Beat the Wolverines!

[ralph1950]

I put this one at UC 80 Wolverines 50.

[JDBEARCAT]

Uc 88
Uvs 53

[Best Body]

These games are awful. I'm not suggesting scheduling Kansas, KY or Duke, but how about some more home and homes with the likes of Minnesota, Iowa, Clemson, or anyone in the middle, or even bottom, of a power conference. UC can't be making that much money off these games that have 1-2k people show up. And they'd be better prepared for conference play. I don't see a problem with a couple of cupcakes from the MAC, but some of these games are just stupid.

[Corporateballa]

These games are about the employment of Mick Cronin. He is a little too obvious.

[Thegreatone]

These games are about creating a winning mentality. Dayton, Xavier, and OU are all usually better than they are this year. Have you been watching the Big East this year?? It is stacked. Our SOS is going to be Top 75 for sure and our win/loss record will read something like 22-8 which is tournament worthy.

This schedule is about getting into the tournament. If that is what you mean by "these games are for the employment of Mick Cronin" than I agree.

Why would it be a bad thing to keep Mick after this year?? Would that indicate that we made the tournament or had a successful season?

[binturong07]

These games are about the employment of Mick Cronin. He is a little too obvious.

Right...cause Mick decided to schedule these teams.

[Deaf_Bearcat]

It is either for Mick's employment purpose or a confidence builder for this team before Big East games.

[ralph1950]

Playing a tough out of conference schedule does not prepare you for your tough conference schedule, and playing a tough conference schedule does not prepare you for the NCAA Tourney, such theories are nothing more than urban legends. Schools like Memphis and Syracuse have proven that for years and guys like Andy Katz have researched it and the research has shown those theories to be poppy cock.

[Bearcat Cafe]

You guys might need some economics lessons. Or just some tips on balancing a checkbook. So much of this is financially driven.

Not being allowed to participate in the travel tournaments this year to get the free OOC matchups against good competition hurt. They will be in one next year so that will help get 3 free decent matchups OOC.

[BackInBlack]

Izzo's teams play brutal non-conference schedules every year and are always contenders for national titles. How many Final Fours have Syracuse and Memphis been to in the past decade? Michigan State seems to be competing for Final Fours every year and has been to more Final Fours than SU and Memphis combined. Playing tough non-conference schedules definitely prepare you for the NCAA tournament. That being said, a younger team like UC that has not experienced much success recently needs a non-conference schedule like this to help build confidence going into conference (and hopefully) postseason play.

[richard k.]

I How many Final Fours have Syracuse and Memphis been to in the past decade?

I don't know about Memphis but I'll take Syracuse's 2003 national championship. That's in the last decade, isn't it?

[Bearcat Cafe]

IMO Izzo is the best pure basketball coach in the bidnezz. That sure helps when taking on all comers.

[BearcatAlum1]

"Let the haters hate"

[MDW79]

The Big Ten is nowhere near the Big East in overall quality. (Ex. 4 of their 11 teams had losing records last year)

Also, having a perennial top 25 team, if not top 10, makes it a whole lot easier to decide add a couple really tough OOC games almost every year.

[Not Guilty]

Its unbelievably annoying how many fans are bringing up Michigan St's schedule as a criticism against Mick and UC.

What about UC and Michigan St are similar right now? Seriously, is there a more stupid comparison?

[BearcatAlum1]

Its unbelievably annoying how many fans are bringing up Michigan St's schedule as a criticism against Mick and UC.

What about UC and Michigan St are similar right now? Seriously, is there a more stupid comparison?

I don't understand it either.

However, it certainly allows for me to "identify" certain posters so future complaints/praise will be ignored.

Izzo has been to 7 final fours in the last 14 years, or something close. UC has never scheduled like MSU in my lifetime and won't, because we play in the BE. Now, if/when we're perennial top 10 team, we'll get invited and schedule nationally televised games.

[Bearcat Cafe]

It's the "moving feast" of criticizing this program and the coaching staff. Slam the recruiting till this the class gets some national recognition. Slam the development of players till improvement is evident in key players. Slam the D till that changes for the better. Slam the effort till that looks like it's no longer an easy target. Now its on to the schedule. It's like a retrovirus - keep mutating in a continued attempt to kill the host.

[Not Guilty]

It's the "moving feast" of criticizing this program and the coaching staff. Slam the recruiting till this the class gets some national recognition. Slam the development of players till improvement is evident in key players. Slam the D till that changes for the better. Slam the effort till that looks like it's no longer an easy target. Now its on to the schedule. It's like a retrovirus - keep mutating in a continued attempt to kill the host.

Yeah, I understand the reason the be skeptical of this team given that we haven't really proven our self yet. However, the downright negativity from a lot of posters when things have been pretty positive to start the year is baffling.

And its definitely taken into the equation when I slam the fan base.

[BearcatAlum1]

It's the "moving feast" of criticizing this program and the coaching staff. Slam the recruiting till this the class gets some national recognition. Slam the development of players till improvement is evident in key players. Slam the D till that changes for the better. Slam the effort till that looks like it's no longer an easy target. Now its on to the schedule. It's like a retrovirus - keep mutating in a continued attempt to kill the host.

I agree with you on most points.

I have no problem with criticism, but the scheduling? Of everything to complain about, I really can't complain with the schedule.

What's the ultimate goal? To make the NCAA Tournament and advance. To advance, you must first make the Tourney. Most of us would call making The Field of 68 a successful season.....I would.

Despite the schedule, which is weaker than usual, we're seeing attributes from Mick's team that we have not seen in the previous seasons. I don't need to list the improvements to anyone with an objective eye, but the effort/hustle/togetherness/team attitude is much different than the last few years. That's progress in the right direction, IMO. I'm hoping that the that we roll off 15 straight wins and go to 'Nova in the top 20 as a result.

[BackInBlack]

Learn to read and comprehend. I never criticized the scheduling. I agreed with the scheduling and never once compared MSU to UC. I clearly said that for a team like Cincinnati, they needed an OOC like the one that Mick and Mike put together this season. I was just saying that scheduling a tough OOC can make your team better come tournament time.

I never compared UC to MSU. Not one time. Seriously, is there a more stupid comprehension of a post?

