If Bishop is out, new guy in?

[bearcat_cd]

Looking in the recruiting section it still seems we have 1 or 2 players on the radar for 2010. Do you think that if Mick is able to get a recruit that he will just let go of Bishop? Also, if he is unable to get a recruit will Bishop be asked back? I'm not sure what to make of this but if they can shoot and make an instant impact then I'm definitely for it. What do you think?

[BearcatAlum1]

Good topic, but I don't think any of us have any answers.

We're hosting the #1 Juco in the country for a visit on 4/17/10. He is 6'8" 240lbs and happens to be a scoring PF. He is an instant starter.

Deonte Burton, a 6'1" 185lb "do it all" guard out of LA is also considering Cincy, UCLA and USC (I think). 40" vertical, very good defender and can shoot it from deep and free throw line. If you haven't seen any clips of this kid, check out his thread on the recruiting forum.

Both of these players would get immediate playing time.

[CincyEngGrad02]

Teague!

....

[BearcatAlum1]

Teague!

....

Not if all you Debbie Downers convince his family that UC will crumble in a year if we don't fire Mick and bring in John Wooden.

[cincycpaw]

Not if all you Debbie Downers convince his family that UC will crumble in a year if we don't fire Mick and bring in John Wooden.

Nice work. Already laying the groundwork to blame internet postings if Mick fails to land top talent.

[nolte50uc]

i would think that if bishop 'serves his time,' he will get the priority. obviously, it all depends on what exactly he did, but unless it's something that can't be fixed, i would think that he's the man.

[jlr1523]

Teague is 2011 isn't he?

[bearcattg]

Not if all you Debbie Downers convince his family that UC will crumble in a year if we don't fire Mick and bring in John Wooden.

No offense, but I think you think a little to highly of yourself. I don't think many recruits care what you, I, or anyone on any message board has to say about them. I'm also guessing Teague has no idea about Bearcatnews.

[BearcatAlum1]

Nice work. Already laying the groundwork to blame internet postings if Mick fails to land top talent.

I think internet postings can hurt recruiting for any program.

I will not say that internet postings hurt us in our chances of landing Teague.

[Lobot]

No offense, but I think you think a little to highly of yourself. I don't think many recruits care what you, I, or anyone on any message board has to say about them. I'm also guessing Teague has no idea about Bearcatnews.

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.

[BearcatAlum1]

No offense, but I think you think a little to highly of yourself. I don't think many recruits care what you, I, or anyone on any message board has to say about them. I'm also guessing Teague has no idea about Bearcatnews.

Hahaha. None taken.........I guess? :confused:

I agree 100% that many recruits don't care what you, I, or anyone on a message board has to say about them.

I think recruits do check internet message boards. In fact, I'm certain that recruits check message boards, youtube, etc.

I'm guessing that MT might not have heard of BCN, but it wouldn't suprise me if his father was an occasional visitor.

I do think that recruits may check a message board and see what kind of stuff is being said about the program, coaches, etc.

Does it matter what a bunch of irrational fans say? Maybe.

I'm confident that mature recruits, with the help of their mature parents, make mature decisions. That being said, I do not think many recruits let the internet message boards get to them. However, these kids are not idiots and they know how to punch some keywords into the search bar.

All people react differently to things they read. Sometimes I wish this internet fad would go away....

[BearcatLaw]

Not if all you Debbie Downers convince his family that UC will crumble in a year if we don't fire Mick and bring in John Wooden.

Obviously, some of us need to tone it down a bit on the general fire Mick talk. I have accepted he will be back next year and so should everyone else. But you can't expect everyone to make only positive threads/posts constantly commending our program...ignoring the recent deficiencies of our team and coaching staff. This website is for everyone's point of view...not just those that want to discuss how great Mick is, how awesome we are going to be next year, and how our program is so close to being relevant again...despite the recent results on the court. Not everyone shares this opinion. And to continually chastise the people that disagree with these opinions classifying them as "haters" claiming that they are "spewing venom" and "hurting our program" and are not really fans at all is awful. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion...negative or positive.

Also, to assume that every recruit and their families read this website religiously and makes it a major factor in their decision to attend UC is absurd. And we can't expect everyone to censure their critical comments simply due to this remote possibility. Also, what would the conversation be like if there were no contradicting, critical, or negative comments?

Poster 1: Wow, we really played well last night. Mick is an awesome coach!
Poster 2: Man, you're right. Mick really knows how to push those buttons.
Poster 3: I agree. And our team's offensive production is superb.
Poster 4: Yes, we're awesome all around! 19 wins this year = Final Four for sure next year!

Do we need to be more cordial/respectful on here with our posts? Yes. But IMO asking everyone to quell their negative/critical comments is just wrong and really defeats the entire purpose of this website.

[cincycpaw]

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.

Sure it is. What are you smoking?

[cincycpaw]

Hahaha. None taken.........I guess? :confused:

I agree 100% that many recruits don't care what you, I, or anyone on a message board has to say about them.

I think recruits do check internet message boards. In fact, I'm certain that recruits check message boards, youtube, etc.

I'm guessing that MT might not have heard of BCN, but it wouldn't suprise me if his father was an occasional visitor.

I do think that recruits may check a message board and see what kind of stuff is being said about the program, coaches, etc.

Does it matter what a bunch of irrational fans say? Maybe.

I'm confident that mature recruits, with the help of their mature parents, make mature decisions. That being said, I do not think many recruits let the internet message boards get to them. However, these kids are not idiots and they know how to punch some keywords into the search bar.

All people react differently to things they read. Sometimes I wish this internet fad would go away....

Who exactly are the irrational fans?

[cincycpaw]

Back to the point of the thread...

I hope we land this JC stud...but only if we have 2 open schollys to fill and we also land a shooter.

[milfordcats]

Who exactly are the irrational fans?

Fans that post the same negative things over and over again? There is a difference between saying one time in a thread that Mick sucks and saying multiple times in a thread that Mick sucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you think your right doesn't mean that you should post it over and over again in the same thread/topic.

[BearcatAlum1]

Obviously, some of us need to tone it down a bit on the general fire Mick talk. I have accepted he will be back next year and so should everyone else. But you can't expect everyone to make only positive threads/posts constantly commending our program...ignoring the recent deficiencies of our team and coaching staff. This website is for everyone's point of view...not just those that want to discuss how great Mick is, how awesome we are going to be next year, and how our program is so close to being relevant again...despite the recent results on the court. Not everyone shares this opinion. And to continually chastise the people that disagree with these opinions classifying them as "haters" claiming that they are "spewing venom" and "hurting our program" and are not really fans at all is awful. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion...negative or positive.

Also, to assume that every recruit and their families read this website religiously and makes it a major factor in their decision to attend UC is absurd. And we can't expect everyone to censure their critical comments simply due to this remote possibility. Also, what would the conversation be like if there were no contradicting, critical, or negative comments?

Poster 1: Wow, we really played well last night. Mick is an awesome coach!
Poster 2: Man, you're right. Mick really knows how to push those buttons.
Poster 3: I agree. And our team's offensive production is superb.
Poster 4: Yes, we're awesome all around! 19 wins this year = Final Four for sure next year!

Do we need to be more cordial/respectful on here with our posts? Yes. But IMO asking everyone to quell their negative/critical comments is just wrong and really defeats the entire purpose of this website.

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Mick will be here next year. I'd venture to guess that he'll be here longer than that.

Most will agree that the tone of this board has gone overboard with the anti-Mick rhetoric.

Personally, this has severely detracted from the overall enjoyment of this board, IMO.

I look forward to an offseason of optimism.

[BearcatAlum1]

Fans that post the same negative things over and over again? There is a difference between saying one time in a thread that Mick sucks and saying multiple times in a thread that Mick sucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you think your right doesn't mean that you should post it over and over again in the same thread/topic.

Thank you.

"Those that yell loudest the longest tend to do that for a reason.......no one is listening."

