Charlie Strong

[vegasbearcat]

Can someone please explain to me why Charlie Strong can step in to a program at the bottom of the league and make such a big splash? Butch Jones in taking over back to back BE champions and he is losing top guys left and right. I just don't get it. It is so frustration to watch.

Stadium, Stadium, Stadium..............

[broeli]

I don't get it either. Something fishy has to be going on. He has no relationship at all with them and just steals recruits after a one day visit?? I don't get it. It is not just us that he is stealing them from with very minimal recruiting either.
Louisville may make a quick comeback under him at this rate...if he has any coaching ability

[catscratchfever]

Can someone please explain to me why Charlie Strong can step in to a program at the bottom of the league and make such a big splash? Butch Jones in taking over back to back BE champions and he is losing top guys left and right. I just don't get it. It is so frustration to watch.

Stadium, Stadium, Stadium..............

Wow calm down dude! Did you miss the news that 4 star WR Dyjuan Lewis re-affirmed to UC? Did you miss the news that fellow Indy Pike WR Anthony McClung dropped UL to come to UC? Luke Massa to ND is no big deal, as Cody Kater will prove to be a much better college QB in my opinion. I am assuming you are partly referring to Dominique Brown dropping UC for louisville? Keep in mind that the kid wants to play QB. He can go to UL and compete to play right away. At UC he would not see the field for at least 2 years! Charlie Strong has also been at Louisville since the beginning of December. That is a HUUUGE additional month of recruiting that he had over Coach Jones. In addition, many of the kids that Coach Jones had built relationships with were MAC level talent. How many of those kids would you have wanted him to bring in? Charlie Strong has connections with schools that are producing BCS caliber talent, thanks to his time at Florida. Give Coach Jones time to build these relationships. Our recruiting class next year will be much improved I am sure. That said, I am pretty excited about the guys we have coming in this year!

[qsilvr2531]

Louisville has good facilities, Strong is a good recruiter and he's got plenty of playing time available at multiple positions. He's got multiple national championships on his resume and he's coached a significant number of players who went on to play in the NFL.

If Strong is also a good head coach Louisville is going to be in very good shape going forward (or until Strong moves on to another school). But at this point that's still an if. The main advantage Jones has over Strong is that Jones already has a track record as a successful head coach, but that isn't worth nearly as much in recruiting as it is during the actual season.

[leeey]

Wow calm down dude! Did you miss the news that 4 star WR Dyjuan Lewis re-affirmed to UC? Did you miss the news that fellow Indy Pike WR Anthony McClung dropped UL to come to UC? Luke Massa to ND is no big deal, as Cody Kater will prove to be a much better college QB in my opinion. I am assuming you are partly referring to Dominique Brown dropping UC for louisville? Keep in mind that the kid wants to play QB. He can go to UL and compete to play right away. At UC he would not see the field for at least 2 years! Charlie Strong has also been at Louisville since the beginning of December. That is a HUUUGE additional month of recruiting that he had over Coach Jones. In addition, many of the kids that Coach Jones had built relationships with were MAC level talent. How many of those kids would you have wanted him to bring in? Charlie Strong has connections with schools that are producing BCS caliber talent, thanks to his time at Florida. Give Coach Jones time to build these relationships. Our recruiting class next year will be much improved I am sure. That said, I am pretty excited about the guys we have coming in this year!

1) Dom. Brown might be a particular case since we couldn't promise starter mins/reps and they clearly can with their QB depth/talent.

2) Preston may go along for the ride and if that's the case so be it. Not every recruit is a 2 for 1. Why Preston is making this pact makes little sense to me. i had heard little about Preston being the reason Dom. Brown first verballed to UC, i'm not sure why Dom would be a factor in Preston switching to Louisville.

3) i've read elsewhere that Strong is pulling the bait and switch on some of the lower quality recruits, essentially pulling schollies and asking them to grey shirt. This is how we got McClung and how they created space for Dom. Brown. The timing of it all (a few days before signing day) is by design. We'll see how long this and any other recruiting shenanigans last, if true.

4) The one thing that Charlie Strong can promise recruits that UC can't is playing time. iirc, their depth is horrible and their talent speaks for itself. if your a young player looking to start immediately where are you going to go, UC or Louisville? i know the answer is specific to the position but generally speaking i think the answer is Louisville 7 times out of 10.

