Yancy Gates draft projections

[GoBearcats31]

Second round, #23 http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

Second round, #17 http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft


Worth noting that Gates was not in either of these mocks one month ago and he wasn't listed on nbadraft.net until today (And is already midway through second round).

[BasketBySteveLogan]

Defense and rebounding along with a soft shooting touch and decent explosiveness around the rim combined with his size should be enough for a team to take a flyer on Yancy.. and put him in the D-League to work on his game.

It's all up to him if he makes it to a roster from there.

If he could bottle the energy/effort he showed on Senior night and the Big East tournament on offense and the glass, I can see him on a team down the road... but right now, he's still a little too timid and shies away from imposing his will.

Mick said in a presser than he's probably a few years away from being who he is as a bball player. Some time in the D-League or overseas could really help his game and if you read his draftexpress profile, the guy talks about his footwork/posture on his jumpshot --- if he can shore that up he definitely has the touch to be a consistent 15-19 foot jumpshooter, which is what an NBA 4-man needs to have.

I hope he puts it together and makes it.

[Binturong05]

The profile in the first link sounds accurate. Interesting to read their rationale for Gates not being consistently aggressive - e.g. he never had to until he entered college due to his immense size and as a result acquired some bad habits including a disposition of not being consitently 'mean' in the post.

Wish him all the best. Would love to have something to care about with respect to the NBA. Sadly, at this time I couldn't care less about professional basketball and the lack of defense in that league.

On a side note, I heard the NBA commissioner said he was in agreement with increasing the restriction to play in the NBA from one year removed from HS to two years. Seems this is in deference to college basketball pressuring the NBA. I hope the NBA does not move to implement this rule and in fact I'd prefer they get rid of the one-year rule and just go back to letting guys enter the draft right out of HS. I see no reason to bar a young man from getting paid for his God given talents and forcing him into indentured servitude at some college where he's going to make a mockery of the 'student' part of the term student athlete. If you're only in school because you can't go to the NBA you certainly aren't there for the education and it's setting up schools and athletic programs for violations by forcing kids to go to college that have no reason to be there other than being prohibited from playing professionally in the NBA.

[Helicopter]

Originally Posted by Binturong05

The profile in the first link sounds accurate. Interesting to read their rationale for Gates not being consistently aggressive - e.g. he never had to until he entered college due to his immense size and as a result acquired some bad habits including a disposition of not being consitently 'mean' in the post.

Wish him all the best. Would love to have something to care about with respect to the NBA. Sadly, at this time I couldn't care less about professional basketball and the lack of defense in that league.

On a side note, I heard the NBA commissioner said he was in agreement with increasing the restriction to play in the NBA from one year removed from HS to two years. Seems this is in deference to college basketball pressuring the NBA. I hope the NBA does not move to implement this rule and in fact I'd prefer they get rid of the one-year rule and just go back to letting guys enter the draft right out of HS. I see no reason to bar a young man from getting paid for his God given talents and forcing him into indentured servitude at some college where he's going to make a mockery of the 'student' part of the term student athlete. If you're only in school because you can't go to the NBA you certainly aren't there for the education and it's setting up schools and athletic programs for violations by forcing kids to go to college that have no reason to be there other than being prohibited from playing professionally in the NBA.

Whoah, who's being forced into "indentured servitude"? If you call $500,000+/year overseas indentured servitude then sign me up.

[Chips]

Originally Posted by Helicopter

Whoah, who's being forced into "indentured servitude"? If you call $500,000+/year overseas indentured servitude then sign me up.

I think he was referring to the time in college as "indentured servitude". Baseball has it right. If you want to go pro out of high school go right ahead, if not, you have to go to college or whatever for three years before you're eligible for the draft.

[Best Body]

Originally Posted by Chips

I think he was referring to the time in college as "indentured servitude". Baseball has it right. If you want to go pro out of high school go right ahead, if not, you have to go to college or whatever for three years before you're eligible for the draft.