[Mr. Bearcat]

It's the "moving feast" of criticizing this program and the coaching staff. Slam the recruiting till this the class gets some national recognition. Slam the development of players till improvement is evident in key players. Slam the D till that changes for the better. Slam the effort till that looks like it's no longer an easy target. Now its on to the schedule. It's like a retrovirus - keep mutating in a continued attempt to kill the host.


Yes, it is much more effective and positive to SLAM the fans. SLAM the posters. SLAM the athletic facilities. SLAM our 3rd all time leading scorer. SLAM Mick for recruiting him. Declare we can never win a Big East Championship. Declare we should just be happy to finish top 8 in the BE. And then confess that you discontinued your season tickets this year!
That last point puts it all into perspective doesn't it. And even more bizarre, you have people posting that they agree with almost everything you say and telling other posters to start smoking MaryJane. Yep, retrovirus is an appropriate description.

Sorry, but I'll continue buying season tickets, attending games, going to tournaments, supporting the team and coach the way it's supposed to be done.

[Not Guilty]

Sorry, but I'll continue buying season tickets, attending games, going to tournaments, supporting the team and coach the way it's supposed to be done.


Longtimer, I find it convenient that you forget that BC has been to every home game but 1 this year and also donated to UCATS even though he didn't buy season tickets.

Convenient, but not surprising.

[bearcatbbllfn]

Yes, it is much more effective and positive to SLAM the fans. SLAM the posters. SLAM the athletic facilities. SLAM our 3rd all time leading scorer. SLAM Mick for recruiting him. Declare we can never win a Big East Championship. Declare we should just be happy to finish top 8 in the BE. And then confess that you discontinued your season tickets this year!
That last point puts it all into perspective doesn't it. And even more bizarre, you have people posting that they agree with almost everything you say and telling other posters to start smoking MaryJane. Yep, retrovirus is an appropriate description.

Sorry, but I'll continue buying season tickets, attending games, going to tournaments, supporting the team and coach the way it's supposed to be done.

It's a hypocrisy. If your so damn unhappy, you should not be here.

[MDW79]

I actually agree with what Ralph said. As much weight can put in playing a touch schedule to prepare you, the same can be said for building confidence and gaining a rhythm. See Butler, Gonzaga, and Eggs as recent examples.
2 and 1/2 of months of nobodys in conference didn't hurt them. On the flip side, look at the BE's early exits last year.

Even if we were to schedule tougher, we're talking about substituting a slightly harder "gimme" than what we have now. Lets say instead of a St. Mary's we'd schedule a Buffalo or Kent St., instead of a IFPW we'd schedule a Cal State Bakersfield. We probably just can't afford to pay for those games right now, and it'd be idiotic to go play there, even in a home and home.

All will be answered come league play, and I think this team is as prepared as it going to get tough schedule or not. Trust me, when it's all said and done, we don't have to apologize to anyone for our schedule. Leave that for the teams in the A10, Wac, Mac, Horizon, Pac 10 (Yeah I said it) and conferences alike.

[Not Guilty]

It's a hypocrocy. If your so damn unhappy, you should not be here.

Its not hypocrisy. BC is one of the more supportive posters of the programs here at BCN. That doesn't mean he finds everything rosy. Longtimer just posted a very limited (and not wholly truthful) recap of only SOME of the things BC has posted.

[Bp4thebest]

Right...cause Mick decided to schedule these teams.

just curious... who do you think schedules the games?

[KY Bearcat]

^^^ I was wondering the same thing...

[MDW79]

Its not hypocrisy. BC is one of the more supportive posters of the programs here at BCN. That doesn't mean he finds everything rosy. Longtimer just posted a very limited (and not wholly truthful) recap of only SOME of the things BC has posted.

The guy literally just said the worst thing Mick has ever done was offer a scholarship to Deonta Vaughn in the 11th hour. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

The guy said the we will never win a BE title, and that people need to accept that. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

They guy said that a "perfect storm" would result in a 5th place finish at some point. Perfection for our team (not this year, any and all years) is 5th place. Who wants to step up agree with that?

The guy admitted he's glad that people can't watch our team on tv. That is NOT someone who has the program's best interest at heart. That is someone who gloats b/c he spent a whopping 8 bucks on a walkup and likes to pat himself on the back. Also, not even mentioning, how about away games?

The guys rips the fan base for months and then admits he dropped his tickets. Look I'm the last person to rip people for not going to games but if you choose to get on your high horse and call our fan base trash you better be spending more than $8 bucks a game yourself.

I'm sorry, dude seems like he is just trying to bait posters (Which I fell for) or is completely 100% misinformed. DV was our biggest mistake? Pft. I'd love for someone to try to back him on that, or half the other things listed. I promise I won't get involved anymore, or derail a thread arguing, but some of this junk is just plain ridiculous. And I highly doubt anybody wants to join and defend these statements, which seem to get crazier by the day.

Moving on...

[Carin's Dad]

Even if we were to schedule tougher, we're talking about substituting a slightly harder "gimme" than what we have now. Thank you, that's an overlooked point. Who cares if the cupcake is vanilla or chocolate? They're all cupcakes.

A point nobody has raised is why not schedule a top 50 at their place. To be honest I don't know how the money works on these deals.

Regardless, the keystrokes wasted on this topic are amazing. No matter how well crafted your argument is, the schedule is not going to change this year. Sit back and enjoy 16-0 or whatever we get up to! Worry about RPI when it's time to.

[Who Dey Time]

Back to the original topic of the thread....I say we kick Utah Valley State's a$$!!!!

UC 82
UVSU 65

[Not Guilty]

The guy literally just said the worst thing Mick has ever done was offer a scholarship to Deonta Vaughn in the 11th hour. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

The guy said the we will never win a BE title, and that people need to accept that. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

They guy said that a "perfect storm" would result in a 5th place finish at some point. Perfection for our team (not this year, any and all years) is 5th place. Who wants to step up agree with that?

The guy admitted he's glad that people can't watch our team on tv. That is NOT someone who has the program's best interest at heart. That is someone who gloats b/c he spent a whopping 8 bucks on a walkup and likes to pat himself on the back. Also, not even mentioning, how about away games?