[colocat]

Wow calm down dude! Did you miss the news that 4 star WR Dyjuan Lewis re-affirmed to UC? Did you miss the news that fellow Indy Pike WR Anthony McClung dropped UL to come to UC? Luke Massa to ND is no big deal, as Cody Kater will prove to be a much better college QB in my opinion. I am assuming you are partly referring to Dominique Brown dropping UC for louisville? Keep in mind that the kid wants to play QB. He can go to UL and compete to play right away. At UC he would not see the field for at least 2 years! Charlie Strong has also been at Louisville since the beginning of December. That is a HUUUGE additional month of recruiting that he had over Coach Jones. In addition, many of the kids that Coach Jones had built relationships with were MAC level talent. How many of those kids would you have wanted him to bring in? Charlie Strong has connections with schools that are producing BCS caliber talent, thanks to his time at Florida. Give Coach Jones time to build these relationships. Our recruiting class next year will be much improved I am sure. That said, I am pretty excited about the guys we have coming in this year!

Amen. Further, to claim that something fishy is going on is irresponsible. Strong has an excellent background recruiting, he was a highly successful Defensive Coordinator at the best current program in the nation, and the kids really seem to relate to him. In terms of Louisville, they were supposed to be the next monster program just a few years ago. They built a great following, expanded their stadium and dramatically improved their facilities. Could it be that high school recruits have better memories than us fans?

Coach Jones is just fine. There's a ton of young talent in the program, he's grabbed a few key recruits in recent weeks, and the current players have responded positively to him.

[marcuscan]

Are you guys serious?!? you're talking about Charlie Strong. this isn't a fly by night 1/2 year successful guy. this guy has worked for some of the best coaches in college football history (Spurrier, Urban Meyer & Lou Holtz). he aided in orchestrating one of greatest BCS upsets and eventual humiliations ever (UF 41 - OSU 14). he SHUT DOWN an offense that had multiple 1st rounders and an Heisman....82 TOTAL YARDS! his next trip to the BCS he shut down an even more impressive offense which had been putting up historic fireworks.

he has been to the mountain top MULTIPLE times, he's matched wits with some of the finest coaches in the game, sent guys to the NFL, etc, etc, etc.

how in the world you guys could be missing the appeal of such a guy is beyond me. he's connected to the most fertile recruiting land in the nation, FL. he's at the university with as much, if not more resources than every other BEAST team. i knew he was gonna be a MAJOR problem the second i heard he was under consideration.

By comparison, Butch (and i'm hopeful and happy we have him, but it doesn't change the fact) hasn't competed or seen the level of sophistication that Strong has in the college game.

Look, when Urban Meyer co-signs for you REPEATEDLY than best believe theirs some thing to a guy's credentials. it is overly simplistic to think that just b/c he was a coach at UF he's just "getting over" b/c of the kids he has. FSU stinks, The U ain't special, USC hasn't won big in years and countless other elite recruit destinations haven't succeed tho they're stocked. Urban has always allowed for Strong to work w/lots of automoy. he's the real deal.






mc

[Thegreatone]

We did just get one of their recruits yesterday. Coaching changes make a big difference. Just chill.

[leeey]

Are you guys serious?!? you're talking about Charlie Strong. this isn't a fly by night 1/2 year successful guy. this guy has worked for some of the best coaches in college football history (Spurrier, Urban Meyer & Lou Holtz). he aided in orchestrating one of greatest BCS upsets and eventual humiliations ever (UF 41 - OSU 14). he SHUT DOWN an offense that had multiple 1st rounders and an Heisman....82 TOTAL YARDS! his next trip to the BCS he shut down an even more impressive offense which had been putting up historic fireworks.

he has been to the mountain top MULTIPLE times, he's matched wits with some of the finest coaches in the game, sent guys to the NFL, etc, etc, etc.

how in the world you guys could be missing the appeal of such a guy is beyond me. he's connected to the most fertile recruiting land in the nation, FL. he's at the university with as much, if not more resources than every other BEAST team. i knew he was gonna be a MAJOR problem the second i heard he was under consideration.

By comparison, Butch (and i'm hopeful and happy we have him, but it doesn't change the fact) hasn't competed or seen the level of sophistication that Strong has in the college game.

Look, when Urban Meyer co-signs for you REPEATEDLY than best believe theirs some thing to a guy's credentials. it is overly simplistic to think that just b/c he was a coach at UF he's just "getting over" b/c of the kids he has. FSU stinks, The U ain't special, USC hasn't won big in years and countless other elite recruit destinations haven't succeed tho they're stocked. Urban has always allowed for Strong to work w/lots of automoy. he's the real deal.
mc

The college football landscape is littered with the proverbial carcasses of "great recruiter-turned-HCs". i'd like to see him win something as Captain of his own ship before i'd let my kid sign on the dotted line; and i don't think that's too much to ask.