I don't agree. Baseball has a very good minor league system. The NBA D league is a joke for big time prospects. MLB can offer a legitimate alternative to college for aspiring pro players with no interest in academics, whereas the NBA cannot. The NBA is essentially using colleges to be the league's minor league system. Unless the NCAA decides to strictly punish programs for one and done players, the NBA wins, and the student athlete concept is threatened.

It should be up to the individual and the college to determine if and for how long the player attends college. Attending college or not should have nothing to do with a persons eligibility to play professional sports. I think if the player wants to leave after any amount of time, he should have no obligation to stay. It seems like everyone wants to go out of their way to protect a few people from finding out there is no place for them in the NBA before they play a few years of college basketball. Most of those kids that tried to go pro right away and failed (or left college early and failed), and became ineligible to play in college (boo hoo) would not have cared about their education at college anyway, and would not have made it in the league after playing college basketball for a couple more years. They just got to move on to whatever else it is they were going to do, sooner. There are only x number of NBA roster spots - having kids stay in school to improve their shot at the NBA is flawed logic. The same number of players get to go the league, anyway.

The NBA had the correct approach before the one and done. No restrictions.
If Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, etc. etc. want to go pro at 18, fine. If a kid grows as a player after one year of college and wants to go pro, fine. Why else make him continue to pretend to be a college student other than to indenture him to a fanbase?

[weez1414]

If your a scout you know what skills he possesses, It's just the huslte factor, and they will make you huslte and give %100 if you want to play if not you can make a great living over seas. But everyone in this city knows he is an athletic freak. Good Luck Big Fella

[DBSUC1982]

Any truth to Kilpatrick "likely entering draft"?
http://nbadraft.net/2012-early-entry-list

[Best Body]

Originally Posted by DBSUC1982

Any truth to Kilpatrick "likely entering draft"?
http://nbadraft.net/2012-early-entry-list

Forget everything I said above! SK should be forced to return & play for UC again.

[GoBearcats31]

Yancy will be participating in the Portsmouth Invitational

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...d-Preview-3885

Top prospects Attending:

Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri
Yancy Gates, Cincinnati
Henry Sims, Georgetown
Herb Pope, Seton Hall
Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin
JaMychal Green, Alabama
John Shurna, Northwestern
Bernard James, Florida State
Kim English, Missouri
Dee Bost, Mississippi St.
Kevin Murphy, Tennessee Tech
Garrett Stutz, Wichita State
Eric Griffin, Campbell
Alex Young, IUPUI
Casper Ware, Long Beach State
Ashton Gibbs, Pittsburgh
Gus Gilchrist, South Florida
Eli Holman, Detroit
Xavier Gibson, Florida State
Kent Bazemore, Old Dominion
Jorge Gutierrez, Cal

[Helicopter]

You keep saying these kids are forced to go to college because of the NBA's rule. That simply isn't true. They can play overseas and make substantial money. Brandon Jennings made this clearly an option.

[Binturong05]

Originally Posted by Helicopter

You keep saying these kids are forced to go to college because of the NBA's rule. That simply isn't true. They can play overseas and make substantial money. Brandon Jennings made this clearly an option.

I believe my exact words were:

the forced participation in collegiate athletics by virtue of the virtual monopoly position the NCAA has on the role of a proxy for a formal and proper minor league farm system

Technically, you're correct in that no one is putting a gun to their heads and forcing them to enroll in college and I conceeded as much when I stated the "virtual monopoly position" of the NCAA. So while a high school athlete is theoretically able to go overseas the path is more cumbersome and it's a steeper hill to climb thereby limiting its practicality and the frequency of occurence.

First, the market for high school talent is not as developed for franchises across the Atlantic as it is for domestic NBA teams and their manifold scouts patroling the nation. I'm not aware that the European teams are actively recruiting high school kids from the time they are sophomores the way colleges are currently doing and we all know the incestuous nature of American college athletics and the pros with many coaches freely moving between both leagues over their careers making many college coaches a de facto scout for the NBA. Second, related to my first point, for all but maybe the top player (I left it singular on purpose) in a given class, the media exposure and hype is likely not significant enough that foreign teams have sufficient awareness of the player's existence, skills, and value making it less likely the athlete will receive fair value for their talents as a result of this informational inefficiency compared to NBA teams that are plugged in with ESPN which is the very same media outlet ranking these players in their top 100 from the time they are in the 10th grade. And third, the human element here is that many of these kids are poor and what the politically correct world refers to as 'disadvantaged.' Many of them haven't left their hometown let alone their country. Therefore, I don't think it's a stretch to say that there's a psychological/emotional barrier prohibitting many of them from considering foreign leagues and this isn't even considering the financial costs of trying to make contact with foreign teams (in the case of Brandon Jennings I'm sure he had a financier, after all he somehow moved out of Compton and crossed the country to attend Oak Hills Prep in Virginia).