The guys rips the fan base for months and then admits he dropped his tickets. Look I'm the last person to rip people for not going to games but if you choose to get on your high horse and call our fan base trash you better be spending more than $8 bucks a game yourself.

I'm sorry, dude seems like he is just trying to bait posters (Which I fell for) or is completely 100% misinformed. DV was our biggest mistake? Pft. I'd love for someone to try to back him on that, or half the other things listed. I promise I won't get involved anymore, or derail a thread arguing, but some of this junk is just plain ridiculous. And I highly doubt anybody wants to join and defend these statements, which seem to get crazier by the day.

Moving on...

I'm not going to agree with everything he has said. But I do think his take on expectations given the current state of the program are far more realistic than those who think we should be competing for Big East championships right now. Listen, I would love for this program to win a BE title, and hope that they can continue to build the program to the point where we can get there. But as of right now and the very near future, with the lack of resources, we are operating at too big of a disadvantage to consider that at all realistic. Technically it is possible (after all, Kevin Garnett did say 'anything is possible"), but not realistically.

[Not Guilty]

Also, count me on the side of the argument that this team is better this year without Deonta on the team. He simply wasn't as good of a shooter as he showed his sophomore year and we are significantly better defensively with his lack of length and quickness no longer in the lineup.

[Carin's Dad]

The guy literally just said the worst thing Mick has ever done was offer a scholarship to Deonta Vaughn in the 11th hour. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

The guy said the we will never win a BE title, and that people need to accept that. Who wants to step up and agree with that?

They guy said that a "perfect storm" would result in a 5th place finish at some point. Perfection for our team (not this year, any and all years) is 5th place. Who wants to step up agree with that?

The guy admitted he's glad that people can't watch our team on tv. That is NOT someone who has the program's best interest at heart. That is someone who gloats b/c he spent a whopping 8 bucks on a walkup and likes to pat himself on the back. Also, not even mentioning, how about away games?

The guys rips the fan base for months and then admits he dropped his tickets. Look I'm the last person to rip people for not going to games but if you choose to get on your high horse and call our fan base trash you better be spending more than $8 bucks a game yourself.

I'm sorry, dude seems like he is just trying to bait posters (Which I fell for) or is completely 100% misinformed. DV was our biggest mistake? Pft. I'd love for someone to try to back him on that, or half the other things listed. I promise I won't get involved anymore, or derail a thread arguing, but some of this junk is just plain ridiculous. And I highly doubt anybody wants to join and defend these statements, which seem to get crazier by the day.

Moving on...

Time for the mods to step up and throw around some suspensions. These personal attacks are not helpful.

[Who Dey Time]

Also, count me on the side of the argument that this team is better this year without Deonta on the team. He simply wasn't as good of a shooter as he showed his sophomore year and we are significantly better defensively with his lack of length and quickness no longer in the lineup.

The TEAM might be better this season without Deonta (I actually agree with this) but to say that bringing Vaughn to UC was a huge mistake is not living in reality. Deonta was a great Bearcat and had a disappointing senior season which is the reason, in large part, why there was and is criticism of him. Whether that criticism is fair or not depends on how you look at things I guess.

[Who Dey Time]

Time for the mods to step up and throw around some suspensions. These personal attacks are not helpful.

How is what MDW79 said a personal attack? His point simply reiterated the points that BC made and he disagreed with them.

If BC opened the door about fans and how they support the team, then others are allowed to rebut it. This wasn't some unsolicited rant at a random poster.

[Carin's Dad]

How is what MDW79 said a personal attack? His point simply reiterated the points that BC made and he disagreed with them.The back and forth sniping at each other is BORING!

[Mr. Bearcat]

Its not hypocrisy. BC is one of the more supportive posters of the programs here at BCN. That doesn't mean he finds everything rosy. Longtimer just posted a very limited (and not wholly truthful) recap of only SOME of the things BC has posted.

UC 83

UVSt 62

[Who Dey Time]

The back and forth sniping at each other is BORING!

I actually don't disagree with you on that. But boring isn't a reason to request someone be banned and that is what you did.

[MDW79]

Time for the mods to step up and throw around some suspensions. These personal attacks are not helpful.

And for that apologize, I shouldn't get caught up in the arguing or if I'm being attacked myself. (See yesterday's threads) I'm done arguing, I've said enough. (too much)

I'll stay on course from now on. Jeffto, why on earth would you call for my suspension? You of all people...? :)

[Carin's Dad]

I think the score could be whatever Mick wants it to be. I don't think he'll turn off the defensive pressure though. 81-52.

[bearcatbbllfn]

Its not hypocrisy. BC is one of the more supportive posters of the programs here at BCN. That doesn't mean he finds everything rosy. Longtimer just posted a very limited (and not wholly truthful) recap of only SOME of the things BC has posted.

Well, I understand the gripes. I have followed every game for 20 yrs now, and I get it. The drama and the demeanor from a fan perspective, on a fan's site, it is disheartening. This site is by far, worse than the others IMO. If a person will come on here and be negative and rebellious, then they are doing that at work, with friends, etc. I want to see the program grow and this is detrimental to that cause. We need our long time fans to put their demands to the side for now, and believe in this team. I am not a ""Mick lover"" or ""Mick hater"", just a fan who wants to see them win. Thats what this programs needs the most. I know the problems and don't care about that right now.

I didn't know what we would get this year, but I really like this team. They have a shot and that's good enough for now. Why even show up claiming to be a fan, if your to disgruntled to feel excited about them. They have a lot going for them this year. The only thing missing, is the fans who can't get excited anymore because of this and that and everything else. I have taken a different approach now. I am tryting to reel people back in instead of crushing the program further. To do that, I have to just be a fan and be excited about it. This team can maybe give us fan's, a great year and we need to give them the enthuisiam and atmospere to thrive in. Please try to move past your program demands momentarily, and try to find a place in your heart for this years team.

[Carin's Dad]

I actually don't disagree with you on that. But boring isn't a reason to request someone be banned and that is what you did.Not banned - a time out. I attached my comment to MDW but he's not the only one and he apologized. The mods will do what they want, so don't start attacking me too.

