Whats wrong with Deonta Vaughn

[dgill2424]

I have watched UC play this year but I havent been able to watch Vaughn off the ball.

Is it that his shot just isnt falling? Is he afraid to shoot? Do they run any set plays for him?

I had a feeling this was going to happen when we recruited Lance. Im not taking anything away from Lance because he is a big time player.

However, I thought that bringing in a high scoring two guard would take away scoring opportunities for Vaughn and disrupt the team chemistry. I even remember Stephenson quoted as being surprised that UC recruited him because of the returning players.

I hope whatever it is they either FORCE Vaughn to shoot more or they run more set plays for him because we will not go far without him returning to his old form.

[Grimdogg]

Team's are playing Vaughn much more physically this year. That's taking him out of his comfort zone and he's rushing his shots too much. Also Vaughn has all but disappeared on defense lately which definitely isn't helping his confidence on the other end of the court. Some people on here are also claiming there may be other non-basketball related issues with him right now but I will not speculate or agree on that as that is his personal business and not mine or anyone else's. I just hope he can get out of whatever funk he is in and finish his UC career strong.

[Thegreatone]

His arms are too big. No great shooters have the misle launchers of arms Deonta has.

[TheLivingLegend]

Michael Redd... 39 career from 3pt range. 85 from the line.

[Billy Don]

I have watched UC play this year but I havent been able to watch Vaughn off the ball.

Is it that his shot just isnt falling? Is he afraid to shoot? Do they run any set plays for him?

I had a feeling this was going to happen when we recruited Lance. Im not taking anything away from Lance because he is a big time player.

However, I thought that bringing in a high scoring two guard would take away scoring opportunities for Vaughn and disrupt the team chemistry. I even remember Stephenson quoted as being surprised that UC recruited him because of the returning players.

I hope whatever it is they either FORCE Vaughn to shoot more or they run more set plays for him because we will not go far without him returning to his old form.

My opinion since early in the season, with being benched, not starting, playing point guard or not, watching Lance do his thing and 40 other things Mick has been telling Vaughn to do and not to do, has got Vaughn's head so full of crap he doesn't know if he's coming or going. In short my opinion is Vaughns problems is all because of Mick. I see no other reason for an experienced senior to regress like he has. It's obivious.

[Thegreatone]

Michael Redd... 39 career from 3pt range. 85 from the line.

No Deonta Vaughn:confused::confused:

You been drinkin?:D

[TheLivingLegend]

No great shooters have the misle launchers of arms Deonta has.

Michael Redd, throws ur myth in the dirt.

[BearcatAlum1]

Michael Redd and I go way back. We played in the same summer league for a few years (technically, he played in the league for many years and I played one year).

Redd does not have guns like DV. DV can bend iron rods used to reinforce concrete. Redd cannot even break a toothpick.

[PakMan]

Michael Redd, throws ur myth in the dirt.

Terrible comparison. Not even close.

[dgill2424]

My opinion since early in the season, with being benched, not starting, playing point guard or not, watching Lance do his thing and 40 other things Mick has been telling Vaughn to do and not to do, has got Vaughn's head so full of crap he doesn't know if he's coming or going. In short my opinion is Vaughns problems is all because of Mick. I see no other reason for an experienced senior to regress like he has. It's obivious.


I actually like Mick but Im afraid he totally blew the whole Vaughn/Stephenson relationship. I think this is why we havent reached our potential. Its sad because Mick is a much better coach than whats being displayed this year. I hope he learns a lesson from how he handled this season.

[LongTimer]

His arms are too big. No great shooters have the misle launchers of arms Deonta has.

So now we can add the strength and conditioning program to the list of things Mick is mis-managing? It apparently is the reason why nobody can shoot!

[PakMan]

Vaughn's issues have everything to do with his inadequacies as a basketball player...he's too short to be an effective 2, not particularly quick, can't get his own shot, and not a great defender. In previous years, this team was HIS. So all he focused on was scoring, since that is what was lacking. Now that he's surrounded by more talented players, he is more conscientious of his shortcomings, and as a result, tends to defer to those "more talented" players, aka Lance. While his coach and his teammates still look at him as the leader of his team, he has shirked that responsibility because he believes it is better for the team.

In short, less talented people thrive in situations where they are absolutely NEEDED, and cower when they feel less needed and more dispensible.