[vegasbearcat]

Are you guys serious?!? you're talking about Charlie Strong. this isn't a fly by night 1/2 year successful guy. this guy has worked for some of the best coaches in college football history (Spurrier, Urban Meyer & Lou Holtz). he aided in orchestrating one of greatest BCS upsets and eventual humiliations ever (UF 41 - OSU 14). he SHUT DOWN an offense that had multiple 1st rounders and an Heisman....82 TOTAL YARDS! his next trip to the BCS he shut down an even more impressive offense which had been putting up historic fireworks.

he has been to the mountain top MULTIPLE times, he's matched wits with some of the finest coaches in the game, sent guys to the NFL, etc, etc, etc.

how in the world you guys could be missing the appeal of such a guy is beyond me. he's connected to the most fertile recruiting land in the nation, FL. he's at the university with as much, if not more resources than every other BEAST team. i knew he was gonna be a MAJOR problem the second i heard he was under consideration.

By comparison, Butch (and i'm hopeful and happy we have him, but it doesn't change the fact) hasn't competed or seen the level of sophistication that Strong has in the college game.

Look, when Urban Meyer co-signs for you REPEATEDLY than best believe theirs some thing to a guy's credentials. it is overly simplistic to think that just b/c he was a coach at UF he's just "getting over" b/c of the kids he has. FSU stinks, The U ain't special, USC hasn't won big in years and countless other elite recruit destinations haven't succeed tho they're stocked. Urban has always allowed for Strong to work w/lots of automoy. he's the real deal.

mc


Okay, Okay........Geeze Louise..... I just want the best for my Bearcats and, as a fan, I worry when you lose the best, most successful coach in UC history. I like Butch Jones a lot and think he will do a good job. I just hope we don't have to go through a "transition" year or two.

[marcuscan]

The college football landscape is littered with the proverbial carcasses of "great recruiter-turned-HCs". i'd like to see him win something as Captain of his own ship before i'd let my kid sign on the dotted line; and i don't think that's too much to ask.


the converse is also true. and with that in mind it makes sense to wanna get on board. Saban, Meyer, Stoops and plenty others were great asst coaches who successfully navigated the transition.


time will tell.


in the mean time, i wanna see CBJ take what he's been given and keep things going. we cannot afford any fallback.







mc

[DCrack]

The college football landscape is littered with the proverbial carcasses of "great recruiter-turned-HCs". i'd like to see him win something as Captain of his own ship before i'd let my kid sign on the dotted line; and i don't think that's too much to ask.

Are talking about Mick?

[leeey]

Are talking about Mick?

No...i don't wade into the pissing matches that go on about UC's current HC or prior ones. i support Mick 100% just as i'd supported Huggs 100%, and BK and Dantonio and Minter.

it was a literal comment about great recruiters/assistant coaches being given HC jobs. Needless to say, everyone has got to come from somewhere, but being a good coordinator/recruiter doesn't guarantee anything. if i'm a parent, i'm going to send my kid to the best school for him/her. That said, i'd question sending my kid to play for a guy that has no HC experience/record to draw upon.

[Irishbearcat]

Louisville just got relevent. We had better get used to it. They may not win right away, but the recruiting side should be a battle, at least in KY and farther south.

[cincy34]

as i mentioned in another thread. Charlie Strong is the best hire this year by any team. For all of the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that he is the most impressive coach i have ever seen, speak and coach personally. Meet Charlie and you become a believer. I am not suprised by any of his recruiting sucess. Coach Jones will have his hands full keeping up. I think he can do it, UC louisville is going to be a great rivalry for the next 5 years.

[blackattack]

Are you guys serious?!? you're talking about Charlie Strong. this isn't a fly by night 1/2 year successful guy. this guy has worked for some of the best coaches in college football history (Spurrier, Urban Meyer & Lou Holtz). he aided in orchestrating one of greatest BCS upsets and eventual humiliations ever (UF 41 - OSU 14). he SHUT DOWN an offense that had multiple 1st rounders and an Heisman....

[/QUOTE]he has been to the mountain top MULTIPLE times, he's matched wits with some of the finest coaches in the game, sent guys to the NFL, etc, etc, etc.[/QUOTE] Correction, he has been to the mountain top as an assistant coach.