[MDW79]

UC - 74
Utah Valley State - 53

Cash goes off for his season high.

[Ran513]

Learn to read and comprehend. I never criticized the scheduling. I agreed with the scheduling and never once compared MSU to UC. I clearly said that for a team like Cincinnati, they needed an OOC like the one that Mick and Mike put together this season. I was just saying that scheduling a tough OOC can make your team better come tournament time.

I never compared UC to MSU. Not one time. Seriously, is there a more stupid comprehension of a post?
Actually you did use them as a comparison, by inadvertently mentioning them in the manner u did. Just because u ended with a " that being said", doesn't not diminish the comparison. Why bring up any other schools schedule if isn't a comparison?maybe u should re read ur last line because , how do u have a more stupid comprehension?

[Who Dey Time]

Not banned - a time out. I attached my comment to MDW but he's not the only one and he apologized. The mods will do what they want, so don't start attacking me too.

Who's attacking? I enjoy the back and forth. Sometimes we'll agree sometimes we won't.

[Carin's Dad]

Who's attacking? I enjoy the back and forth. Sometimes we'll agree sometimes we won't.It may be fun for the participants but for the rest of us it gets pretty boring after the second or third exchange of artillery. The problem is no minds are being changed and as the arguments go on harsher and harsher language is directed at each other.

As evidence look at the post directly above yours.

[Not Guilty]

Who's attacking? I enjoy the back and forth. Sometimes we'll agree sometimes we won't.

You definitely didn't say anything at all that could be considered attacking.

[Not Guilty]

Actually you did use them as a comparison, by inadvertently mentioning them in the manner u did. Just because u ended with a " that being said", doesn't not diminish the comparison. Why bring up any other schools schedule if isn't a comparison?maybe u should re read ur last line because , how do u have a more stupid comprehension?

I would agree that bringing Michigan St up in a conversation about our weak schedule is creating a comparison. But regardless, even if that wasn't the intent, there have been numerous UC fans on this and other sites point to Michigan St's scheduling as a criticism of UC's scheduling this year.

The circumstances are extremely different. The comparisons are getting old.

[MI Bearcat]

Actually you did use them as a comparison, by inadvertently mentioning them in the manner u did. Just because u ended with a " that being said", doesn't not diminish the comparison. Why bring up any other schools schedule if isn't a comparison?maybe u should re read ur last line because , how do u have a more stupid comprehension?

If my comprehension is correct, he was replying to Ralphs blanket statement that playing a tough OOC schedule does not help you in the tournament. BackinBLack said it has helped MSU, which it has. MSU loses a lot of OOC games and rarely wins the Big 10, but normally advances far in the tournament. They get exposed to playing the different styles of the various conferences which helps them. Obviously right now we can only aspire to being compared to MSU's program. We just need to get into the tournament!

[waterhead]

As a hypothetical...if MSU were to schedule 2 top 25 teams and 2 top 50 teams in OOC and then play 3 each in conference...then we schedule all cup cakes...but get 5 top 25's and 5 top 50's in conference...just how is it that they become "more prepared" for the NCAA tourney than us?

For a team trying to rebuild it's reputation...scheduling tougher OOC games can do one of two things. It can prepare you a tiny bit better for conference play...or it can be the reason you don't make the dance. If we make the dance this year...I would like to see a little better OOC schedule. If we make it again next year with a better result...I would like to see the OOC schedule get a little tougher again. Unless we are a top 5 team I don't see a reason to go overboard with OOC games given our brutal conference schedule.

[MDW79]

It may be fun for the participants but for the rest of us it gets pretty boring after the second or third exchange of artillery. The problem is no minds are being changed and as the arguments go on harsher and harsher language is directed at each other.

As evidence look at the post directly above yours.

I can, with 100% confidence, say it is NOT fun for all of the participates. It's more like, "Are you freaking kidding me? What the.. Oh, I can't reply to this quick enough." :D

Seriously, I never attacked anyone but may have certainly went overboard attacking the ideas/statement. And I do know that can really suck to read through.

Fwiw, thanks for a little backup Who Dey. I do normally try to be respectful and didn't think i was being too bad.

I have used the ignore function, it's over and done. Sorry for the derailing.

[Best Body]

Playing a tough out of conference schedule does not prepare you for your tough conference schedule, and playing a tough conference schedule does not prepare you for the NCAA Tourney, such theories are nothing more than urban legends. Schools like Memphis and Syracuse have proven that for years and guys like Andy Katz have researched it and the research has shown those theories to be poppy cock.

Fine, Play someone decent for pride, or for entertainment purposes then. I don't mind a couple tune ups at the beginning of the year, but at this point in the non conference schedule (10 games into the season), I don't see the benefit to pile on some college I've never heard of. To pack 900 people into the building to watch the mismatch? Plus, I am a college sports fan, and there are 10 teams on this schedule that I'm not sure if I ever have heard of the college or not. I don't believe they couldn't get a CUSA or a decent mid major team to come in to play. Having 10 unreasonably poor opponents is a valid reason for people not to buy season tickets, and likely does hurt season ticket sales. And this doesn't even count Miami, WSU, and Depaul :rolleyes:. 2 or 3 "never heard of schools", o.k., but 10 is just weak. I'm not blaming Mick (they did some of this under Huggins, as well) - I don't know who set the schedule. All I'm saying is that it hurts interest in the program.

[Bp4thebest]

The TEAM might be better this season without Deonta (I actually agree with this) but to say that bringing Vaughn to UC was a huge mistake is not living in reality. Deonta was a great Bearcat and had a disappointing senior season which is the reason, in large part, why there was and is criticism of him. Whether that criticism is fair or not depends on how you look at things I guess.

vaughn is a good guy to have when ur on a downslide he won alot of games for us!

[MI Bearcat]

As a hypothetical...if MSU were to schedule 2 top 25 teams and 2 top 50 teams in OOC and then play 3 each in conference...then we schedule all cup cakes...but get 5 top 25's and 5 top 50's in conference...just how is it that they become "more prepared" for the NCAA tourney than us?