-Me (the one who thinks highly of himself.........not to be confused with The_One or TheGreatOne)

[Thegreatone]

BCN clowns are killin our recruitin.

[cincycpaw]

Fans that post the same negative things over and over again? There is a difference between saying one time in a thread that Mick sucks and saying multiple times in a thread that Mick sucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you think your right doesn't mean that you should post it over and over again in the same thread/topic.

Right, so people you disagree with. I got it.

Again..back to the thread...any more news about kids leaving? Biggie? LD? Bishop??

[BearcatAlum1]

Right, so people you disagree with. I got it.

Again..back to the thread...any more news about kids leaving? Biggie? LD? Bishop??

I think it is funny that you post twice above completley off the topic of the thread then try to put the thread back on topic.

Ricardo Ratliffe is a stud. Period.

Repetitive, obsessive, compulsive criticism of our own program doesn't help anything.

[cincycpaw]

I think it is funny that you post twice above completley off the topic of the thread then try to put the thread back on topic.

Ricardo Ratliffe is a stud. Period.

Repetitive, obsessive, compulsive criticism of our own program doesn't help anything.

Yep, I helped get it off topic, I was trying to make amends.

But stop with the lectures. Must be thin air up there.

[milfordcats]

Right, so people you disagree with. I got it.

Again..back to the thread...any more news about kids leaving? Biggie? LD? Bishop??

On the same note...people who post "Mick is the savior" 50 times in a thread shouldn't be doing that either...I just used the "Mick sucks" example as it is more prevalent on this board.

[BearcatLaw]

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Mick will be here next year. I'd venture to guess that he'll be here longer than that.

Most will agree that the tone of this board has gone overboard with the anti-Mick rhetoric.

Personally, this has severely detracted from the overall enjoyment of this board, IMO.

I look forward to an offseason of optimism.

Agreed. But it is becoming increasingly difficult to be so optimistic considering recent results and general circumstances surrounding our program. Optimism has to be based on some substance.

[BearcatAlum1]

Yep, I helped get it off topic, I was trying to make amends.

But stop with the lectures. Must be thin air up there.

Just didn't want anyone to be hypocritical. I think it's fair to hold everyone to the same standard.

There will be room made if Ratliffe and Burton jump on board.

[BearcatAlum1]

Agreed. But it is becoming increasingly difficult to be so optimistic considering recent results and general circumstances surrounding our program. Optimism has to be based on some substance.

Here we go again.

You'll cite the track record of results.

I'll dismiss the first two seasons.

You'll say we didn't have a better BE record this year.

I'll say we played better and had more wins.

You'll say we had more losses.

I'll say we had better wins.

You'll say we had bad losses or didn't play anyone.

You'll criticize the offense.

I'll agree, but say that we still could've won 22 games with a few lucky bounces.

We'll both agree that we play good defense and rebound.

You'll say no one has developed.

I'll disagree.

You'll say that the recruiting hasn't been good.

I'll say it has been very solid. What you expect, McD AAs every year?

You'll say that the team doesn't respect Mick.

I'll tell you it was four players that have negatively effected this team: DV, Toyloy, Bishop and Davis.

You'll say we should fire him and name a bunch of coaches that wouldn't touch this job with your di**.

I'll say we don't have monopoly money to play with....

I'll say the future is bright because our best players are freshmen and sophomores, plus Ibra and Wilks really started to come on....

You'll point back to the records, etc....


It's a vicious cycle that has been played out. I'm quite sick of it.

[PK2]

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.

mmmm we're not responsible for the state of the program. I don't think I need to rehash the past 5 years. I agree with what you say to an extent, we are PART of the problem of how recruits might perceive our program now. But if our basketball program is in a sorry shape it is not because of the fans

[BearcatLaw]

Here we go again.

You'll cite the track record of results.

I'll dismiss the first two seasons.

You'll say we didn't have a better BE record this year.

I'll say we played better and had more wins.

You'll say we had more losses.

I'll say we had better wins.

You'll say we had bad losses or didn't play anyone.

You'll criticize the offense.

I'll agree, but say that we still could've won 22 games with a few lucky bounces.

We'll both agree that we play good defense and rebound.

You'll say no one has developed.
I'll disagree.

You'll say that the recruiting hasn't been good.

I'll say it has been very solid. What you expect, McD AAs every year?

You'll say that the team doesn't respect Mick.

I'll tell you it was four players that have negatively effected this team: DV, Toyloy, Bishop and Davis.

You'll say we should fire him and name a bunch of coaches that wouldn't touch this job with your di**.

I'll say we don't have monopoly money to play with....

I'll say the future is bright because our best players are freshmen and sophomores, plus Ibra and Wilks really started to come on....

You'll point back to the records, etc....


It's a vicious cycle that has been played out. I'm quite sick of it.

Well I'm assuming you are referring to people in general...because I haven't stated much of this (highlighted).

And IMO negative posters are not the only problem with this board. The overly-optimistic posters are just as annoying as the hard-core Mick Haters...as they have no sense of reality. But I don't go around calling every one of them out claiming that he/she is an "ignoramus" and so out of touch with our program's situation to be a "real fan" and "hurting our program" by raising expectations to unreal levels. The stigma some peeps try to attach solely to the negative posts/posters on this board is annoying. We are all fans.

[ME80]

No offense, but I think you think a little to highly of yourself. I don't think many recruits care what you, I, or anyone on any message board has to say about them. I'm also guessing Teague has no idea about Bearcatnews.

Interesting, kids these days have no idea what is happening on the internet. Right.

[loshow22]

Hey fellas...let's get back to what makes the off season fun, recruiting rumors!! Someone willing to have a serious discussion post your predictions to what you think will happen. BA1 you seem to be pretty up to speed. What do you think? Also, if MDW is reading what do you think (i do value your opinion)?

[MI Bearcat]

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.

We're the problem?? Everyone says Mick doesn't make the passes, shoot the free-throws, and miss all the shots so it's not his fault. But somehow it's the fault of posters on this board for the state the program is in. Unbelievable. The negativity surrounding this program is strictly due to the results displayed on the court and Mick is responsible for that. No one else, especially not posters on this board. If they start playing like they have been to a basketball clinic at some point in their careers, the negativity will be reduced drastically.

[ODDMANOUT]

Fans that post the same negative things over and over again? There is a difference between saying one time in a thread that Mick sucks and saying multiple times in a thread that Mick sucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you think your right doesn't mean that you should post it over and over again in the same thread/topic.

Pot, meet kettle.

[ODDMANOUT]

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.



I look forward to an offseason of optimism.

That, in a nutshell, says it all about what's wrong with the Bearcat basketball program.

[London 'Cat]

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion...negative or positive.

Do we need to be more cordial/respectful on here with our posts? Yes. But IMO asking everyone to quell their negative/critical comments is just wrong and really defeats the entire purpose of this website.

I would qualify the statement highlighted above. All opinions are welcome as long as that opinion is expressed rationally, logically and is based on accurate facts. The "Mick is the next great UC coach" or "Mick can't coach his way out the locker room" posts are the ones that are not welcome becuase they do not cite any factual information in support. Asking the negative comments to be based in fact is entirely appropriate and I think would make the discussions more meaningful and enjoyable for everyone.

Remember that Bearcatnews.com is not a governmental entity. Accordingly, the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not apply to this site. The moderators are free to impinge upon anyone's right to free speech without consequence.

Support your opinions with real, actual facts. State that opinion in a mature, responsible manner. Read the post to which you are responding carefully to be sure that you understand the point of the post. And, read your own post carefully prior to submitting to ensure that it complies with not only the rules of this message board but the spirit of the forum as well.

[Cats4Ever]

I can't believe that Bishop is being run off the team!

Mitchell, then Williams, and now Bishop?

3 guys in 4 years (4 guys if you count Crowell after year 1).

I don't think it is right turn your back on these kids. Yeah they may be mouthy, but what teenager isn't that way to some degree?