Look, when Urban Meyer co-signs for you REPEATEDLY than best believe theirs some thing to a guy's credentials. [/QUOTE] I'm sure Strong is a fine coach, however if he REALLY is the second coming then I doubt he would have remained an assistant coach all of these years.

[/QUOTE]as i mentioned in another thread. Charlie Strong is the best hire this year by any team. For all of the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that he is the most impressive coach i have ever seen, speak and coach personally. Meet Charlie and you become a believer. I am not suprised by any of his recruiting sucess. Coach Jones will have his hands full keeping up. I think he can do it, UC louisville is going to be a great rivalry for the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]

Good grief guys....maybe Jones should just forfeit the Louisville game before we even play them if it's that much of mismatch!! We will see how Strong reacts in a tough competitive game as a Head Coach.

[JohnFrancis]

I know several 'Ville fans who aren't exactly thrilled with Strong. They are just waiting for a few Les Miles moments (blowing games)....many don't have confidence in him on game day and he hasn't even coached a game yet - we'll see. To say Louisville is relevant again is a stretch. These are just opinions I heard from Cards fans.

[Forsure21]

Let's see if the guy can coach- he hasn't proven anything. UL has always recruited pretty well.

[marcuscan]

he has been to the mountain top MULTIPLE times, he's matched wits with some of the finest coaches in the game, sent guys to the NFL, etc, etc, etc.[/QUOTE] Correction, he has been to the mountain top as an assistant coach.

Look, when Urban Meyer co-signs for you REPEATEDLY than best believe theirs some thing to a guy's credentials. [/QUOTE] I'm sure Strong is a fine coach, however if he REALLY is the second coming then I doubt he would have remained an assistant coach all of these years.

[/QUOTE]as i mentioned in another thread. Charlie Strong is the best hire this year by any team. For all of the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that he is the most impressive coach i have ever seen, speak and coach personally. Meet Charlie and you become a believer. I am not suprised by any of his recruiting sucess. Coach Jones will have his hands full keeping up. I think he can do it, UC louisville is going to be a great rivalry for the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]

Good grief guys....maybe Jones should just forfeit the Louisville game before we even play them if it's that much of mismatch!! We will see how Strong reacts in a tough competitive game as a Head Coach.[/QUOTE]




Strong initially was trying to stay within the South and more specifically the SEC for a HC position. ya never know w/these things, but the word was always that those southern schools had a hard time reconciling that he has a white wife. it may not necessarily represent the administrations qualms, but rather the booster's issues, but which ever it was that was always the 'hush hush, wink wink' explanation that came back from insider feelers.

hey, i'm not saying it's guaranteed that the guy will save the world. only that after being an avid observer of UF and some what by default Strong himself, i've seen and heard a guy that seemingly has every thing to be a great coach. one of Zook's largest mistakes was to try to "bottle up" Strong and weigh more heavily on his side of the ball. upon his hiring...and having worked w/Strong at ND....Urban immediately unleashed Strong and the rest is history. The guy has been a huge asset ever since. what more can you ask for?!?

in fact, i would be very happy to have had him as HC of UC. CJ is our man, and i'm optimistic of our chances so i have no issues, all im saying is it's kinda naive to be "surprised" that Strong is having the recruiting success he's having.







mc

[mikep]

Can someone please explain to me why Charlie Strong can step in to a program at the bottom of the league and make such a big splash? Butch Jones in taking over back to back BE champions and he is losing top guys left and right. I just don't get it. It is so frustration to watch.

Stadium, Stadium, Stadium..............

He has a very impressive resume and ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM….. he is a charismatic young black guy. If you do not think that helps in recruiting young black players you are kidding yourself.

[Alpha5]

Easy answer

Not only is Strong a good recruiter, he also has the name power, connections, and charisma that pulls kids to him.

[Alpha5]

He has a very impressive resume and ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM….. he is a charismatic young black guy. If you do not think that helps in recruiting young black players you are kidding yourself.
Not nearly as important as you might think, at the end of the day its about results. Charlie Strong has results he can point to and that far and away overshadows any other factor.

A charismatic guy with nothing to point to won't go very far, ask Karl Dorrell.

[mikep]

Not nearly as important as you might think, at the end of the day its about results. Charlie Strong has results he can point to and that far and away overshadows any other factor.

A charismatic guy with nothing to point to won't go very far, ask Karl Dorrell.

