job and that he is still the secondary coach.

[cincy34]

Apparently you guys just started following UC. We have had "inferior" recruits to every team except Connecticut since we have been in the Big East. We are gaining on most of the conference. Relax. Coach Jones has done a good job keeping this class together. Another 10 win season and we will start to land more 4 star recruits.

[mjb1979]

Lack of tradition + ugly campus+ coaching change = Recruiting challenges. I think Coach Jones has done a great job keeping the class together while adding in some other guys, and also getting some good walk-on commitments.

[jkwuc89]

Remember too that last season's team which won a 2nd straight Big East did not have a graduating senior with a recruit ranking above two stars. Getting talent on campus is step 1. Developing that talent into a championship calibar team is much more important. That's where Coach Kelly's staff excelled and that's where Coach Jones and his staff need to be at their very beat.

[bearcat29]

I totally agree. Only the kids at UC remember any kind of tradition of a winner. Kids grow up watching a program on ESPN. Before last year, ESPN barely knew UC had a program.
How many top 300 recruits knew of UC before 3 years ago?! Also, when you have trouble selling out 35K, you have problems getting recruits (not even done this year!). Get a grip...it takes time to build a program.

[Cleveland_Bearcat]

Lack of tradition + ugly campus+ coaching change = Recruiting challenges. I think Coach Jones has done a great job keeping the class together while adding in some other guys, and also getting some good walk-on commitments.

1)Oregon, Boise State, and Miami all lack a the common notion of "tradition". Yet they compete at a very high level. Is there a chance that tradition affects program boosters and the casual fan to a greater extent?

2)Ugly campus? Have you been on campus? People I know who are heading through southern Ohio consider stopping at UC just to see the campus. That could not be said of any other campus in the state. This sounds like a personal bias to me. I'm not sure recruits have the same opinion.

3)Coaching changes are recruiting challenges, but should be primarily viewed as an opportunity. There have been plenty of instances where a new coach raised the profile of the program and maintained strong recruiting ties. Boise States transition from Dan Hawkins comes to mind.

4)Those that think moving to PBS would benefit UC puzzle me. I personally don't like to watch any college team play in a pro stadium. Where is this successful? UC should take advantage of their unique situation and dynamic campus. Expanding Nippert while maintaining its unique characteristics is a real opportunity for UC to raise the profile of their program and help reinforce their sense of tradition.

[mjb1979]

2)Ugly campus? Have you been on campus? People I know who are heading through southern Ohio consider stopping at UC just to see the campus. That could not be said of any other campus in the state. This sounds like a personal bias to me. I'm not sure recruits have the same opinion.



I went to UC, and I am on campus at least 10 times a year now. I also had a job for two year where I traveled around to college campuses to recruit. UC is decent for an urban campus, but if you're comparing UC to UNC, for example, UNC is a **** of a lot nicer. This doesn't make a difference to some recruits, but some kids want a strong college atmosphere, which UC just doesn't have. Again, won't make a difference to some kids, but for a lot of kids, it does.

[leeey]

i think the debate about playing at PBS has also yielded that it's a financial loser for the Bearcats. Need to figure out how to make Nippert profitable but playing at PBS won't yield any financial gains for UC as long as the Browns control it.

[subflea]

The real answer is this; these kids know who started (BK) with their recruiting to UC has left, and that the guy who will be there on day one when they report to camp, Butch J, won't be there by their senior year. Face it guys, no great program continues to lose coaches the way we do. BK did some very serious damage to this program.

B.C.

Or we could have given the job to the inexperienced coach you have been pimping for the last two years. The most likely scenerio in that case is that we would fall to the bottom of the conference and he would be fired in 4 or 5 years.
Kerry Coombs is in the position he should be at this point in his college coaching career, a position coach.

[cmm27]

I don't think BK did much damage to the program. If you look at who they have lost that had actually been committed to play here and who they have replaced them with it seems like a wash.

[shaunsimpson]

I don't think BK did much damage to the program. If you look at who they have lost that had actually been committed to play here and who they have replaced them with it seems like a wash.

I wouldn't go that far. If we don't end up with Brown then we lost Brown, (most likely Massa) Boston and Black. I think that the Witty and Boston is a wash and I would rather have Cody as a QB than Massa, but would much rather have Black than Lazono and much rather have Brown than Robinson.

[cmm27]

The best thing about all this speculation on future players is in a few years we will know for sure whether or not this was a good class.

[DMoney1080]

Personally, the damage done by BK is nothing new if you look at our past. The only coach to last longer than 6 years was Minter in the past three decades. We are "building" tradition - I hate to admit it, but we are not a traditional powerhouse and in order to continue to build into one, we have to find players that fit our system. If you look back at the past recruiting classes for this year and last year, it's not too far off from what Boise did three or four years ago. We are getting there. The coaching change here is a big reason why some of the commits have changed their minds. I think CJ has done a good job in at least filling those gaps with other recruits.

To look at it another way - we could be Pitt or South Florida every year - have a top 20 recruiting class and have coaches that can't develop talent to win BE championships? How frustrating do you think that would be to be a fan of that program? We've won two in a row with players that were developed a lot better than those * associated with their recruitment indicated. Like someone else said, let's not get carried away with the stars, and let's see what comes out of this class.