And people are discussing 2 schollies for next year - is Biggie medical redshirting?

[red_n_black_attack]

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.

We are not the only reason. Fan comments are not the only reason the program is in the state it is. Fans can only comment on what is true or perceived to be true. I am a Mick supporter because well I just am and will not turn this thread into a debate on whether or not to support Mick.

There will always be fans who are not happy with the state of their program; there were even Blue Devils fans who were questioning if Coach K had "it" anymore the past couple of years.

If Teague's father is leary of UC because of the state of affairs, I am sure he is using more information than just what is on this board. My two cents, Teague will be a nice addition to replace Lance.


Back to the thread....

I think Rashad will not be the first to go if we are able to land the top JUCO F and a pure shooter. I cannot speculate on who would go (if we needed to make room), but I would understand if more talented players caused a scholly or two not to be renewed.

[Best Body]

Not if all you Debbie Downers convince his family that UC will crumble in a year if we don't fire Mick and bring in John Wooden.

BTW, as many on both sides of the argument have talked about, it'd be nice to have some non fire mick/keep mick threads. This thread had a chance to be one of those, but in the 3rd reply, you set the course for it to be another argument about Mick. I realize that all threads eventually go that way, but why be the first?

[BearcatAlum1]

Well I'm assuming you are referring to people in general...because I haven't stated much of this (highlighted).

And IMO negative posters are not the only problem with this board. The overly-optimistic posters are just as annoying as the hard-core Mick Haters...as they have no sense of reality. But I don't go around calling every one of them out claiming that he/she is an "ignoramus" and so out of touch with our program's situation to be a "real fan" and "hurting our program" by raising expectations to unreal levels. The stigma some peeps try to attach solely to the negative posts/posters on this board is annoying. We are all fans.

Herein lies the difference:

You are annoyed by those that show optimism for the program.

I cease to understand how optimism surrounding the program negatively effects the program.

On the other hand, constant negativity serves no purpose than to fracture the fanbase and hurt the program.


I think there is a big difference in being "annoyingly optimistic" and overly negative.


Then again, I enjoy life.

[BearcatLaw]

Herein lies the difference:

You are annoyed by those that show optimism for the program.

I cease to understand how optimism surrounding the program negatively effects the program.

On the other hand, constant negativity serves no purpose than to fracture the fanbase and hurt the program.


I think there is a big difference in being "annoyingly optimistic" and overly negative.


Then again, I enjoy life.

You're trying to twist my words. I am annoyed with OVERLY-optimistic posts. Like the ones saying "Mick is the next great UC coach" (see above) or we are surely going to the Final Four next year. I enjoy the optimistic posts as much as anyone.

But I would argue that the overly-optimiistic posts hurt our program more than the irrational negative posts...infecting some minds with unreal expectations of our players and coaches. Our players are ten times more likely to read this Board than potential recruits IMO. How do you think it effects them when many posters are predicting 25+ wins every year and a deep NCAA Tourney run? Think it adds a little pressure? The same could be said for all posts predicting DV or Lance would average 25+ points a game this year and be BE 1st team. Bottom line, these posts raise expectations to unreal levels...and cause a greater backlash when we have a disappointing season (kind of like what's going on right now).

Just my take. And I think most of us enjoy life.

[BearcatAlum1]

You're trying to twist my words. I am annoyed with OVERLY-optimistic posts. Like the ones saying "Mick is the next great UC coach" (see above) or we are surely going to the Final Four next year. I enjoy the optimistic posts as much as anyone.

But I would argue that the overly-optimiistic posts hurt our program more than the irrational negative posts...infecting some minds with unreal expectations of our players and coaches. Our players are ten times more likely to read this Board than potential recruits IMO. How do you think it effects them when many posters are predicting 25+ wins every year and a deep NCAA Tourney run? Think it adds a little pressure? The same could be said for all posts predicting DV or Lance would average 25+ points a game this year and be BE 1st team. Bottom line, these posts raise expectations to unreal levels...and cause a greater backlash when we have a disappointing season (kind of like what's going on right now).

Just my take. And I think most of us enjoy life.

Please show me one post within the last 12 months from ANYONE that has stated "Mick is the next great UC coach."

I think you're referring to those that identify positives, as opposed to strictly focusing on the negatives.

Stop exaggerating the optimism as being equally extreme as the negativity. The negativity spewed on this board is bordering on obsession.

[BearcatLaw]

I would qualify the statement highlighted above. All opinions are welcome as long as that opinion is expressed rationally, logically and is based on accurate facts. The "Mick is the next great UC coach" or "Mick can't coach his way out the locker room" posts are the ones that are not welcome becuase they do not cite any factual information in support. Asking the negative comments to be based in fact is entirely appropriate and I think would make the discussions more meaningful and enjoyable for everyone.

Remember that Bearcatnews.com is not a governmental entity. Accordingly, the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not apply to this site. The moderators are free to impinge upon anyone's right to free speech without consequence.

Support your opinions with real, actual facts. State that opinion in a mature, responsible manner. Read the post to which you are responding carefully to be sure that you understand the point of the post. And, read your own post carefully prior to submitting to ensure that it complies with not only the rules of this message board but the spirit of the forum as well.

I am well aware of this fact. It is a privilege on this forum. However, what makes this site so popular is that you guys rarely infringe on this privilege.

[BearcatAlum1]

You're trying to twist my words. I am annoyed with OVERLY-optimistic posts. Like the ones saying "Mick is the next great UC coach" (see above) or we are surely going to the Final Four next year. I enjoy the optimistic posts as much as anyone.

But I would argue that the overly-optimiistic posts hurt our program more than the irrational negative posts...infecting some minds with unreal expectations of our players and coaches. Our players are ten times more likely to read this Board than potential recruits IMO. How do you think it effects them when many posters are predicting 25+ wins every year and a deep NCAA Tourney run? Think it adds a little pressure? The same could be said for all posts predicting DV or Lance would average 25+ points a game this year and be BE 1st team. Bottom line, these posts raise expectations to unreal levels...and cause a greater backlash when we have a disappointing season (kind of like what's going on right now).

Just my take. And I think most of us enjoy life.

You're severely exaggerating the optimistic posts on this board.

NO ONE said DV or Lance would average 25.

Who said we're going to the final four?

Maybe you're just misinterpreting things. That would explain many positions on this board...

Unreal levels? Many thought we could make the NCAA Tournament. Is that unreal?

In fact, many of those calling for Mick's head said we should've made the NCAA Tournament. Are these same fans at fault for putting too high of expectations on the program?

Seems somewhat contradictory....................almost like some are on both sides of the fence! Ohhhh..........I get it.............nothing will ever appease these people. If you're on both sides, it is easy to criticize!

I will applaud your effort in defending the stance, but optimism is always better for the program than negativity.

[BearcatLaw]

Please show me one post within the last 12 months from ANYONE that has stated "Mick is the next great UC coach."

I think you're referring to those that identify positives, as opposed to strictly focusing on the negatives.

I am not going diligently scroll the BCatnews archives just to prove my point to you. But the fact that a mod used it as an example of an overly-optimistic irrational comment in a previous post indicates its existence.

[BearcatLaw]

You're severely exaggerating the optimistic posts on this board.

NO ONE said DV or Lance would average 25.

Who said we're going to the final four?

Maybe you're just misinterpreting things. That would explain many positions on this board...

Unreal levels? Many thought we could make the NCAA Tournament. Is that unreal?

In fact, many of those calling for Mick's head said we should've made the NCAA Tournament. Are these same fans at fault for putting too high of expectations on the program?

Seems somewhat contradictory....................almost like some are on both sides of the fence! Ohhhh..........I get it.............nothing will ever appease these people. If you're on both sides, it is easy to criticize!

I will applaud your effort in defending the stance, but optimism is always better for the program than negativity.

You're missing my point...again. But bottom line, respect all posts with some validity...positive or negative.