For a team trying to rebuild it's reputation...scheduling tougher OOC games can do one of two things. It can prepare you a tiny bit better for conference play...or it can be the reason you don't make the dance. If we make the dance this year...I would like to see a little better OOC schedule. If we make it again next year with a better result...I would like to see the OOC schedule get a little tougher again. Unless we are a top 5 team I don't see a reason to go overboard with OOC games given our brutal conference schedule.

I agree. I don't believe anyone is saying we should be scheduling like MSU. Not even if we do become a top 5 team (although by what I'm reading we have no chance) because of the schedule we have to go through in the BE. However, it would be nice if this years schedule was a little tougher.

[bearcated]

Now its on to the schedule. It's like a retrovirus - keep mutating in a continued attempt to kill the host.The OOC schedule is a joke. UC plays a weaker OOC than freakin' Depaul. At the end of the day, I feel like I'm paying (and paying top dollar) for a BE level program. I expect a schedule worthy of a BE team.

If there is all this improvement, everything is so much better, etc etc etc, then why schedule down so far? I have to sit through November and December and the best home game I get is freakin' Wright State? That's wrong. I'm a fan of the sport. I want to see some quality games. This is all crap.

[BearcatAlum1]

Hysterical. Keep it up boys.

[BearcatAlum1]

The OOC schedule is a joke. UC plays a weaker OOC than freakin' Depaul. At the end of the day, I feel like I'm paying (and paying top dollar) for a BE level program. I expect a schedule worthy of a BE team.

If there is all this improvement, everything is so much better, etc etc etc, then why schedule down so far? I have to sit through November and December and the best home game I get is freakin' Wright State? That's wrong. I'm a fan of the sport. I want to see some quality games. This is all crap.

Let's not act like our home OOC schedule over the last 3-4 years has been loaded with big-time games.

On the bright side, you get X this year.

Syracuse fans typically pack the Carrier Dome (20,000+) for games against nobodies.

This is how scheduling works for a school in our position. It sucks, but it's reality.

[bearcatbbllfn]

As a hypothetical...if MSU were to schedule 2 top 25 teams and 2 top 50 teams in OOC and then play 3 each in conference...then we schedule all cup cakes...but get 5 top 25's and 5 top 50's in conference...just how is it that they become "more prepared" for the NCAA tourney than us?

For a team trying to rebuild it's reputation...scheduling tougher OOC games can do one of two things. It can prepare you a tiny bit better for conference play...or it can be the reason you don't make the dance. If we make the dance this year...I would like to see a little better OOC schedule. If we make it again next year with a better result...I would like to see the OOC schedule get a little tougher again. Unless we are a top 5 team I don't see a reason to go overboard with OOC games given our brutal conference schedule.

Any team with a winning BE record is in unless they lose all of their ooc games. If we lose 2 or more of the cup cake games, and go 8-8 in BE, it could spell trouble. We have never played tough pre-conferene schedule except for the teams at special events and in season tournaments. Look at the 2000-20005 schedules. This was before going into CONF USA play. Most tough matchups were in those tournaments. besides that, the same old same old matchups.

12/30/00 Gund Arena (Cleveland, OH) Toledo 69, Cincinnati 66
12/28/00 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 65, UNC Wilmington 55
12/22/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 77, Alabama 74
12/21/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 88, Clemson 80

12/20/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 74, Youngstown State 65
12/16/00 Thomas & Mack Center (Las Vegas, NV) Cincinnati 90, UNLV 72
12/14/00 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Xavier 69, Cincinnati 67
12/11/00 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 97, Oakland 58
11/29/00 UD Arena (Dayton, Ohio) Cincinnati 82, Dayton 75
11/25/00 Indianapolis, Indiana Notre Dame 69, Cincinnati 51
11/21/00 Shoemaker Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 79, Marshall 75
11/18/00 Shoemaker Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 73, Boise State 61

12/29/01 Cleveland, Ohio (Gund Arena) Cincinnati 73, Akron 57
12/22/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 79, Purdue 62
12/21/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 90, Mississippi State 56
12/20/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 102, Louisiana-Monroe 66
12/17/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 77, Richmond 46
12/14/01 Cintas Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 75, Xavier 55 Box score
12/10/01 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 68, Toledo 55
12/08/01 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 90, Coppin State 39
12/01/01 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 74, Duquesne 41
11/28/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 77, Dayton 55
11/24/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 74, UNLV 61
11/20/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 83, Wright State 54
11/16/01 Stillwater, Okla. (Gallagher-Iba Arena) Oklahoma State 69, Cincinnati 62

01/02/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 81, Chattanooga 51

12/28/02 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 66, Miami 54
12/22/02 Civic Center of Anderson, SC Clemson 58, Cincinnati 51
12/17/02 East Rutherford, NJ Cincinnati 77, Oregon 52
12/14/02 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 65, LaSalle 62
12/07/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Xavier 50, Cincinnati 44
12/01/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 76, Valparaiso 50
11/30/02 Dayton, Ohio (UD Arena) Dayton 75, Cincinnati 69
11/26/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 80, Florida A&M 53
11/23/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 54, Tennessee Tech 48

12/30/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 102, Elon 63
12/27/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 83, Miami (OH) 63
12/23/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 82, Dayton 53
12/20/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 89, Middle Tennessee 54
12/17/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 79, Clemson 56
12-02-03 Valparaiso, IN Cincinnati 68, Valparaiso 49
11/29/03 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Coppin State 56
11/24/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 89, Oakland 60
11/22/03 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Akron 66

12/31/04 Las Vegas, Nev. (Valley High School) Illinois 67, Cincinnati 45
12/30/04 Las Vegas, Nev. (Valley High School) Cincinnati 95, Longwood 69
12/27/04 Cincinnati, OH (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 77, Miami (Ohio) 53
12/22/04 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 84, La Salle 63
12/20/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 95, Jackson State 43
12/18/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 81, Northwestern St. (LA) 65
12/11/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 61, Detroit 44
12/09/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Vanderbilt 72
12/04/04 UD Arena Cincinnati 65, Dayton 55
11/27/04 Indianapolis, Ind. Cincinnati 79, Purdue 59
11/24/04 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Northern Iowa 70
11/19/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Valparaiso 70