SURE.... That’s why about 95% of black people voted Obama over Hillary even though they have the same views on just about everything. A lot of black people CORRECTLY believe they have not been given a fair shot as D1 head football coaches. It is natural for some kids want to help out a black coach. The opposite is true also. Do you ever notice how many D1 basketball schools in America have some white walk on riding the pine that the (white) crowd goes crazy for every time they make a shoot at the end of a blowout? I guess race has nothing to do with that either?

[Bearcat John 69]

The college football landscape is littered with the proverbial carcasses of "great recruiter-turned-HCs". i'd like to see him win something as Captain of his own ship before i'd let my kid sign on the dotted line; and i don't think that's too much to ask.

ron zook perhaps?

[JohnFrancis]

SURE.... That’s why about 95% of black people voted Obama over Hillary even though they have the same views on just about everything. A lot of black people CORRECTLY believe they have not been given a fair shot as D1 head football coaches. It is natural for some kids want to help out a black coach. The opposite is true also. Do you ever notice how many D1 basketball schools in America have some white walk on riding the pine that the (white) crowd goes crazy for every time they make a shoot at the end of a blowout? I guess race has nothing to do with that either?

Huh? There are plenty of studies (easy to find on the internet with a Google search) that find that young black males feel no loyalty to black coaches because they were raised by their mothers (the fathers were in jail or just skipped out on their responsibilities) - so there is no "cred" as a black coach as a father figure to these young student-athletes.

Why did Mike Garrett select Lane Kiffin and not even bother to interview a black coach at USC - I guess you can only play the race card if the Athletic Director is white, huh?

Gee, all I see on TV are white folks adopting children from Haiti. I guess race has nothing to do with that either.

Back to football. As soon as the new Louisville Coach gets that "deer in the headlights" look as the clock ticks down and the outcome of the game hangs in the balance, fans will realize he's like Les Miles and all the charisma in the world won't help him.

[mikep]

Huh? There are plenty of studies (easy to find on the internet with a Google search) that find that young black males feel no loyalty to black coaches because they were raised by their mothers (the fathers were in jail or just skipped out on their responsibilities) - so there is no "cred" as a black coach as a father figure to these young student-athletes.

Why did Mike Garrett select Lane Kiffin and not even bother to interview a black coach at USC - I guess you can only play the race card if the Athletic Director is white, huh?

Gee, all I see on TV are white folks adopting children from Haiti. I guess race has nothing to do with that either.

Back to football. As soon as the new Louisville Coach gets that "deer in the headlights" look as the clock ticks down and the outcome of the game hangs in the balance, fans will realize he's like Les Miles and all the charisma in the world won't help him.

wow.........

[bearcatd]

Huh? There are plenty of studies (easy to find on the internet with a Google search) that find that young black males feel no loyalty to black coaches because they were raised by their mothers (the fathers were in jail or just skipped out on their responsibilities) - so there is no "cred" as a black coach as a father figure to these young student-athletes.

Why did Mike Garrett select Lane Kiffin and not even bother to interview a black coach at USC - I guess you can only play the race card if the Athletic Director is white, huh?

Gee, all I see on TV are white folks adopting children from Haiti. I guess race has nothing to do with that either.

Back to football. As soon as the new Louisville Coach gets that "deer in the headlights" look as the clock ticks down and the outcome of the game hangs in the balance, fans will realize he's like Les Miles and all the charisma in the world won't help him.

Admins - can you move this to the Sociology forum?

[blackattack]

as i mentioned in another thread. Charlie Strong is the best hire this year by any team. For all of the reasons mentioned above, and the fact that he is the most impressive coach i have ever seen, speak and coach personally. Meet Charlie and you become a believer. I am not suprised by any of his recruiting sucess.

Strong initially was trying to stay within the South and more specifically the SEC for a HC position. ya never know w/these things, but the word was always that those southern schools had a hard time reconciling that he has a white wife. it may not necessarily represent the administrations qualms, but rather the booster's issues, but which ever it was that was always the 'hush hush, wink wink' explanation that came back from insider feelers.

hey, i'm not saying it's guaranteed that the guy will save the world. only that after being an avid observer of UF and some what by default Strong himself, i've seen and heard a guy that seemingly has every thing to be a great coach. one of Zook's largest mistakes was to try to "bottle up" Strong and weigh more heavily on his side of the ball. upon his hiring...and having worked w/Strong at ND....Urban immediately unleashed Strong and the rest is history. The guy has been a huge asset ever since. what more can you ask for?!?

in fact, i would be very happy to have had him as HC of UC. CJ is our man, and i'm optimistic of our chances so i have no issues, all im saying is it's kinda naive to be "surprised" that Strong is having the recruiting success he's having.
mc

Sounds like you're trying to say that Strong has remained an assistant coach all these years because of his interracial marriage. Doubt it. The ONLY place that would hinder him is the deep south........interracial marriage is common on both east & west coasts and accepted in most of the midwest (and even in some southern cities as well like Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, etc).
Also, if Strong was determined to go directly from assistant to an SEC Head Coaching job then that's his problem. There were plenty of HC jobs available the last 5 years outside of the south that would have looked favorably at him. As I already said, we will see how Strong reacts in the heat of battle when it's his job on the line (and not Urban Meyers).