[BearcatAlum1]

I am not going diligently scroll the BCatnews archives just to prove my point to you. But the fact that a mod used it as an example of an overly-optimistic irrational comment in a previous post indicates its existence.

No it doesn't.

I do not think I've ever seen posts annointing Mick as the Chosen One.

Ralph is no longer on this site. However, Ralph only stated that Mick would be here for awhile and is a good coach.

[BearcatAlum1]

You're missing my point...again. But bottom line, respect all posts with some validity...positive or negative.

I'm not missing the point. You seem to be missing the point.

Negative garbage spewed all day long, over and over, does no good! What does it accomplish?

The point is that negative criticism is tiresome, old, stale, boring, used, etc.

Why point out the same things over and over and over?


I still cease to understand the problem or annoyance with people being optimistic about this team.

Of course, it would annoy me too if I refused to acknowledge any positives.

[Carin's Dad]

Actually we already know Teague's father reads this board and other and sees all the negativity around and that's why Teague hasn't committed. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.

Teague wants to play for Mick but his father doesn't like the situation here.Let's test this logic.

1) We have a program that is getting slightly better despite bringing in major talent. And, that talent doesn't seem to be getting much better.

2) Fans on Bearcatnews complain vociferously and blame the coach, some even calling for his dismissal.

If I'm a father looking for a reason for my son not to attend UC I think #1 trumps #2.

[BackInBlack]

If you all want to trade barbs back at each other why don't you exchange emails via PM and do it that way. But don't hijack recruiting threads to continue your petty squabbles about Mick. Mick is here to stay, love him or hate him, he is the coach next year. Let's get back to talking about recruiting. Does anyone have any good rumors to discuss?

[CincyBeerCo]

Let's test this logic.

1) We have a program that is getting slightly better despite bringing in major talent. And, that talent doesn't seem to be getting much better.

2) Fans on Bearcatnews complain vociferously and blame the coach, some even calling for his dismissal.

If I'm a father looking for a reason for my son not to attend UC I think #1 trumps #2.

Except that Teague want to play for Mick, not the Cincinnati program. If there is uncertainty and lack of support for Mick...it influences the decision.

[Cats4Ever]

Any recruits father, if he has a concern, should just call Mike Thomas. Thomas can reassure the parents of the program stability.

[CincyBeerCo]

Any recruits father, if he has a concern, should just call Mike Thomas. Thomas can reassure the parents of the program stability.

As should any fan with serious issues concerning the state and direction of the program. Lets keep this forum for good discussion, not personal agendas.

[jlr1523]

BCN clowns are killin our recruitin.

You are right about that, seriously. People on here are embarrassing to other UC fans. This site is nothing like it used to be. It used to be informative. I used to get on here to follow recruiting. I only look for that reason now. Sometimes you cant help but to read some stupid threads and what people say. It seriously it embassarring that some of these people are UC fans.

[STKohls]

Let's test this logic.

1) We have a program that is getting slightly better despite bringing in major talent. And, that talent doesn't seem to be getting much better.

2) Fans on Bearcatnews complain vociferously and blame the coach, some even calling for his dismissal.

If I'm a father looking for a reason for my son not to attend UC I think #1 trumps #2.

Perhaps. I'd say your two assertions in (1) may be true, but they're both opinions and not everyone here agrees with both of them. (2), on the other hand, is a provable fact. If I'm a father I probably have my own opinions about the team & coach, but need to also consider any facts out there.

I recently heard a neutral (Pac-10) observer describe UC's current situation as "3 steps forward, and 1 back. Most programs would take that in a heartbeat. Cronin should get another couple of years to see if he can take it to the next level".

I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but I think the national perception is that UC is getting better and more dangerous each year. Certainly their run in the Big East was an improvement over the last two years of crappy play in March. You could even argue that UC gave WVU a tougher game than anyone since then. Maybe a deeper bench *did* actually help the team come tournament time, and the problem the last 2 years *wasn't* the coaching.

[BearcatAlum1]

Perhaps. I'd say your two assertions in (1) may be true, but they're both opinions and not everyone here agrees with both of them. (2), on the other hand, is a provable fact. If I'm a father I probably have my own opinions about the team & coach, but need to also consider any facts out there.

I recently heard a neutral (Pac-10) observer describe UC's current situation as "3 steps forward, and 1 back. Most programs would take that in a heartbeat. Cronin should get another couple of years to see if he can take it to the next level".

I'm not sure I agree with all of it, but I think the national perception is that UC is getting better and more dangerous each year. Certainly their run in the Big East was an improvement over the last two years of crappy play in March. You could even argue that UC gave WVU a tougher game than anyone since then. Maybe a deeper bench *did* actually help the team come tournament time, and the problem the last 2 years *wasn't* the coaching.

How dare you even suggest that........:D

[bearcated]

. His father is not happy with the state of the program. And we're the problem.
Yes. It's all my fault. I missed the free throws. I couldn't run an inbounds play at the end of games. I missed all those stupid 3 point shots. It's all on me.

If Mick wants better feedback, win more games.

[RobPoppeil]

Except that Teague want to play for Mick, not the Cincinnati program. If there is uncertainty and lack of support for Mick...it influences the decision.

If he wants to play for Mick, then why hasn't he signed? Without the signature, it means nothing.

[MDW79]

One quick thing, people suggest this board had changed so much and that this is somehow unique only to our fan base. Could it be that the landscape of the internet and more importantly, message boards have changed over the last few years? Could be that more people are using them, and or they're attracting a different demographic as well? Years ago I would guess this site, along with many others, was populated by diehards and mostly people with some serious basketball knowledge. Not that it's not now but I think ALL forums are attracting much more casual fans and users. I really do not think this is unique to just Bearcatnews, much like I don't think negativity is only spewed here either.

If these sites are affecting recruiting that much (I will admit there has to be some effect, just not sure how much) what's to stop fans from creating accounts on other forums? Would anybody put it past loads of UK fans from going to other sites and bashing recruits and the program so it helps there recruiting? If a UK fan read the part about Teague, I swear I could see a few on here by day's end and we'd be none the wiser at first. I certainly wouldn't be surprised.

I could be totally wrong on all this, just a thought.

PS I just logged on to UL's site and created the username Pitinoblows. I'll keep you guys updated. :)

[MDW79]

Hey fellas...let's get back to what makes the off season fun, recruiting rumors!! Someone willing to have a serious discussion post your predictions to what you think will happen. BA1 you seem to be pretty up to speed. What do you think? Also, if MDW is reading what do you think (i do value your opinion)?

I got to give up to BA1 on this one, anything I can tell you about recruits I'd just be repeating what he said. I've heard these names, like most people, as a possibility of leaving: Biggie, Davis, Bishop. I personally don't think Bishop is going anywhere. I they think would have dismissed him immediately after the incident, plus I think he brings a lot to the team. Mick has always held him in high regard too. It wasn't long ago they did a postgame interview together and Bishop was pretty much speaking as the team leader. If we bring in Ratliff, really just the fact we're even looking at him, makes me think that we will be looking at 2 scholly's opening up. Someone mentioned Cash as a possibility for transferring too, which I think is total hogwash. He can't afford a transfer year after a medical redshirt. Plus he's looking at lot of PT and there's no reason to believe he's unhappy.

We'll see. I would have to think no matter what happens that we'll be adding someone to this class.

[BearcatLaw]

I'm not missing the point. You seem to be missing the point.

Negative garbage spewed all day long, over and over, does no good! What does it accomplish?

The point is that negative criticism is tiresome, old, stale, boring, used, etc.

Why point out the same things over and over and over?


I still cease to understand the problem or annoyance with people being optimistic about this team.

Of course, it would annoy me too if I refused to acknowledge any positives.

Calling people out before they even post is what sparked this encounter. You do it repeatedly...and it's annoying. This is my point.