[dgill2424]

Vaughn's issues have everything to do with his inadequacies as a basketball player...he's too short to be an effective 2, not particularly quick, can't get his own shot, and not a great defender. In previous years, this team was HIS. So all he focused on was scoring, since that is what was lacking. Now that he's surrounded by more talented players, he is more conscientious of his shortcomings, and as a result, tends to defer to those "more talented" players, aka Lance. While his coach and his teammates still look at him as the leader of his team, he has shirked that responsibility because he believes it is better for the team.

In short, less talented people thrive in situations where they are absolutely NEEDED, and cower when they feel less needed and more dispensible.

One name....Steve Logan!

[weez1414]

I have watched UC play this year but I havent been able to watch Vaughn off the ball.

Is it that his shot just isnt falling? Is he afraid to shoot? Do they run any set plays for him?

I had a feeling this was going to happen when we recruited Lance. Im not taking anything away from Lance because he is a big time player.

However, I thought that bringing in a high scoring two guard would take away scoring opportunities for Vaughn and disrupt the team chemistry. I even remember Stephenson quoted as being surprised that UC recruited him because of the returning players.

I hope whatever it is they either FORCE Vaughn to shoot more or they run more set plays for him because we will not go far without him returning to his old form.

THEY DEFINATELY DONT RUN SET PLAYS! AND HE'S DEFINATELY NOT AFRAID TO SHOOT.

[BasketBySteveLogan]

I agree with PakMan...

Deonta seems like he is just used-up from those previous 3 years.. just doesnt have anything left.

Also, his problem is that when his shot isnt falling, he doesnt consistently go to the rim strong and get fouled.

[PakMan]

One name....Steve Logan!

Steve Logan could get his own shot at any time, was a FAR better shooter, especially off the dribble, and didn't play under the conditions Deonta has.

[Big B]

I noticed the last couple of games, it just looks like he's just trying not to get hurt. Very little movement, when the balls thrown in from out of bounds if he doesn't get it he just disappears.
Also notice that every time Toyloy touched the ball on offense he took a shot, it didn't matter where he was. He took it once from the top of the key, he was fouled and went to the line. On defense he's just reaching not moving his feet.
IMO the seniors maybe just going threw the motions and ready to move on.

[Helicopter]

DV can bend iron rods used to reinforce concrete.

you mean rebar? and its steel not iron

[BearcatLaw]

I actually like Mick but Im afraid he totally blew the whole Vaughn/Stephenson relationship. I think this is why we havent reached our potential. Its sad because Mick is a much better coach than whats being displayed this year. I hope he learns a lesson from how he handled this season.

Strongly disagree with this assertion. You are what your coaching record indicates. However, this has been beaten to death in other threads...so I'll refrain from additional commentary.

[weez1414]

1. He shoots 63% of his shots from 3, He thinks he is Field Williams.

2. He's not hitting them.

NUFF SAID YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE DEFENSE HONEST AND HE IS NOT.

[BearcatAlum1]

you mean rebar? and its steel not iron

Hahaha. Yep, that would be the stuff.

You know what I meant though, which is half the battle.

[Grimdogg]

So now we can't shoot because are guys have too much upper body strength? What's the next thing people are going to bash Mick on? Seriously? Now I've heard from some of you that he's too short, his players have too much upper body strength to shoot properly, he's obviously not practicing or teaching players how to shoot free throws, he has created discourse in the team by giving players playing time, the players don't respect him so they don't run his plays, etc., etc. So really what's the next gripe?

[BearcatAlum1]

So now we can't shoot because are guys have too much upper body strength? What's the next thing people are going to bash Mick on? Seriously? Now I've heard from some of you that he's too short, his players have too much upper body strength to shoot properly, he's obviously not practicing or teaching players how to shoot free throws, he has created discourse in the team by giving players playing time, the players don't respect him so they don't run his plays, etc., etc. So really what's the next gripe?

I do not think getting too muscular messes with your shot. DV isn't that big. Now, someone that is a bodybuilder will have problems.

DV's shooting problems stem from confidence, not physique.

[BearcatLaw]

So now we can't shoot because are guys have too much upper body strength? What's the next thing people are going to bash Mick on? Seriously? Now I've heard from some of you that he's too short, his players have too much upper body strength to shoot properly, he's obviously not practicing or teaching players how to shoot free throws, he has created discourse in the team by giving players playing time, the players don't respect him so they don't run his plays, etc., etc. So really what's the next gripe?

Not winning enough games. The end.

[levydl]

His arms are too big. No great shooters have the misle launchers of arms Deonta has.

Our own Darnell Burton was pretty jacked.

[Bearcat_NTS]

vaughn was never really any good, an open gym all star but not much else.