12/30/05 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) 105, North Carolina A&T 69
12/28/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 75, Miami (Ohio) 65
12/23/05 Las Vegas, NV, Valley HS Cincinnati 75, Louisiana State 72
12/22/05 Las Vegas, NV Cincinnati 81, Dayton 63
12/19/05 Fifth Third Arena Cincinnati 84, Arkansas-Monticello 63
12/17/05 Fifth Third Arena Cincinnati 105, Tennessee Tech 62
12/14/05 Fifth Third Arena (Cincinnati, Ohio) Cincinnati 86, Ohio 58
12/10/05 Memorial Gym, Nashville, TN Cincinnati 92, Vanderbilt 83
12/3/05 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Memphis 91, Cincinnati 81
11/29/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Dayton 75, Cincinnati 66 Box
11/25/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 77, Holy Cross 55
11/22/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Illinois State 59
11/19/05 Fifth Third Arena, Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 79, Murray State 75

[bearcats011]

Cats 79
wolverines 54

[BearcatAlum1]

^ Thanks. I truly appreciate the effort and time it took to provide this post. Good $hit.

[bearcatbbllfn]

Damn! all those games lined up in order in preview before it posted. there all there if you sift through it.

[BearcatAlum1]

03-05 were great home games at 5/3rd Arena! Gosh, I can't wait until we can schedule like those glory days!!!!!!!


C'mon people. Get a grip.

My praise was meant for "bearcatbbllfn." Good stuff to bring SOME FACTS to the discussion.

[Bearcat Cafe]

Longtimer, I find it convenient that you forget that BC has been to every home game but 1 this year and also donated to UCATS even though he didn't buy season tickets.

Convenient, but not surprising.Aw man. Mr Bearcat is that Longtimer guy? LMFAO!

Thanks. Real time saver going forward. :)

[MDW79]

How do I not remember losing to Toledo to open '00 season?

Given the score, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we gave the ball to Satt as time was close to expire, and clank...

[Bp4thebest]

I know oregon st lost to this team. not saying we are not as good as em.. but if we dont come to play we could have ourselves a game they have won four strait

[bearcatbbllfn]

03-05 were great home games at 5/3rd Arena! Gosh, I can't wait until we can schedule like those glory days!!!!!!!


C'mon people. Get a grip.

My praise was meant for "bearcatbbllfn." Good stuff to bring SOME FACTS to the discussion.

HAHA! No kidding. That why I had to post it. So we can seperate fact from fiction.

[BearcatAlum1]

I know oregon st lost to this team. not saying we are not as good as em.. but if we dont come to play we could have ourselves a game they have won four strait

Really? From the complaining in this thread, I thought we were playing small, pubescent, blind and deaf kids.

So, this begs the question: if we scheduled Oregon State instead of the Wolverines, would people be happy we were kicking the $hit out of a terrible BCS team that lost on their home floor?

[bearcatbbllfn]

How do I not remember losing to Toledo to open '00 season?

Given the score, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we gave the ball to Satt as time was close to expire, and clank...

I was at the game and thought that we won on a buzzer beater. Grant it was 10yrs ago lol, hopefully a typo.

[BearcatAlum1]

HAHA! No kidding. That why I had to post it. So we can seperate fact from fiction.

And to futher "rain on a parade," the big-time BCS matchups against "name opponents" were in tournaments throughout the year!

Guess what folks!? That's what we do now! Nothing has changed!

[Carin's Dad]

And the score against Utah Valley will be................?????

[MDW79]

I think your right. I was at the game and I remembered something on those lines too. Grant it was 10yrs ago lol, hopefully a typo.

I blame Satt either way. He had a minimum of 475 costly game changing bricks that year. :)

[Best Body]

Really? From the complaining in this thread, I thought we were playing small, pubescent, blind and deaf kids.

So, this begs the question: if we scheduled Oregon State instead of the Wolverines, would people be happy we were kicking the $hit out of a terrible BCS team that lost on their home floor?

Actually, I would feel better if I'd heard of the college, even if they $uck.

[ralph1950]

Let's not act like our home OOC schedule over the last 3-4 years has been loaded with big-time games.

On the bright side, you get X this year.

Syracuse fans typically pack the Carrier Dome (20,000+) for games against nobodies.

This is how scheduling works for a school in our position. It sucks, but it's reality.

What is so bright about having XU at 5/3rd this year? XU is awful, lost to a bad Miami team, had to go to triple OT to beat Wofford at home, had to go to OT to beat IPFW at home.

[MDW79]

And to futher "rain on a parade," the big-time BCS matchups against "name opponents" were in tournaments throughout the year!

Guess what folks!? That's what we do now! Nothing has changed!

Yup, goes back way further than that too. These are a few more off the top of my head, so forgive me if I fudge some.

Great Alaska Shootout - Duke '98
7up Shootout - Cal (With Jason Kidd) Us (Fortson and Flint) '94?
7 up Shootout Arizona (Lutes 400th win on a banked 50 footer from Miles Simon) '96?

If we had a big OOC win it was most likely a.) either in a tourney b.) against an overrated UNLV team that had Shawn Marion (I'll take Pete Mickael) :D

[Mr. Bearcat]

Any team with a winning BE record is in unless they lose all of their ooc games. If we lose 2 or more of the cup cake games, and go 8-8 in BE, it could spell trouble. We have never played tough pre-conferene schedule except for the teams at special events and in season tournaments. Look at the 2000-20005 schedules. This was before going into CONF USA play. Most tough matchups were in those tournaments. besides that, the same old same old matchups.