Your repeated negativity towards other posters and in general, constant preaching, leads to threads turning negative and going way off topic (like this one). It ruins the thread for everyone and is just as toxic as the repeated negativity you criticize.

But twist these comments however you wish. I'm done...50 pages of evidence are calling my name.

[London 'Cat]

If he wants to play for Mick, then why hasn't he signed? Without the signature, it means nothing.

I don't believe Teague can sign yet. Isn't he a 2011 recruit? So he won't be able to sign until this fall.

[BearcatAlum1]

Calling people out before they even post is what sparked this encounter. You do it repeatedly...and it's annoying. This is my point.

Your repeated negativity towards other posters and in general, constant preaching, leads to threads turning negative and going way off topic (like this one). It ruins the thread for everyone and is just as toxic as the repeated negativity you criticize.

But twist these comments however you wish. I'm done...50 pages of evidence are calling my name.

Bravo. I think you took my comments over the past day and used them against me. I still cease to realize how my comments are negative.

I call others out? I rarely, if ever, reference anyone by name. I don't have any negativity towards others. I never personally attack anyone, tell them to shut up, belittle their comments, tell them they're "Mick lovers" or "Mick haters." I do nothing like that....

I'm a little confused where you are now going with your posts. I'm annoying? Those that are optimistic are annoying? Those that fail to join in on the "lynch Mick" parade are annoying? Your statement went from those that offer "extreme optimism" are annoying, to I am annoying. Maybe I'm the "extreme optimist" that you so passionately believe are more detrimental to BCN and our program than those posters that continually belittle our players, coaches and program as a whole.

I merely ask the question why do we need all the negative criticism ALL of the time? I understand one or two comments, but all the time?

I love the comment about preaching. If preaching means I continually tell others to chill on the negative stuff, then so be it. I hardly think I'm in the minority on this view.

Throw enough slop on a wall and eventually something will stick. However, eventually you might run out of slop. :p

[BearcatAlum1]

Recent rumors?

I think it is unfair to spread rumors of what players are leaving, staying or being added to the fray.

There is public uncertainty surrounding Bishop. Coin toss?

Biggie and Davis seem to have some controversy surrounding their names. Biggie makes more sense than Davis, but there are other possible scenarios besides forcing someone to transfer.

I don't have any answers. I'm sure we will all hear soon enough.

Something must give by the end of April, IMO.

[ME80]

Wow, I learned on this thread today that if you are too positive it hurts the program more than being negative. What a great way to live life!

Okay, I will take the bait, UC will only win less than 10 games next year and come in last place in the Big East. Now with that said if we do better, everyone should be extremely happy that we exceded my expectations.

[BearcatLaw]

Wow, I learned on this thread today that if you are too positive it hurts the program more than being negative. What a great way to live life!

Okay, I will take the bait, UC will only win less than 10 games next year and come in last place in the Big East. Now with that said if we do better, everyone should be extremely happy that we exceded my expectations.

That absurd argument was asserted in hopes of getting peeps to realize how equally absurd the argument is that critical posts on this board actually have a negative impact on our program in general. BAlum is right that the constant negatively is the crux of this Board's problem recently. But constantly belittleing others who have critical things to say about our program also feeds the negative fire...especially when the statements made are warranted.

[BearcatAlum1]

That absurd argument was asserted in hopes of getting peeps to realize how equally absurd the argument is that critical posts on this board actually have a negative impact on our program in general. BAlum is right that the constant negatively is the crux of this Board's problem recently. But constantly belittleing others who have critical things to say about our program also feeds the negative fire...especially when the statements made are warranted.

Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (As "Drama" would say....)

I think "belittling" others in general should be frowned upon.

However, there is nothing wrong with telling someone that is ALWAYS negative to knock it off. That's like me asking someone why they always post negative articles on the program, as opposed to articles that speak favorably on the program.

[RobPoppeil]

I don't believe Teague can sign yet. Isn't he a 2011 recruit? So he won't be able to sign until this fall.

He can give a verbal and stop visiting others schools.

[MDW79]

Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (As "Drama" would say....)

I think "belittling" others in general should be frowned upon.

However, there is nothing wrong with telling someone that is ALWAYS negative to knock it off. That's like me asking someone why they always post negative articles on the program, as opposed to articles that speak favorably on the program.

And it does come from both sides. Some of worst personal attacks I've read were also made from people that would be categorized as Mick Lovers too. I'm sure plenty of people don't agree with me a lot of the time, and that's fine, but keep it civil. There's a handful of trolls on here that are always negative and add nothing, this is true. There's also a handful of people who just blast anyone who isn't in 100% support of Mick. That's all they contribute, they wait for someone to say something and just post "you're a moron...." I can think of about 5 names off the top of my head who should be removed from this board and I think all these threads would be much more positive and informative in general.

[catsfan32]

And it does come from both sides. Some of worst personal attacks I've read were also made from people that would be categorized as Mick Lovers too. I'm sure plenty of people don't agree with me a lot of the time, and that's fine, but keep it civil. There's a handful of trolls on here that are always negative and add nothing, this is true. There's also a handful of people who just blast anyone who isn't in 100% support of Mick. That's all they contribute, they wait for someone to say something and just post "you're a moron...." I can think of about 5 names off the top of my head who should be removed from this board and I think all these threads would be much more positive and informative in general.

Agreed, however so much negativity on this board hurts our recruiting. That is a reason why I think many people want some of the trolls and negative nancy's to give it a rest. Fact is recruits and their family visit this board to learn about the program and how they may fit in, we shouldn't have personal attacks coming from posters on our own team and coach! Now, if threads could be like the offensive strategy thread, this board would be much more enjoyable!

[JasonS]

Recent rumors?

I think it is unfair to spread rumors of what players are leaving, staying or being added to the fray.

There is public uncertainty surrounding Bishop. Coin toss?

Biggie and Davis seem to have some controversy surrounding their names. Biggie makes more sense than Davis, but there are other possible scenarios besides forcing someone to transfer.

I don't have any answers. I'm sure we will all hear soon enough.

Something must give by the end of April, IMO.

My opinion on the roster for next year is that it entirely depends on who is available. Mick has stated from day one that he is always looking to improve the roster and that scholarships are renewed from year to year. I have no inside info, but I have a hard time believing Bishop will be back with the team next year. The season has been over for a week now and we still haven't heard anything about this situation. Of course, it is not our right to know, but I think if Bishop was definitely back for next year, we would have heard something.

I know Davis didn't shoot particularly well this year but it is not like we have a lot of shooters on the bench waiting for minutes. We don't really have a bunch of bigs either. We lose Toyloy and gain two freshmen (one probably more ready to contribute than the other). Can Mick afford to go into the season with Gates, Thomas, and two freshmen? I don't think so. That leads me to believe that Biggie is back unless that JUCO big man decides to come to UC.

I would like to see us add two more guys if possible and two JUCOs wouldn't be a bad thing unless there is a good high school shooter still available out there. This team is a shooter and an offensive low post big man away from being really good. We are solid at the point and really good at the wing with Lance and Kilpatrick. We are weak at the 2 and the 5. If Mick can bring in that JUCO big and a three point shooting threat, this team can be very good next year.

[BearcatAlum1]

My opinion on the roster for next year is that it entirely depends on who is available. Mick has stated from day one that he is always looking to improve the roster and that scholarships are renewed from year to year. I have no inside info, but I have a hard time believing Bishop will be back with the team next year. The season has been over for a week now and we still haven't heard anything about this situation. Of course, it is not our right to know, but I think if Bishop was definitely back for next year, we would have heard something.

I know Davis didn't shoot particularly well this year but it is not like we have a lot of shooters on the bench waiting for minutes. We don't really have a bunch of bigs either. We lose Toyloy and gain two freshmen (one probably more ready to contribute than the other). Can Mick afford to go into the season with Gates, Thomas, and two freshmen? I don't think so. That leads me to believe that Biggie is back unless that JUCO big man decides to come to UC.