[anbuc88]

vaughn was never really any good, an open gym all star but not much else.

And the BE isn't really very good, as he was an all BE player. An open gym league, really, and not much else. Feel free to lend your expert analysis on other players in the BE. LOL

[MDW79]

vaughn was never really any good, an open gym all star but not much else.

You don't get that high up the scoring chart without being good.

[CincinnatiUSC]

You don't go from a first team Big East selection as a sophomore to playing this bad as a senior without some poor coaching. It's not complicated.

[anbuc88]

You don't go from a first team Big East selection as a sophomore to playing this bad as a senior without some poor coaching. It's not complicated.

He must have had great coaching to have been 1st team BE selection as a sophmore. Wish we still had that coach leading our team. Then again, maybe it's the player's individual performance that garners the accolades that he recieves. It's not complicated.

[Ding Chavez]

Good article from cnati with lots of quotes from Mick on Deonta's struggles

http://cnati.com/blogs/paul/2010/02/bearcats-deonta-nalysis.php

[binturong07]

You don't go from a first team Big East selection as a sophomore to playing this bad as a senior without some poor coaching. It's not complicated.

Clearly there can be only one possible cause for his problems.

Try going to your boss at work and telling him its his problem that your performance is slipping.

[CincinnatiUSC]

Here are stats of every other player that made the Big East First team in the past two years. Can you point out the statistical anomaly?


2009:

Hasheem Thabeet, Connecticut, C, Jr., 7-3, 263, Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 CONN 24.6 6.2 6.4 .4 1.6 .24 .2 3.8 2.6 .554 .513 .000 1.60
2007-2008 CONN 31.0 10.5 7.9 .4 1.8 .21 .3 4.5 2.6 .603 .698 .000 1.83
2008-2009 CONN 31.8 13.6 10.8 .5 1.9 .25 .6 4.2 2.5 .640 .627 .000 1.76


Terrence Williams, Louisville, F, Sr., 6-6, 210, Seattle, Wash.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 LOU 25.1 8.4 4.7 2.1 1.7 1.23 1.0 .3 1.8 .391 .612 .310 1.05
2006-2007 LOU 33.0 12.4 7.0 3.8 2.4 1.59 1.3 .7 2.1 .367 .604 .261 .98
2007-2008 LOU 35.9 11.1 7.2 4.5 2.9 1.53 1.3 .8 1.9 .411 .571 .340 1.13
2008-2009 LOU 34.2 12.5 8.6 5.0 2.3 2.15 2.3 .8 1.7 .431 .581 .385 1.18


Jerel McNeal, Marquette, G, Sr., 6-3, 200 Chicago, Ill.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 MARQ 27.5 11.1 4.5 2.7 3.8 .73 2.1 .5 2.5 .442 .750 .283 1.10
2006-2007 MARQ 30.2 14.7 4.8 3.8 4.1 .92 2.6 .6 3.5 .417 .682 .313 1.15
2007-2008 MARQ 30.2 14.9 4.9 3.5 2.8 1.27 2.2 .4 3.1 .456 .702 .304 1.21
2008-2009 MARQ 35.0 19.8 4.5 3.9 2.9 1.33 2.0 .6 2.5 .442 .738 .398 1.30


Luke Harangody, Notre Dame, F, Jr., 6-8, 251, Schererville, Ind.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 ND 20.6 11.2 6.2 1.2 1.2 .97 .9 .5 2.6 .459 .816 .000 1.24
2007-2008 ND 29.0 20.4 10.6 1.7 2.3 .72 .8 .9 2.6 .500 .763 .333 1.30
2008-2009 ND 34.2 23.3 11.8 2.1 1.8 1.13 .9 .9 2.3 .459 .777 .368 1.21
2009-2010 ND 35.3 24.1 10.0 1.8 2.0 .88 .5 .8 2.3 .485 .787 .303 1.30


DeJuan Blair, Pittsburgh, C, So., 6-7, 265, Pittsburgh, Pa.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2007-2008 PITT 26.0 11.6 9.1 .9 1.9 .49 1.7 1.1 2.9 .537 .624 .000 1.37
2008-2009 PITT 27.3 15.7 12.3 1.2 1.3 .95 1.5 1.0 2.7 .593 .605 .000 1.44