[Alpha5]

SURE.... That’s why about 95% of black people voted Obama over Hillary even though they have the same views on just about everything. A lot of black people CORRECTLY believe they have not been given a fair shot as D1 head football coaches. It is natural for some kids want to help out a black coach. The opposite is true also. Do you ever notice how many D1 basketball schools in America have some white walk on riding the pine that the (white) crowd goes crazy for every time they make a shoot at the end of a blowout? I guess race has nothing to do with that either?
Black people vote overwhelmingly democratic no matter what the race of the candidate is, Al Gore got 90% of the Black vote in 2000.

You are flat out wrong with kid's deciding on schools for that reason. While there's hasn't been many black HC's, they've done no better than their counterparts with regards to recruiting. Kellen Winslow's dad tried to force him to go to Michigan State as a way to support the hiring of minority coaches, guess what Kellen said? There are a lot of different factors when it comes to why kids chose a school, so far there has been no evidence to suggest that the race of the HC has any impact. Miami hasn't recruited any better than they previously did before Randy Shannon became HC, Notre Dame didn't recruit any better than they did before or after Tyrone Willingham, as I mentioned Karl Dorrel didn't do any better as a recruiter, the list goes on (but sadly not too much further).

The fact of the matter is that Charlie Strong is good recruiter and an even better coach. Those two factors are and will always been more important than anything race related when it comes to recruiting.

[Alpha5]

Sounds like you're trying to say that Strong has remained an assistant coach all these years because of his interracial marriage. Doubt it. The ONLY place that would hinder him is the deep south........interracial marriage is common on both east & west coasts and accepted in most of the midwest (and even in some southern cities as well like Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, etc).
Also, if Strong was determined to go directly from assistant to an SEC Head Coaching job then that's his problem. There were plenty of HC jobs available the last 5 years outside of the south that would have looked favorably at him. As I already said, we will see how Strong reacts in the heat of battle when it's his job on the line (and not Urban Meyers).
Not true, Strong wasn't even able to line up any interviews. Tony Dungy has been instrumental in several of the latest hires, actually going around and campaigning for guys. A ridiculous fact in and of itself considering Charlie Strong's resume. There are guys with A LOT thinner and less impressive resumes who have gotten very good jobs.

In college football its a lot more about who you know and how you might get along than anything. Besides the Rooney Rule there is a big reason why there have been a higher percentage of black coaches in the NFL. In the NFL the only person/people you have to impress or answer to are the Owner and possibly the GM. In college football there can be a laundry list of people who have influence over who gets hired. In the NFL if you impress the Owner you're in good shape. In college football you can impress the AD but if the boosters don't sign off it doesn't matter in many cases. There can be 8-10 people involved in a HC search in college, in the NFL there's rarely more than 3 and the owner or GM usually has ultimate say. There isn't the same good ol boy network in the NFL as exists in college. You don't hear buzz phrases like "he wasn't a good fit for this program" in the NFL.

[blackattack]

Not true, Strong wasn't even able to line up any interviews. Tony Dungy has been instrumental in several of the latest hires, actually going around and campaigning for guys. A ridiculous fact in and of itself considering Charlie Strong's resume. There are guys with A LOT thinner and less impressive resumes who have gotten very good jobs.

In college football its a lot more about who you know and how you might get along than anything. Besides the Rooney Rule there is a big reason why there have been a higher percentage of black coaches in the NFL. In the NFL the only person/people you have to impress or answer to are the Owner and possibly the GM. In college football there can be a laundry list of people who have influence over who gets hired. In the NFL if you impress the Owner you're in good shape. In college football you can impress the AD but if the boosters don't sign off it doesn't matter in many cases. There can be 8-10 people involved in a HC search in college, in the NFL there's rarely more than 3 and the owner or GM usually has ultimate say. There isn't the same good ol boy network in the NFL as exists in college. You don't hear buzz phrases like "he wasn't a good fit for this program" in the NFL.