I would like to see us add two more guys if possible and two JUCOs wouldn't be a bad thing unless there is a good high school shooter still available out there. This team is a shooter and an offensive low post big man away from being really good. We are solid at the point and really good at the wing with Lance and Kilpatrick. We are weak at the 2 and the 5. If Mick can bring in that JUCO big and a three point shooting threat, this team can be very good next year.

I agree 100%. Well said.

[BearcatLaw]

My opinion on the roster for next year is that it entirely depends on who is available. Mick has stated from day one that he is always looking to improve the roster and that scholarships are renewed from year to year. I have no inside info, but I have a hard time believing Bishop will be back with the team next year. The season has been over for a week now and we still haven't heard anything about this situation. Of course, it is not our right to know, but I think if Bishop was definitely back for next year, we would have heard something.

I know Davis didn't shoot particularly well this year but it is not like we have a lot of shooters on the bench waiting for minutes. We don't really have a bunch of bigs either. We lose Toyloy and gain two freshmen (one probably more ready to contribute than the other). Can Mick afford to go into the season with Gates, Thomas, and two freshmen? I don't think so. That leads me to believe that Biggie is back unless that JUCO big man decides to come to UC.

I would like to see us add two more guys if possible and two JUCOs wouldn't be a bad thing unless there is a good high school shooter still available out there. This team is a shooter and an offensive low post big man away from being really good. We are solid at the point and really good at the wing with Lance and Kilpatrick. We are weak at the 2 and the 5. If Mick can bring in that JUCO big and a three point shooting threat, this team can be very good next year.

Good analysis here all around. And I love the fact that Mick has stated that scholly's will be reviewed on a year-to-year basis...demonstrates his commitment to always improving our roster.

[ME80]

Hey BearcatAlum1, any rumor about a foreign kid being looked at?

[JasonS]

Hey BearcatAlum1, any rumor about a foreign kid being looked at?

Foreign kids scare me due to our track record with the NCAA but if there is a lights out shooter out there, take the chance!

[ME80]

That absurd argument was asserted in hopes of getting peeps to realize how equally absurd the argument is that critical posts on this board actually have a negative impact on our program in general. BAlum is right that the constant negatively is the crux of this Board's problem recently. But constantly belittleing others who have critical things to say about our program also feeds the negative fire...especially when the statements made are warranted.

I think a lot of the offending members have been censored to a degree. I agree with you that the abuse has come from both sides. My disagreements always are with the "never" and "will not be" statements. No one is totally satisfied and yes I was very disappointed with the year. Am I happy he is having to learn on the job, absolutely not. Still convinced that he can get better as a coach.

[milfordcats]

Foreign kids scare me due to our track record with the NCAA but if there is a lights out shooter out there, take the chance!

Aren't most foreign players big men? I could be wrong (and probably am) but I can't think of any foreign players off hand that were/are big men.

[JasonS]

Aren't most foreign players big men? I could be wrong (and probably am) but I can't think of any foreign players off hand that were/are big men.

I don't know about non-big foreign players but what about that Vasquez kid from Maryland? Isn't he from Venezuela? Also, didn't Charlotte have a couple foreign shooters back in the CUSA days? And St. Mary's has a bunch of kids from Australia and I think 2 or 3 of them are guards. They are out there.

[JGood]

i hope bishop stays. senior year, he plays his balls off. that would be best case scenario.

[Lobot]

i hope bishop stays. senior year, he plays his balls off. that would be best case scenario.

IF he has he crap together. We don't want a locker room and practice cancer which it appears we might have.

[JasonS]

IF he has he crap together. We don't want a locker room and practice cancer which it appears we might have.

The effort and results after Bishop was suspended sure seem to suggest what you have suggested. If true, the team would be better without him. Only those on the team and the coaches know for sure at this point though.

[Bp4thebest]

if bishop is not back next year it will be for a different reason then his suspension.. atleast what he has done so far.. if he keeps it up yes but if he straitens up he WILL be back.. and we will be very hard pressed to find someone better then bishop in the recruiting.. ****.. bishop was better overall then lance this year do we have a recruit better then lance right now?

[Bp4thebest]

The effort and results after Bishop was suspended sure seem to suggest what you have suggested. If true, the team would be better without him. Only those on the team and the coaches know for sure at this point though.

funny that bishop gave more effort then the whole team all year till he was out.. you guys dont even know what happened but i love that you all have somethin to say about how he is in the locker room

[JasonS]

funny that bishop gave more effort then the whole team all year till he was out.. you guys dont even know what happened but i love that you all have somethin to say about how he is in the locker room

You may be right and I have prefaced my comments by saying that the only people that truly know the situation are the players, coaches, and staff so back off. I have every right to comment on the effort of the team in the games. I have never questioned Bishop's effort in games. All I was saying is that the TEAM seemed to play with more effort after he was suspended. If you have inside info you would like to share, be my guest. I doubt you do though. And to say that Bishop was better than Lance is silly. He was a better defender, sure but not a better player overall.

[milfordcats]

If I remember correctly Mick said that it is up to Bishop whether or not he does what it takes to make it back to the team. My take on that is that the door is open...

I hope he is back.

[BearcatAlum1]

I am have very strong beliefs that Bishop is not the best influence on younger players, nor does he personify the "team" concept.

Needless to say, I'm not a Bishop fan. I think his "laid back" attitude is a terrible attribute that negatively effects impressionable players on this team (i.e. Yancy).

I think Bishop offers some valuable qualities, but every player is replaceable.

No person or player is bigger than the program.

If he comes back, fine. If he doesn't, thanks for the time and goodluck with your life.

This isn't an insult on what he has done for UC, because I'm appreciative. This is all about buying into the "bigger picture" and sacrificing for the program.

If you can't tell............I'm for the program.

[Cats4Ever]

Has Biggie been released? "Medical" reason?

[Irishbearcat]

I wouldn't be shocked if UC had 2-3 new guys come in other than the 2 rooks and Killah.

[Irishbearcat]

How come I'm not a distinguished member? Wassup?

[shaunsimpson]

I think a veteran is higher up the post padding ladder than distinguished member :)

[BearcatAlum1]

Has Biggie been released? "Medical" reason?

I think it is an April Fools joke, FWIW.

[cincyfan81]

I know I am going to have people give me crap for posting information I heard from someone else since I can't prove it, but a person who works in the UC basketball office told me that Rashad threw a punch at Cronin in practice in a heated argument. The punch did not land, but he tried to hit him. Again, I don't know that is fact, just what I was told.

[Irishbearcat]

I think a veteran is higher up the post padding ladder than distinguished member :)

Veterans sound old. no offense to our military who rock. Distinguished is better. I need to delete a bunch of my old posts or something.

[milfordcats]

I know I am going to have people give me crap for posting information I heard from someone else since I can't prove it, but a person who works in the UC basketball office told me that Rashad threw a punch at Cronin in practice in a heated argument. The punch did not land, but he tried to hit him. Again, I don't know that is fact, just what I was told.

If that is the truth, Bishop might be the new hero of a large portion of posters here.

But if thats the case I do understand his suspension.

[Ryno99]

From what I'm told there was no punch thrown, after the regular season was over Hoppo was done, voiced that the team was done and the season was over and skipped a meeting then showed up to travel to MSG and was told hey if you think the season is over there is no reason for you to go, so we'll see you later. Take it for what it's worth, but that came from someone on the coaching staff.

[Johnny Mac]

I heard the exact same thing from someone not on the staff. Heard that the rest of the players were glad he has been suspended.

John

[BearcatAlum1]

From what I'm told there was no punch thrown, after the regular season was over Hoppo was done, voiced that the team was done and the season was over and skipped a meeting then showed up to travel to MSG and was told hey if you think the season is over there is no reason for you to go, so we'll see you later. Take it for what it's worth, but that came from someone on the coaching staff.

If that's the case, he shouldn't be allowed back.