Sam Young, Pittsburgh, F, Sr., 6-6, 215, Clinton, Md.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 PITT 20.4 7.9 4.4 .8 1.5 .56 .7 .6 1.4 .521 .693 .190 1.39
2006-2007 PITT 17.2 7.2 3.0 .7 1.1 .60 .6 .5 1.6 .458 .597 .310 1.18
2007-2008 PITT 32.1 18.1 6.3 1.2 2.4 .52 1.1 1.1 2.0 .503 .690 .383 1.32
2008-2009 PITT 31.8 19.2 6.3 1.1 2.4 .45 1.0 .8 1.7 .502 .740 .372 1.33


2008:
Deonta Vaughn, Cincinnati, So., 6-1, 195, Indianapolis, Ind.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 CIN 33.0 14.5 3.4 3.5 2.4 1.45 1.8 .0 2.7 .373 .753 .292 1.07
2007-2008 CIN 33.4 17.3 2.9 4.2 3.2 1.32 1.0 .1 2.8 .436 .789 .398 1.36
2008-2009 CIN 35.8 15.3 4.0 4.7 3.3 1.39 1.3 .0 2.6 .388 .808 .338 1.22
2009-2010 CIN 29.9 11.2 3.5 3.5 2.3 1.54 1.2 .1 2.3 .389 .795 .327 1.24


Jeff Adrien, Connecticut, Jr., 6-7, 243, Brookline, Mass.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 CONN 16.5 6.5 5.0 .5 .8 .58 .4 .8 1.3 .610 .641 .000 1.59
2006-2007 CONN 33.1 13.1 9.7 .9 2.5 .38 .9 1.4 1.9 .497 .586 .000 1.30
2007-2008 CONN 33.8 14.8 9.1 1.3 2.7 .47 .5 1.2 1.9 .501 .616 .500 1.42
2008-2009 CONN 34.6 13.6 9.9 1.7 1.8 .92 .5 1.2 2.0 .505 .597 .000 1.31


*A.J. Price, Connecticut, Jr., 6-2, 187, Amityville, N.Y.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 Did not play.
2006-2007 CONN 23.9 9.4 3.0 3.6 2.0 1.79 1.2 .1 1.3 .387 .690 .273 1.14
2007-2008 CONN 32.1 14.5 3.5 5.8 2.4 2.46 1.3 .1 1.6 .437 .746 .369 1.31
2008-2009 CONN 31.8 14.7 3.5 4.7 2.7 1.74 .7 .0 1.3 .408 .721 .402 1.24


*Roy Hibbert, Georgetown, Sr., 7-2, 278, Adelphi, Md.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2004-2005 GTWN 15.8 5.1 3.5 .9 1.8 .52 .3 1.3 2.3 .469 .662 .000 1.27
2005-2006 GTWN 24.0 11.6 6.9 1.3 1.4 .98 .2 1.6 2.1 .590 .723 .000 1.52
2006-2007 GTWN 26.4 12.9 6.9 1.1 1.2 .85 .5 2.4 2.8 .671 .686 .000 1.72
2007-2008 GTWN 26.3 13.4 6.4 1.9 1.7 1.11 .5 2.2 2.7 .609 .646 1.000 1.54


*David Padgett, Louisville, Sr., 6-11, 245, Reno, Nev.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2003-2004 KU 19.2 6.5 4.5 1.1 1.6 .66 .4 1.4 3.3 .531 .681 .000 1.26
2004-2005 Did not play.
2005-2006 LOU 26.8 11.8 6.1 2.0 2.3 .89 .5 1.5 2.9 .580 .815 .000 1.51
2006-2007 LOU 24.5 9.5 5.6 1.5 .9 1.66 .4 1.5 3.0 .597 .823 .000 1.69
2007-2008 LOU 23.5 11.2 4.8 2.0 1.5 1.30 .4 1.1 2.7 .667 .660 .000 1.73


*Luke Harangody, Notre Dame, So., 6-8, 251, Schererville, Ind.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 ND 20.6 11.2 6.2 1.2 1.2 .97 .9 .5 2.6 .459 .816 .000 1.24
2007-2008 ND 29.0 20.4 10.6 1.7 2.3 .72 .8 .9 2.6 .500 .763 .333 1.30
2008-2009 ND 34.2 23.3 11.8 2.1 1.8 1.13 .9 .9 2.3 .459 .777 .368 1.21
2009-2010 ND 35.3 24.1 10.0 1.8 2.0 .88 .5 .8 2.3 .485 .787 .303 1.30


