Seton Hall Prediction/Pregame Thread

[Carin's Dad]

Before last night KenPom had the probability of beating the Hall at 76% with a projected score of 72-64. Incidentally for Pomeroy haters, he had the score projected as 77-58 for last nights game. Actual 76-60.

Robinson and Theodore lead the scoring but they're pretty balanced. Herb Pope is the big man. They're pretty weak on their offensive boards. Don't shoot anything very well.

[jkwuc89]

There best player is still out and will now be out even longer after being shot (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bkc_seton_hall_hazell). Without Hazell, Seton Hall just isn't very good. If UC comes out the same energy and passion they showed yesterday after being down early 6 - 1, this one should be pretty much over by half time.

UC - 74
Seton Hall - 60

[BearcatAlum1]

There best player is still out and will now be out even longer after being shot (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bkc_seton_hall_hazell). Without Hazell, Seton Hall just isn't very good. If UC comes out the same energy and passion they showed yesterday after being down early 6 - 1, this one should be pretty much over by half time.

UC - 74
Seton Hall - 60

Disagree that it could be over by halftime.

DePaul can win games and lose games with their style...undisciplined, chuck 3s, etc.

They could get out to a very big lead, but could just as easily let it slip. I think we can control the game from the start IF we come out of the gate fast. We should be able to dictate tempo, but Theodore is a solid guard. We should be able to run on these guys, as they don't get back in a hurry.

[MDW79]

Disagree that it could be over by halftime.

DePaul can win games and lose games with their style...undisciplined, chuck 3s, etc.

They could get out to a very big lead, but could just as easily let it slip. I think we can control the game from the start IF we come out of the gate fast. We should be able to dictate tempo, but Theodore is a solid guard. We should be able to run on these guys, as they don't get back in a hurry.

Wait, I'm confused. You mean Seton Hall, when describing their style, right? Otherwise, I'm not following the reference.

And why disagree that it COULD be over by halftime? I'm maybe thinking that the "disagree" must be a typo b/c in reading your analysis, none of it sounds that complimentary of SH. Either way, valid points...

All in all, without Hazell this team is not that great. I would say they're clearly a bottom 1/4 BE team. I don't see any reason why us building a comfortable lead by halftime would be out of the question. I think we win this by double digits.


UC-71
SH-59

[JDBEARCAT]

UC 72
SH 66
Maybe closer than we think. I'm hoping for a blowout.

[CallTheWahbulance]

Cincy wins by 25. But Larry Davis will return to form going 0-7 from the 3 point line and fouling out with 12 minutes to go in the game.

[Bearcat Bounce]

71-60 Cats!

[Thegreatone]

72-64

I am KenPom btw.

[Panamacat]

Angry cats 71
Pirates 57

[Who Dey Time]

DO NOT look ahead to Eggs-avier! Seton Hall is not a better team than UC but they do have some guys (Pope, Theodore, Robinson) that can cause problems.

Having said that, the 'Cats should be able to avenge last year's loss.

UC 71
Seton Hall 61

[BearcatAlum1]

Wait, I'm confused. You mean Seton Hall, when describing their style, right? Otherwise, I'm not following the reference.

And why disagree that it COULD be over by halftime? I'm maybe thinking that the "disagree" must be a typo b/c in reading your analysis, none of it sounds that complimentary of SH. Either way, valid points...

All in all, without Hazell this team is not that great. I would say they're clearly a bottom 1/4 BE team. I don't see any reason why us building a comfortable lead by halftime would be out of the question. I think we win this by double digits.


UC-71
SH-59

Yes. I meant Seton Hall, not DePaul.

I don't think it will be over by halftime b/c Seton Hall has the ability to come back from a 20 point deficit, whereas DePaul does not have the talent to do so. We may have the same type of lead at halftime, but the game will definitely not be over.....whereas the DePaul game was over at half.

[catscratchfever]

well my 74-60 prediction last night was one Larry Davis open jumper with 20 sec left from being dead on (why didn't he dribble the d@mn clock out)

that said, i'm going 75-64 'Cats over Seton Hall

[BigDaddyCornHusker]

UC 81
Seton Hall 64

[BearcatAlum1]

For those interested, we're predicted to beat X by more than Seton Hall......Hall is no cakewalk.

[Bearcat Cafe]

Hall still has some fangs. Pope, Robinson & Theodore are players.

And this is a team UC has struggled against since AK was coach. Best not look past them to the X game or there could be some long faces ringing in the New Year.

FWIW, anyone else notice how tough of a game Providence gave Cuse on Cuse's home floor last night?

[BearcatAlum1]

Hall still has some fangs. Pope, Robinson & Theodore are players.

And this is a team UC has struggled against since AK was coach. Best not look past them to the X game or there could be some long faces ringing in the New Year.

FWIW, anyone else notice how tough of a game Providence gave Cuse on Cuse's home floor last night?

Yes. I watched the second half. Providence impressed. Not much size, but their style is exciting.

BTW, chatter on Seton Hall boards is that they will play a bunch of zone defense in the BE....which we can expect on Friday.

[Helicopter]

Bearcats are riding high. They will maul Seton Hall.
78 - 59

[Panamacat]

FWIW, anyone else notice how tough of a game Providence gave Cuse on Cuse's home floor last night?

Also noticed how well Providence played. Was hoping for an upset to even out the BEast race. We play them away, and are currently only favored by 1.

I don't see this team looking ahead too far given their lowly ranking and the way they are responding to the coaches. There is more danger in the cats playing down to Xavier's level. I think they know that a much bigger carrot is dangling in front of them (tourney) if they can keep dominating their BEast opponents, one by one.