This goes far beyond disrespect for the Mick and the staff. He essentially told the rest of his team to kiss his a$$.

If this is the true story, I hope he is not allowed to return. Punk move Rashad.

[Bearcat John 69]

If that's the case, he shouldn't be allowed back.

This goes far beyond disrespect for the Mick and the staff. He essentially told the rest of his team to kiss his a$$.

If this is the true story, I hope he is not allowed to return. Punk move Rashad.

agreed. if true, see ya rashad.

if we want the fans to buy in to the program, a helpful step would be having the players buy in and respect the coaching staff.

[bearcat1518]

funny that bishop gave more effort then the whole team all year till he was out..

Most good coaches in any sport look for what they call "loafers". They watch film to see what the guy is doing when the ball is not on his side of the field (football), if he's hustling to the tackle (football), backside defense (bball), hustle down the court/field when you're not directly in the play (both sports). If you're not giving 100% - in those times of play - you're a loafer.

Anyone can hustle when you have the ball...but the difference in winning a game is whether you have guys who hustle without the ball instead of loafing.

Bishop may have made a few heads up plays, but he was the biggest loafer on the team over the past 3 years. (Well...maybe besides Yancy).

[UCEE73]

From what I'm told there was no punch thrown, after the regular season was over Hoppo was done, voiced that the team was done and the season was over and skipped a meeting then showed up to travel to MSG and was told hey if you think the season is over there is no reason for you to go, so we'll see you later. Take it for what it's worth, but that came from someone on the coaching staff.

That description is largely in agreement with what I was told sitting behind the bench for the first BE tournament game. Rashad missed a meeting or a practice and when he was rounded up said that it didn't matter if the team practiced "since they weren't going to win, anyway".

Nice attitude:p

[UCEE73]

Bishop may have made a few heads up plays, but he was the biggest loafer on the team over the past 3 years. (Well...maybe besides Yancy).

Yancy was overheard in the locker room before the Dayton NIT game by a training staff member saying he "just wanted the season to be over". That seems to have come true for him. He had nice stats for that game, no?

[ucat4]

If these guys don't even want to play in the post season, this is a major problem! C'mon Cronin, motivate these guys!

[BearcatAlum1]

If these guys don't even want to play in the post season, this is a major problem! C'mon Cronin, motivate these guys!

Relax on the whole Cronin thing. Every single post you make has to do with Cronin in some sort of capacity. It may have validity, but it's starting to get redundant and more than annoying.

Just saying.....


Any word on the Bishop situation? For that matter, when can we expect word on anything?

[LongTimer]

Relax on the whole Cronin thing. Every single post you make has to do with Cronin in some sort of capacity. It may have validity, but it's starting to get redundant and more than annoying.

Just saying.....


Any word on the Bishop situation? For that matter, when can we expect word on anything?

Cronin bashing is all that Bearcat Basketball has become. You're right, it is getting old, but until he does something to stop it, there's not much else to talk about. Looks like we will have at least one more year of it.

This year opened a lot of eyes though. I honestly thought he had gotten over the hump and we would be a 25 win team, challenge for a BE title, and be in the NCAA. I missed those predictions by a mile. I won't let that happen again. Next year, I'll plan on another 11th place finish and be happy if he beats that. I don't see us making the NCAA again for awhile.

I honestly hope Bishop is gone for good. We don't need players with his attitude on the team and he isn't that good anyway. If Gates doesn't change over the summer, he can join Bishop for all I care. I don't think next year will be much different anyway, so let's clean house and start playing the guys with winning attitudes and develop them into something. Gates and Bishop are cancers and probably have a lot to do with why we all continually blame Cronin for his lack of success. Maui showed us that the potential was there, but the cancers ate away at the team all year and the team collapsed again. All parts of the team need to improve, including the head coach and assistant coaches, but we definitely need to send the negative/losing attitude guys packing.

[BearcatAlum1]

Cronin bashing is all that Bearcat Basketball has become. You're right, it is getting old, but until he does something to stop it, there's not much else to talk about. Looks like we will have at least one more year of it.

This year opened a lot of eyes though. I honestly thought he had gotten over the hump and we would be a 25 win team, challenge for a BE title, and be in the NCAA. I missed those predictions by a mile. I won't let that happen again. Next year, I'll plan on another 11th place finish and be happy if he beats that. I don't see us making the NCAA again for awhile.

I honestly hope Bishop is gone for good. We don't need players with his attitude on the team and he isn't that good anyway. If Gates doesn't change over the summer, he can join Bishop for all I care. I don't think next year will be much different anyway, so let's clean house and start playing the guys with winning attitudes and develop them into something. Gates and Bishop are cancers and probably have a lot to do with why we all continually blame Cronin for his lack of success. Maui showed us that the potential was there, but the cancers ate away at the team all year and the team collapsed again. All parts of the team need to improve, including the head coach and assistant coaches, but we definitely need to send the negative/losing attitude guys packing.

For those that don't like me, don't understand, or cannot comprehend what I'm saying............I'll summarize 90% of the problem right now.

If you have a substantive comment (i.e. he subs too much, our offense is stagnant, etc.) regarding Cronin, that's valid. However, it gets extremely old and repetitive if mentioned in EVERY SINGLE thread. Mentioning it once in a thread is fine, but mentioning multiple times in the same thread or littering it in every single thread that is on the top half of the page is ridiciulous.

If you have a personal comment (i.e. he is short, leprechaun, red haired, etc.) just keep that stuff to yourself. Everyone will admit it doesn't belong here.

That's my take. I'm done weighing in on the matter.

[bearcatbret]

I was hoping that the winning attitude that Stephenson, Kilpatrick, and Parker brought in this year would be contagious. It was not. I will be curious to see how Kilpatrick fits in next year. From the stories, he really practiced well and he and Stephenson get along great. Maybe those two can take over games next year at crunch time.

[ucat4]

Relax on the whole Cronin thing. Every single post you make has to do with Cronin in some sort of capacity. It may have validity, but it's starting to get redundant and more than annoying.

Just saying.....


Any word on the Bishop situation? For that matter, when can we expect word on anything?

It's tough to relax on "the whole Cronin thing", when he's the head coach of my favorite basketball team that is underachieving. Surely you can admit that we underachieved this year. It always falls on the coach - that's just the way it is. If he starts winning and gets us to where we need to be then I'll be his biggest cheerleader - I promise!

[LongTimer]

For those that don't like me, don't understand, or cannot comprehend what I'm saying............I'll summarize 90% of the problem right now.

If you have a substantive comment (i.e. he subs too much, our offense is stagnant, etc.) regarding Cronin, that's valid. However, it gets extremely old and repetitive if mentioned in EVERY SINGLE thread. Mentioning it once in a thread is fine, but mentioning multiple times in the same thread or littering it in every single thread that is on the top half of the page is ridiciulous.

If you have a personal comment (i.e. he is short, leprechaun, red haired, etc.) just keep that stuff to yourself. Everyone will admit it doesn't belong here.

That's my take. I'm done weighing in on the matter.

Well then....he subs too much. Our offense is stagnant. He recruited a roster full of bad shooters. He has some "cancers" on the team. His recruiting could be better. He doesn't seem to have a close relationship with his players. He makes too many excuses. He blames the refs too much. He doesn't seem to promote himself or the program very well. He sucks in February. He never accepts blame. He does seem to graduate his players. He's a local guy and an alumnus. He's young. His potential should be great. He has winning records lately. That's about it.

[BearcatAlum1]

Well then....he subs too much. Our offense is stagnant. He recruited a roster full of bad shooters. He has some "cancers" on the team. His recruiting could be better. He doesn't seem to have a close relationship with his players. He makes too many excuses. He blames the refs too much. He doesn't seem to promote himself or the program very well. He sucks in February. He never accepts blame. He does seem to graduate his players. He's a local guy and an alumnus. He's young. His potential should be great. He has winning records lately. That's about it.