We disagree, but that's OK. I believe if Strong's performance was that impressive as an assistant, then his own head coach (Urban Meyer) would have used his SIGNIFICANT pull and influence with other schools to help Charlie get a HC job.
However, as I said before, if Strong really expected to get a HC job in the SEC as his first HC job, then he screwed up....SEC schools rarely hire an assistant as a HC coach.
No big deal though. Strong gets a chance now to show what he can do as a HEAD COACH. It will be fun to watch.

[mikep]

Black people vote overwhelmingly democratic no matter what the race of the candidate is, Al Gore got 90% of the Black vote in 2000.

You are flat out wrong with kid's deciding on schools for that reason. While there's hasn't been many black HC's, they've done no better than their counterparts with regards to recruiting. Kellen Winslow's dad tried to force him to go to Michigan State as a way to support the hiring of minority coaches, guess what Kellen said? There are a lot of different factors when it comes to why kids chose a school, so far there has been no evidence to suggest that the race of the HC has any impact. Miami hasn't recruited any better than they previously did before Randy Shannon became HC, Notre Dame didn't recruit any better than they did before or after Tyrone Willingham, as I mentioned Karl Dorrel didn't do any better as a recruiter, the list goes on (but sadly not too much further).

The fact of the matter is that Charlie Strong is good recruiter and an even better coach. Those two factors are and will always been more important than anything race related when it comes to recruiting.

You do realize that Hillary Clinton is a democrat right?

[Alpha5]

We disagree, but that's OK. I believe if Strong's performance was that impressive as an assistant, then his own head coach (Urban Meyer) would have used his SIGNIFICANT pull and influence with other schools to help Charlie get a HC job.
However, as I said before, if Strong really expected to get a HC job in the SEC as his first HC job, then he screwed up....SEC schools rarely hire an assistant as a HC coach.
No big deal though. Strong gets a chance now to show what he can do as a HEAD COACH. It will be fun to watch.
What do the following coaches have in common?

Bo Pelini
Dan Mullins
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Will Muschamp
Bret Bielema
Jimbo Fisher
Steve Sarkisian
Gene Chizk

They all either are current HC at BCS schools or they've been offered jobs at BCS schools. They were all coordinators for either the same length of time or a much shorter time than Charlie Strong. They had either the exact same or a much less impressive resume than Charlie Strong before they got their BCS HC job. I don't think most people realize that Charlie Strong will be 50 years old in Aug and has been a coordinator for 10 years. Any other coach with that resume would be the hottest commodity in college football. Will Muschamp has a MUCH thinner resume than Charlie Strong, hot commodity. Steve Sarkisian had a MUCH thinner resume than Charlie Strong, hot commodity. Dan Mullins was on the same staff as Strong, not only did he have a thinner resume, he shared play calling duties with Urban Meyer. Mullins got a job within the SEC, Strong didn't get any interviews.

I`m sorry but the idea that Strong needed to pay his dues while those other didn't is a joke. Why should Strong have had to play by different rules? No one is telling Will Muschamp that he needs to go prove himself in the MAC or the WAC, he's been offered two high profile SEC jobs(Auburn and Tennessee) and has the Texas job lined up. Steve Sarkisian was an offensive coordinator for 2 years before getting the Washington job, before that he was offered a HC job in the NFL while being a QB coach (granted it was by the crazed loon known as Al Davis but still).

Meanwhile during the same time period Charlie Strong can't get as much as an interview much less a job offer at a BCS school.

[Alpha5]

You do realize that Hillary Clinton is a democrat right?
Well if you're going to go there, at the start of the election season Hillary Clinton had a higher percentage of support from African-Americans than Barack Obama did. In October of 2007 Clinton held a 57 to 33 point lead over Obama with black voters.

You really don't want to go down this road, I`m a grad student in the political science department at UC.

[ZCat]

What do the following coaches have in common?

Bo Pelini
Dan Mullins
Bob Stoops
Mark Richt
Will Muschamp
Bret Bielema
Jimbo Fisher
Steve Sarkisian
Gene Chizk

They all either are current HC at BCS schools or they've been offered jobs at BCS schools. They were all coordinators for either the same length of time or a much shorter time than Charlie Strong. They had either the exact same or a much less impressive resume than Charlie Strong before they got their BCS HC job. I don't think most people realize that Charlie Strong will be 50 years old in Aug and has been a coordinator for 10 years. Any other coach with that resume would be the hottest commodity in college football. Will Muschamp has a MUCH thinner resume than Charlie Strong, hot commodity. Steve Sarkisian had a MUCH thinner resume than Charlie Strong, hot commodity. Dan Mullins was on the same staff as Strong, not only did he have a thinner resume, he shared play calling duties with Urban Meyer. Mullins got a job within the SEC, Strong didn't get any interviews.