12/30/00 Gund Arena (Cleveland, OH) Toledo 69, Cincinnati 66
12/28/00 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 65, UNC Wilmington 55
12/22/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 77, Alabama 74 12/21/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 88, Clemson 80 12/20/00 Guerra Sports Complex (Bayamon, PR) Cincinnati 74, Youngstown State 65
12/16/00 Thomas & Mack Center (Las Vegas, NV) Cincinnati 90, UNLV 72 12/14/00 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Xavier 69, Cincinnati 67 12/11/00 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 97, Oakland 58
11/29/00 UD Arena (Dayton, Ohio) Cincinnati 82, Dayton 75
11/25/00 Indianapolis, Indiana Notre Dame 69, Cincinnati 51
11/21/00 Shoemaker Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 79, Marshall 75 11/18/00 Shoemaker Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 73, Boise State 61

12/29/01 Cleveland, Ohio (Gund Arena) Cincinnati 73, Akron 57
12/22/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 79, Purdue 62
12/21/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 90, Mississippi State 56
12/20/01 Las Vegas, NV (Valley High School) Cincinnati 102, Louisiana-Monroe 66
12/17/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 77, Richmond 46 12/14/01 Cintas Center, Cincinnati, OH Cincinnati 75, Xavier 55 Box score
12/10/01 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 68, Toledo 55 12/08/01 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 90, Coppin State 39 12/01/01 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 74, Duquesne 41
11/28/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 77, Dayton 55
11/24/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 74, UNLV 61
11/20/01 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 83, Wright State 54 11/16/01 Stillwater, Okla. (Gallagher-Iba Arena) Oklahoma State 69, Cincinnati 62

01/02/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 81, Chattanooga 51 12/28/02 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 66, Miami 54
12/22/02 Civic Center of Anderson, SC Clemson 58, Cincinnati 51
12/17/02 East Rutherford, NJ Cincinnati 77, Oregon 52
12/14/02 Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 65, LaSalle 62
12/07/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Xavier 50, Cincinnati 44 12/01/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 76, Valparaiso 50 11/30/02 Dayton, Ohio (UD Arena) Dayton 75, Cincinnati 69
11/26/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 80, Florida A&M 53 11/23/02 Cincinnati, OH (Shoemaker Center) Cincinnati 54, Tennessee Tech 48

12/30/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 102, Elon 63
12/27/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 83, Miami (OH) 63
12/23/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 82, Dayton 53
12/20/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 89, Middle Tennessee 54
12/17/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 79, Clemson 56
12-02-03 Valparaiso, IN Cincinnati 68, Valparaiso 49
11/29/03 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Coppin State 56
11/24/03 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 89, Oakland 60
11/22/03 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Akron 66

12/31/04 Las Vegas, Nev. (Valley High School) Illinois 67, Cincinnati 45 12/30/04 Las Vegas, Nev. (Valley High School) Cincinnati 95, Longwood 69 12/27/04 Cincinnati, OH (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 77, Miami (Ohio) 53 12/22/04 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 84, La Salle 63
12/20/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 95, Jackson State 43
12/18/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 81, Northwestern St. (LA) 65
12/11/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 61, Detroit 44 12/09/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Vanderbilt 72 12/04/04 UD Arena Cincinnati 65, Dayton 55
11/27/04 Indianapolis, Ind. Cincinnati 79, Purdue 59
11/24/04 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Northern Iowa 70 11/19/04 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 88, Valparaiso 70

12/30/05 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) 105, North Carolina A&T 69 12/28/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (U.S. Bank Arena) Cincinnati 75, Miami (Ohio) 65 12/23/05 Las Vegas, NV, Valley HS Cincinnati 75, Louisiana State 72 12/22/05 Las Vegas, NV Cincinnati 81, Dayton 63
12/19/05 Fifth Third Arena Cincinnati 84, Arkansas-Monticello 63
12/17/05 Fifth Third Arena Cincinnati 105, Tennessee Tech 62
12/14/05 Fifth Third Arena (Cincinnati, Ohio) Cincinnati 86, Ohio 58 12/10/05 Memorial Gym, Nashville, TN Cincinnati 92, Vanderbilt 83
12/3/05 Cincinnati, OH (Fifth Third Arena) Memphis 91, Cincinnati 81 11/29/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Dayton 75, Cincinnati 66 Box 11/25/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 77, Holy Cross 55 11/22/05 Cincinnati, Ohio (Fifth Third Arena) Cincinnati 76, Illinois State 59
11/19/05 Fifth Third Arena, Cincinnati, Ohio Cincinnati 79, Murray State 75

Really? Are you seriously looking at these games and saying they are somewhat close to this year's schedule? You are kidding right? The majority of these games are many notches above this years's schedule. There are a few 5-star cupcakes here, but there's no comparison whatsoever in these teams and this year's schedule.

[catsfan32]

What is so bright about having XU at 5/3rd this year? XU is awful, lost to a bad Miami team, had to go to triple OT to beat Wofford at home, had to go to OT to beat IPFW at home.

Not to defend X (**** must freeze over before I do that), but I don't think Miami is a bad team. They are going to compete in a mediocre MAC this year and they have a good chance of winning it with how little competition there is in the MAC. 3 of their 5 loses were against top 25 teams, the other being a close game against Dayton. We all should hope that Miami is going to have a good year (after we beat them of course). As for X, they can lose every game as far as I'm concerned, I don't care if it doesn't help our SOS.

[Mr. Bearcat]

What is so bright about having XU at 5/3rd this year? XU is awful, lost to a bad Miami team, had to go to triple OT to beat Wofford at home, had to go to OT to beat IPFW at home.

What did they do against the Big East team they played on the road Ralph...and the Big Ten team they played?

[catsfan32]

Really? Are you seriously looking at these games and saying they are somewhat close to this year's schedule? You are kidding right? The majority of these games are many notches above this years's schedule. There are a few 5-star cupcakes here, but there's no comparison whatsoever in these teams and this year's schedule.

Are we looking at the same games? Other than early season tourney's our schedules looked about the same to this year (because we didn't play in one this year remember). Man some people are thinkheaded.

[waterhead]

I am so glad someone brought up OOC SOS. It's about time. I am surprised it hadn't been mentioned yet...let alone at least once in every thread and before and after every single game. It's both fresh and unique. Kudos on the detective work and thinking outside the box. By the way, I just did a little more research and found out that our team had a "melt down" in the last 6 games the last 3 years. Does anyone else think that also should be an item of discussion?

[Mr. Bearcat]

Are we looking at the same games? Other than early season tourney's our schedules looked about the same to this year (because we didn't play in one this year remember). Man some people are thinkheaded.

There was a time when our national profile resulted in lots of tournaments and made for TV national games. Now, we can't even get televised locally. We certainly can't attract national TV games. And, getting accepted into prestigious tournaments is probably difficult. Thats all part of scheduling. Why exactly are we discounting the tournament games?