Kyle McAlarney, Notre Dame, Jr., 6-0, 196, Staten Island, N.Y.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 ND 22.4 6.6 1.7 2.5 1.6 1.53 .6 .0 1.3 .466 .909 .430 1.47
2006-2007 ND 29.8 10.3 2.3 5.4 2.2 2.50 1.1 .0 .5 .488 .824 .464 1.44
2007-2008 ND 35.7 15.1 2.1 3.5 2.0 1.74 .8 .0 1.0 .436 .821 .441 1.30
2008-2009 ND 36.9 15.0 2.6 3.4 1.9 1.82 .6 .1 1.4 .405 .884 .423 1.23


Sam Young, Pittsburgh, Jr., 6-6, 215, Clinton, Md.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 PITT 20.4 7.9 4.4 .8 1.5 .56 .7 .6 1.4 .521 .693 .190 1.39
2006-2007 PITT 17.2 7.2 3.0 .7 1.1 .60 .6 .5 1.6 .458 .597 .310 1.18
2007-2008 PITT 32.1 18.1 6.3 1.2 2.4 .52 1.1 1.1 2.0 .503 .690 .383 1.32
2008-2009 PITT 31.8 19.2 6.3 1.1 2.4 .45 1.0 .8 1.7 .502 .740 .372 1.33


Brian Laing, Seton Hall, Sr., 6-5, 215, Bronx, N.Y.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2004-2005 HALL 9.9 2.8 1.3 .5 .4 1.10 .3 .0 .9 .418 .375 .417 .96
2005-2006 HALL 23.1 5.8 3.6 1.5 1.5 .98 .9 .4 1.8 .385 .705 .313 1.01
2006-2007 HALL 36.3 16.5 6.7 2.1 2.0 1.02 1.7 .5 2.6 .463 .761 .318 1.19
2007-2008 HALL 38.3 18.6 6.9 2.0 2.4 .81 1.6 .5 2.8 .455 .803 .374 1.24


Kentrell Gransberry, USF, Sr., 6-9, 270, Baton Rouge, La.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2003-2004 Did not play.
2004-2005 Did not play.
2005-2006 Did not play.
2006-2007 USF 28.5 15.6 11.4 1.1 1.6 .68 .7 .5 3.6 .577 .557 .000 1.50
2007-2008 USF 31.8 16.0 10.8 1.5 2.3 .67 .6 1.4 2.8 .518 .514 .000 1.36


Joe Alexander, West Virginia, Jr., 6-8, 230, Mt. Airy, Md.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-2006 WVU 3.6 1.3 .7 .2 .3 .67 .1 .7 .4 .500 .625 .000 1.63
2006-2007 WVU 25.0 10.3 4.3 1.9 1.8 1.09 .6 1.1 2.1 .425 .636 .305 1.09
2007-2008 WVU 31.6 16.9 6.4 2.4 2.2 1.10 .7 1.5 2.9 .462 .814 .268 1.28

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Deonta isn't totally blameless as everyone is ultimately responsible for their own individual actions. But you know as well as I do that playing high level sports is a function of skill, confidence, and in team sports- cohesiveness. It's not a stretch to say that Mick and his staff haven't found a way to build confidence or cohesiveness the past two years.

[binturong07]

2008:
Deonta Vaughn, Cincinnati, So., 6-1, 195, Indianapolis, Ind.
SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 CIN 33.0 14.5 3.4 3.5 2.4 1.45 1.8 .0 2.7 .373 .753 .292 1.07
2007-2008 CIN 33.4 17.3 2.9 4.2 3.2 1.32 1.0 .1 2.8 .436 .789 .398 1.36
2008-2009 CIN 35.8 15.3 4.0 4.7 3.3 1.39 1.3 .0 2.6 .388 .808 .338 1.22
2009-2010 CIN 29.9 11.2 3.5 3.5 2.3 1.54 1.2 .1 2.3 .389 .795 .327 1.24



Thats a lot of stats to go through...agreed, coaching certainly does have some influence; he's not getting as many good looks, and cronin is utilizing him as much in the offense. But there are some other reasons than just coaching.

1. He was playing the 1 position in 2007, now for the most part he's playing the 2 (although he does take the ball up sometimes).

2. This years team is simply better. He doesnt need to take as many shots, which explains why his ppg is down.
Shots taken per game
Year - FG att.pg 3point att. pg
2006 - 13.6 7.2
2007 - 12.8 7.6
2008 - 12.5 7.5
2009 - 9.0 5.6

He is taking 3 less shots a game, and two less 3's. This has to account for some of the lost prodcutvity.

3. His FT%, FG%, 3P% were all much higher in 2007 than his last two years. Maybe the last two years were not the abnormality, maybe his 2007 year was.