Right on. I can respect this post more than many other that criticize.

I don't necessarily like the "he doesn't seem to have" talk.

Now can you let it chill for a bit? Flush this out of your system? ;)

[BearcatAlum1]

It's tough to relax on "the whole Cronin thing", when he's the head coach of my favorite basketball team that is underachieving. Surely you can admit that we underachieved this year. It always falls on the coach - that's just the way it is. If he starts winning and gets us to where we need to be then I'll be his biggest cheerleader - I promise!

Coming into the season, expectations were not very high on a national basis. We were ranked in the mid 50s-60s and picked around 10 in the BE. Of course, expectations within the UC community were high (as they always are...).

I will admit that we underachieved, especially after it looked like some key players would have nice seasons after Maui. I thought we had the talent to earn an NCAA bid. I thought we were a few close losses away from earning that bid.

Unfortunately, it didn't pan out.

I still don't see the need to persecute the guy over every little detail.

Life is too short to constantly complain, IMO. I try to influence thins within my control and let all else be.

Everyone is different. I respect that. I enjoy BCN, but it is starting to lose its luster because of the constant negativity.

[DMoney_70]

Well then....he subs too much. Our offense is stagnant. He recruited a roster full of bad shooters. He has some "cancers" on the team. His recruiting could be better. He doesn't seem to have a close relationship with his players. He makes too many excuses. He blames the refs too much. He doesn't seem to promote himself or the program very well. He sucks in February. He never accepts blame. He does seem to graduate his players. He's a local guy and an alumnus. He's young. His potential should be great. He has winning records lately. That's about it.

Good post LT. One of your other posts mentioned eyes being opened. I think my hope is that one of those sets of eyes was Mick's. With his comments about Yancy toward the end of the year (not being as great a recruit as everyone said) and his suspension of Bishop, that may be the case. We are all better off if he fulfills his potential as a coach.

[Lobot]

The thread has gone a bit off topic. Can we stick to discussing Bishop without wandering into Mick world again please?

[BearcatAlum1]

I think Bishop is gone.

The longer time passes, the more likely he is gone, IMO.

[Carin's Dad]

Coming into the season, expectations were not very high on a national basis. We were ranked in the mid 50s-60s and picked around 10 in the BE. Of course, expectations within the UC community were high (as they always are...).

I will admit that we underachieved, especially after it looked like some key players would have nice seasons after Maui. I thought we had the talent to earn an NCAA bid. I thought we were a few close losses away from earning that bid.

Unfortunately, it didn't pan out.

I still don't see the need to persecute the guy over every little detail.

Life is too short to constantly complain, IMO. I try to influence thins within my control and let all else be.

Everyone is different. I respect that. I enjoy BCN, but it is starting to lose its luster because of the constant negativity.The problem is there's far more to complain about than to praise. That's true whether you look at the overall record or get into the nitty-gritty details.

I'm coming to suspect that poor team chemistry played a larger part in the short-fall vs expectations than I earlier thought. That said, Mick's job is to address that and fix it. If some players have to go, so be it. We may get an indication of Mick's continuing growth as a coach far sooner than when they lace them up next fall.

[LongTimer]

Coming into the season, expectations were not very high on a national basis. We were ranked in the mid 50s-60s and picked around 10 in the BE. Of course, expectations within the UC community were high (as they always are...).

I will admit that we underachieved, especially after it looked like some key players would have nice seasons after Maui. I thought we had the talent to earn an NCAA bid. I thought we were a few close losses away from earning that bid.

Unfortunately, it didn't pan out.

I still don't see the need to persecute the guy over every little detail.

Life is too short to constantly complain, IMO. I try to influence thins within my control and let all else be.

Everyone is different. I respect that. I enjoy BCN, but it is starting to lose its luster because of the constant negativity.

I believe the Big East coaches ranked us #7 in the league pre-season. Mike Decourcey and the Sporting News had us at #25 and an NCAA lock. We were in the top 20 after Maui. Anyway you look at it, I think our expectations were reasonable. I think we underachieved based on our talent. We showed in Maui how we could play when we were giving great effort. As the season went on, that level of effort went away, and guys started performing as if they had no talent. I think many have talent, and even Mick could prove to have talent, but until the chemistry gets better, we'll continue to underperform.....and to stay on topic, I hope Bishop is gone!

[Irishbearcat]

Anyone talk to one of the players to get a feel for what's going on internally?

[Cats4Ever]

Here's the Sporting News top 25 preseason list. UC at # 25.

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-basketball/article/2009-10-17/college-basketball-countdown-sns-top-25

[Cats4Ever]

Big East coaches poll - UC picked to finish 7th.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2009-1021/big-east-media-day-2009-2010/

[BearcatAlum1]

Thanks for providing those links.

I agree that the mentality of this team must change.

I think we have a great group of young talented players that will help in that transition. Any upperclassmen that aren't buying in need to leave the program.

Give me kids that want to compete and sacrifice for the team.

[JasonS]

I think Bishop is gone.

The longer time passes, the more likely he is gone, IMO.

This is exactly what I have been thinking too. If Bishop was going to be back with the team, wouldn't Mick have said it already? Even if there were certain things that he had to do to be reinstated, I would think Mick would mention that. I am pretty sure that was the case with Mitchell.

[Lobot]

This is exactly what I have been thinking too. If Bishop was going to be back with the team, wouldn't Mick have said it already? Even if there were certain things that he had to do to be reinstated, I would think Mick would mention that. I am pretty sure that was the case with Mitchell.

If Mick were to kick Bishop to the curb now, Bishop most likely would not attend classes for the rest of the spring quarter. That would put him in bad academic standing when/if he leaves the program. This is an APR hit that we don't want to take. I would not expect any announcements until June, at the end of the quarter. IMHO.

[JasonS]

If Mick were to kick Bishop to the curb now, Bishop most likely would not attend classes for the rest of the spring quarter. That would put him in bad academic standing when/if he leaves the program. This is an APR hit that we don't want to take. I would not expect any announcements until June, at the end of the quarter. IMHO.

You could be right on this. The only problem with this becomes the late signing period and trying to recruit players without officially having a spot available. Also, I thought if a player transfered, you don't take an APR hit as long as the player is in good academic standing at the time of the transfer. If this is the case, it wouldn't matter when Bishop left.

[bearcatbret]

Winter quarter just ended during the NIT. If he is not enrolled for spring, he is not on the team. However, the APR will take a slight hit even if he is in good academic standings. Just not as bad as it would if he was not. However, I think that the APR also looks at if he graduates from another institution.

[milfordcats]

Winter quarter just ended during the NIT. If he is not enrolled for spring, he is not on the team. However, the APR will take a slight hit even if he is in good academic standings. Just not as bad as it would if he was not. However, I think that the APR also looks at if he graduates from another institution.

I'm pretty sure that he is still enrolled this quarter. I have seen him around campus several times.

[KY Bearcat]

Except that Teague want to play for Mick, not the Cincinnati program. If there is uncertainty and lack of support for Mick...it influences the decision.

Where is all this talk of Teague loving Mick and wanting to commit, but not doing so because of a message board coming from??? Who has proof that Teague would commit if we ALL said that we love and trust Mick???

I'm looking for a serious answer...

[cincyfan81]

Where is all this talk of Teague loving Mick and wanting to commit, but not doing so because of a message board coming from??? Who has proof that Teague would commit if we ALL said that we love and trust Mick???

I'm looking for a serious answer...

That idea is laughable and a built in excuse.

[BearcatAlum1]

Where is all this talk of Teague loving Mick and wanting to commit, but not doing so because of a message board coming from??? Who has proof that Teague would commit if we ALL said that we love and trust Mick???

I'm looking for a serious answer...

In the past, Teague's father has expressed uncertainty about the attitude surrounding the program, specifically citing message boards.

I wouldn't make much of a deal out of it now. I've been told the issue has been addressed and "worked through."