[Lobot]

Are we looking at the same games? Other than early season tourney's our schedules looked about the same to this year (because we didn't play in one this year remember). Man some people are thinkheaded.

Actually we did play an exempt tourney this year. That is why the Dayton game was at US Bank. The opponents were IPFW, Savannah St, Dayton, and Florida A+M. So for those who look at all the heavyweights we played in tournaments in past year . This thing doesn't hold a candle to it. Unfotunately you can't play Maui every year.

[MI Bearcat]

Are we looking at the same games? Other than early season tourney's our schedules looked about the same to this year (because we didn't play in one this year remember). Man some people are thinkheaded.

That's the point. Normally you enter a tourney with a few good teams OR schedule a few decent teams, we did neither this year. As far as I'm concerned, this schedule (or the hopeful zero or one loss record as the result of this schedule) will help us get into the tournament which is the main goal this year. However, you can't complain about low attendance when you play this type of schedule. With many of these teams, you would be hard pressed to get the casual fan to even watch the game on TV.

[BearcatAlum1]

I thought the rule was 1 tourney every 3 season...??? Maybe I'm wrong?

[Not Guilty]

I thought the rule was 1 tourney every 3 season...??? Maybe I'm wrong?

I think that rule is gone. But only one team from each conference is allowed in each tournament. There are 16 Big East teams, so not every team can play in a tournament every year. We went to Maui last year and weren't in one this year, which is why we created that mini-event with Dayton.

[Bearcat Cafe]

Puerto Rico or one of the other island tournies are possibly in the works for 11-12.

[catsfan32]

That's the point. Normally you enter a tourney with a few good teams OR schedule a few decent teams, we did neither this year. As far as I'm concerned, this schedule (or the hopeful zero or one loss record as the result of this schedule) will help us get into the tournament which is the main goal this year. However, you can't complain about low attendance when you play this type of schedule. With many of these teams, you would be hard pressed to get the casual fan to even watch the game on TV.

Seeing as we played in the Maui last year, I don't know how the scheduling goes for tournaments but I do know only one team per conference per tournament. Seeing as a ton of BEAST teams played in tourney's this year, how realistic was it we were going to play in a nice early season tourney? I'm just wondering, did these beast teams already commit to these tourneys so in turn we couldnt get into one and had to make up our own?

[ralph1950]

What did they do against the Big East team they played on the road Ralph...and the Big Ten team they played?

They beat a bad Seton Hall team playing without Jeremy Hazell on a neutral court and a very bad going to finish last in the Big 10 Iowa team. They lost to a very bad Miami team.

[bearcatbbllfn]

I am so glad someone brought up OOC SOS. It's about time. I am surprised it hadn't been mentioned yet...let alone at least once in every thread and before and after every single game. It's both fresh and unique. Kudos on the detective work and thinking outside the box. By the way, I just did a little more research and found out that our team had a "melt down" in the last 6 games the last 3 years. Does anyone else think that also should be an item of discussion?

The only thing I want is a winning season. I don't want to dwell or deliberate on last year or the year before. I just want a winning season this year. Could you imagine if some of these fans had a chance to talk to the players directly and were honest to their true colors like on here? Sorry Rashad, your coach sucks, you guy's can't shoot, you havent played no one, etc... Don't take it personal. I just can't support you guy's until the program concedes to my demands and you guy's win first. I dont think the players would feel like their fans at all. My message to them would be clear. I believe you can do it. I'm excited, hopeful and I got your back. That's where my mindset is.

[Bearcat Cafe]

These players are busting their tails and deserve better, IMO.

Maybe we can get a big board inside The Shoe where fans in the 513 area code can IM their support from their couches during games to show the players they are in their corner? ;)

"Sorry, forgot the game was tonight. You look great!"

"Hit a freaking free throw..."

"Keep up the great effort. Your schedule sucks."

"Don't have ESPN 3 but it sounds like the press is working"

A breakthrough in new media where the fans don't have to expend much energy. Home run, I'm telling you.

[waterhead]

The only thing I want is a winning season. I don't want to dwell or deliberate on last year or the year before. I just want a winning season this year. Could you imagine if some of these fans had a chance to talk to the players directly and were honest to their true colors like on here? Sorry Rashad, your coach sucks, you guy's can't shoot, you havent played no one, etc... Don't take it personal. I just can't support you guy's until the program concedes to my demands and you guy's win first. I dont think the players would feel like their fans at all. My message to them would be clear. I believe you can do it. I'm excited, hopeful and I got your back. That's where my mindset is.

As many concerns and doubts as I may have...that is exactly where I am at.

Even if our coach and players can't find a way to get it done...do they deserve to be lambasted for it? I don't think so. You just say...thanks for the effort...but I think it is time we have to move in a different direction. No hard feelings. Personal attacks will not change past results...and it speaks more to the character of the attacker than the attackees.

[bearcatbbllfn]

As many concerns and doubts as I may have...that is exactly where I am at.

Even if our coach and players can't find a way to get it done...do they deserve to be lambasted for it? I don't think so. You just say...thanks for the effort...but I think it is time we have to move in a different direction. No hard feelings. Personal attacks will not change past results...and it speaks more to the character of the attacker than the attackees.

Fair enough. There a whole season left to play. Dont give up on them this year until it tanks first. We dont know what we have until it plays out. So far so good. regardless of the past, schedule strength, or whatever. Lets hope for a great season and see what we get. We need everyones support.

[waterhead]

Just so you know the original post you responed to from me was complete and utter sarcasm because of how often those issues get brought up time and time again. You may have figured that out...but this is FYI so you know that I am in total agreement with you.

I will always support the team. I am optimistic that our coach is a good one and has made some important changes in his approach this year...so he has my support as well for as long as he's got it headed in a positive direction. I think this year we will be able to tell a little better if he has reached his potential or if there is reason to believe his potential has yet to be reached.

[binturong07]

just curious... who do you think schedules the games?

Assistant coaches and Mikey Thomas....although certainly Mick has say into the proccess and approves the games, he doesnt do the scheduling.

[Best Body]

I guess I was first to hijack this thread from the prediction about the game into the schedule war. Sorry about that.

[Lobot]

Chris Goggin does the scheduling