I`m sorry but the idea that Strong needed to pay his dues while those other didn't is a joke. Why should Strong have had to play by different rules? No one is telling Will Muschamp that he needs to go prove himself in the MAC or the WAC, he's been offered two high profile SEC jobs(Auburn and Tennessee) and has the Texas job lined up. Steve Sarkisian was an offensive coordinator for 2 years before getting the Washington job, before that he was offered a HC job in the NFL while being a QB coach (granted it was by the crazed loon known as Al Davis but still).

Meanwhile during the same time period Charlie Strong can't get as much as an interview much less a job offer at a BCS school.

Good post, facts to back it up. He clearly has a strong resume. I much preferred someone with HC experience, but now that I read his resume, I wouldn't have minded him at all. Now, let's kick his butt!

[bearcatfan80]

Who cares about Charlie freaking Strong. Geez

[BearcatAlum1]

I could give a $hit less about Charlie Strong, racial arguments and everything else in between.

He is recruiting strong and is on the verge of signing a few of our most cherished recruits.

For this reason, I don't like him. I hope he loses every game and hope we beat U of L by 100 every time.

P.S. I love it when people take arguments personally because they make themselves sound like fools.

[Alpha5]

Who cares about Charlie freaking Strong. Geez
I care, he's the new kid on the block and a potential threat to the well being of UC dominance of this conference.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

[oldcat48]

It's always amazing to me that no one thinks maybe Strong didn't get a head coaching job before because he just didn't interview well? It's got to be hard to be black and always wonder why you didn't get the job, because the first thing you'd suspect is racism (which can be valid).

On the other hand, what if you just are screwing up the process? Saying the wrong things in interviews? Coming across as quiet when they need a public face? You can say college searches look for the good old boy, but maybe they're just looking for a personality type, not a color. The NFL doesn't need you to go out to all the public events and you certainly don't have to ask for money. Urban Meyer or any other top coach in the US is most definitely meeting with donors on a regular basis, especially the football donors.

I'm open to thoughts on this.

[marcuscan]

It's always amazing to me that no one thinks maybe Strong didn't get a head coaching job before because he just didn't interview well? It's got to be hard to be black and always wonder why you didn't get the job, because the first thing you'd suspect is racism (which can be valid).

On the other hand, what if you just are screwing up the process? Saying the wrong things in interviews? Coming across as quiet when they need a public face? You can say college searches look for the good old boy, but maybe they're just looking for a personality type, not a color. The NFL doesn't need you to go out to all the public events and you certainly don't have to ask for money. Urban Meyer or any other top coach in the US is most definitely meeting with donors on a regular basis, especially the football donors.

I'm open to thoughts on this.

Strong wanted to coach in the South with a BCS school. for these gigs, he didn't even get an interview.

no way of screwing up an interview you can't even secure.








mc

[mikep]

You really don't want to go down this road, I`m a grad student in the political science department at UC.

They you should be able to tell me why Obama got overwhelming support over Clinton from blacks even though they have almost identical beliefs? I don’t care what some pre election poll said, why did they vote for him? If you pull out blacks the vote was split down the middle. I will give you a hint, only one of the canidates was black.


PS, good luck getting a job with that joke degree, was your undergrad degree in Tap Dancing? It will help you in the real world just as much.

[Lobot]

This thread is on a slippery slope. Discuss the topic but please refrain from any racist remarks and national politics. Any racist remark, implied or otherwise, made in this thread will result in a permanent ban.

[Thegreatone]

They you should be able to tell me why Obama got overwhelming support over Clinton from blacks even though they have almost identical beliefs? I don’t care what some pre election poll said, why did they vote for him? If you pull out blacks the vote was split down the middle. I will give you a hint, only one of the canidates was black.


PS, good luck getting a job with that joke degree, was your undergrad degree in Tap Dancing? It will help you in the real world just as much.

BWWWYAAAA!!!

Please dont go down this road.

Please? I do not care what you think about politics. Go to another website and debate that like most of us do.

[Thegreatone]

Can we close this thread? Maybe I should give it a push....

Second thought... I like being a member here.