[CallTheWahbulance]

I look at the schedule and realistically see a final record of 24-7 by beating only teams we should an beating 1 team currently in the top 25... that's 11-7 in the BE. I guess my point is, take care of business from here on out, we could realistically get no marquee wins and easily get into the big dance, likely though our seeding would be altered a bit due to the fact we'd have no big wins.

[bearcatbret]

The team and the coaches are saying all of the right things. I certainly hope that they do not overlook either of the next two games. As an article posted by one of our members, broke the Beast down into 3 groups. The great, the good, and the bad. It stated that if UC can beat all of the bad teams and take three from the good group, they will be in the tourney.

[DBSUC1982]

UC 62
Pirates 55

[STKohls]

Also noticed how well Providence played. Was hoping for an upset to even out the BEast race. We play them away, and are currently only favored by 1...

I don't ever root for upsets in-conference unless it's a bottom-feeder upsetting a mid-table team. UC is going to be fighting Providence for one of the last Big East spots, not Syracuse. The last thing I'd want in March is for Providence to have that win over Syracuse in the Dome on their resume.

[MDW79]

For those interested, we're predicted to beat X by more than Seton Hall......Hall is no cakewalk.

By who? I'm guessing Ken Pom?

Don't get me wrong I think on paper we should crush X, and maybe we will. I wouldn't be shocked, being that X looks like garbage. But I'm not sure how one would predict the margin should be greater than Seton Hall. 1.) X BEAT Seton Hall. 2.)X's RPI, 39, Seton Hall's, 150. 3.) (Obvious) It is the Crosstown Shootout.

I do think both teams are simply average, and both will be outside looking in coming tourney time. I just don't know how X would be more likely to be the bigger win, especially considering the head to head result.

Either way, yeah we definitely can't sleep on SH. As long as we don't play stupid, and we play hard, I think we win this running away, at home.

[Thegreatone]

I am KenPom

[BearcatAlum1]

Some of you are chalking up victories at St. Johns and Providence when those will be very tough games.

[Panamacat]

I don't ever root for upsets in-conference unless it's a bottom-feeder upsetting a mid-table team. UC is going to be fighting Providence for one of the last Big East spots, not Syracuse. The last thing I'd want in March is for Providence to have that win over Syracuse in the Dome on their resume.

I hear ya......but I've drunk a little too much kool-aid this morning and am speculating what might happen if a few of the NCAA-lock BEast teams this year stumble.....where might the BEast title land? You saw how much of a crapshoot the FB league was this year in the final few weeks.

[ME80]

I hope some of you are right but I do not believe the next two games will be even close to blowouts.

[Thegreatone]

I hope some of you are right but I do not believe the next two games will be even close to blowouts.

Agreed. Seton Hall will be desperate to get to 2-0 in Big East play. I hope we aren't cocky. Win 2 of the next 3 game and I am happy.

[JerseySean]

Confidence is getting better. Crowds are getting bigger. Competition still not "A" caliber. UC wins 76 - 50. Best defense in the country...

[ME80]

Confidence is getting better. Crowds are getting bigger. Competition still not "A" caliber. UC wins 76 - 50. Best defense in the country...

I have definately been impressed with the energy of the team and the defensive effort but we have yet to play a team that is as physical as us. At some point a team will be hitting the open 3's/shots that the press allows and it will be gut check time. I still think a team that has quick guards will give us fits and we will then have to back off on the press. I will hold my tongue on ranking the defense until the end of January.

[JerseySean]

I have definately been impressed with the energy of the team and the defensive effort but we have yet to play a team that is as physical as us. At some point a team will be hitting the open 3's/shots that the press allows and it will be gut check time. I still think a team that has quick guards will give us fits and we will then have to back off on the press. I will hold my tongue on ranking the defense until the end of January.

Yup... agree. But a boy can dream, can't he?

[ME80]

Yup... agree. But a boy can dream, can't he?

Of course! :D I hope it happens, just don't expect it

[Carin's Dad]

Seton Hall has as much chance of beating us as we do beating Nova. That being said I expect us to give Nova a good game and I expect the Hall to give us a good game. 72-60

[bg703]

UC 69
Seton Hall 60

This game will be tougher than some are suggesting. Seton Hall has trouble scoring with Hazell injured and that should be the difference in the game. But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'm sure West Virginia fans thought they would easily dispose of St. John's last night.

The only teams who are truly overmatched this year in the Big East are DePaul, USF and maybe Rutgers. Seton Hall has 6 losses but owns a neutral court victory over Alabama and their losses are all against respectable teams (Temple, Xavier, Clemson, Arkansas, Dayton and Richmond). Seton Hall will play UC tough but the Bearcats should wear down the Pirates with their defense.

[cmm27]

If the final margin of victory is only nine points I will be disappointed because the Bearcats should hand Seton Hall a 12+ point defeat.

[Thewhiteboy]

Uc 76
Sh 70
or
Sh 70
Uc 63
or
Uc 76
Sh 55

Does any body know the betting line?

[waterhead]

68-54 Cats win. I don't see us overlooking this game for X with almost a week to prepare. We can go undefeated into 2011. It's NYE. It's at home. Our players still have a chip on their shoulder for not being ranked. If we come out lazy...I would be shocked.

[juckerrules]

For those interested, we're predicted to beat X by more than Seton Hall......Hall is no cakewalk.

Weird, since X already beat Seton Hall, but I think SH is basically about equal to Oklahoma, so I'm going to say Cats 69-60

[Deaf_Bearcat]

Uc 71
Sh 61

[juckerrules]

Some of you are chalking up victories at St. Johns and Providence when those will be very tough games.

I've rethought the St John's game - looked like a cakewalk when they lost to Fordham and St. Bonaventure, but beating WV by 10 got my attention...still think we're better, but not a blowout

[bearcatbret]

Here is to all of Bearcat Nation bringing in a happy New Year. Go Cats by double digits.