In closing, I'm not disagreeing there are other routes to the NBA besides college ball but my position is they are not nearly as practical for the top 10 or so high school athletes that may be deemed pro-ready and are now by default being pressured to enroll in college instead of declaring for the NBA.

[Binturong05]

Stumbled across an article in The Atlantic talking about this very topic. Seems rather apropos at present. Enjoy!

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertain...o-long/255535/

[Best Body]

Originally Posted by Helicopter

You keep saying these kids are forced to go to college because of the NBA's rule. That simply isn't true. They can play overseas and make substantial money. Brandon Jennings made this clearly an option.

Having to go overseas to make a living doing something they should be able to do here is an unfair restriction, and not a viable alternative for some people. Therefore they may just go play college, and totally ignore academics while they are there, as an alternative.

[Chips]

Sorry I checked out for a few days. While I understand the premises presented for not having any restrictions on draft eligibility (I don't entirely disagree), I look at it from a slightly different perspective. The NBA and it's member teams are free employers who can hire whoever they want, based on whatever qualifications they see fit. There goal should be to protect themselves and to put the best possible product of the floor. It is my personal opinion that the MLB model makes sense for a couple reasons.

LaBron is Labron, it wouldn't matter what path he took, his greatness was going to find it's way to the top. He is the exception, and I believe there should be a path for this exception to contribute immediately in the Association.

Without restrictions, executives were taking too many "chances" on kids with potential, resulting in some blown drafts, diluted rosters and lesser teams. Making the borderline talents think twice, should result in a decent portion of them choosing to wait and developing a bit more. Having a deeper pool of more mature and developed players to draft from will result in less "risky" drafts and deeper teams. Excellence will always rise to the top and there will always be great individuals and individual teams. But (again just my opinion) the overall depth of quality player and resulting deeper teams would only make the NBA better.

The side benefit, which I selfishly would like to see, is a deeper pool of talent still in the NCAA, increasing the level of play.

[levydl]

Originally Posted by Chips

Sorry I checked out for a few days. While I understand the premises presented for not having any restrictions on draft eligibility (I don't entirely disagree), I look at it from a slightly different perspective. The NBA and it's member teams are free employers who can hire whoever they want, based on whatever qualifications they see fit. There goal should be to protect themselves and to put the best possible product of the floor. It is my personal opinion that the MLB model makes sense for a couple reasons.

LaBron is Labron, it wouldn't matter what path he took, his greatness was going to find it's way to the top. He is the exception, and I believe there should be a path for this exception to contribute immediately in the Association.

Without restrictions, executives were taking too many "chances" on kids with potential, resulting in some blown drafts, diluted rosters and lesser teams. Making the borderline talents think twice, should result in a decent portion of them choosing to wait and developing a bit more. Having a deeper pool of more mature and developed players to draft from will result in less "risky" drafts and deeper teams. Excellence will always rise to the top and there will always be great individuals and individual teams. But (again just my opinion) the overall depth of quality player and resulting deeper teams would only make the NBA better.

The side benefit, which I selfishly would like to see, is a deeper pool of talent still in the NCAA, increasing the level of play.

The MLB model wouldn't fix the "problem" you identify. The top talent would still come out of high school, since it's clear they can hack it in the NBA (the same isn't true in baseball. The last player to go from high school to the majors was Mike Morgan, 35 years ago. Very few baseball players can even go straight to the majors from college. The MLB-NBA comparison is a poor one). So the risk of apparently incompetent GMs misevaluating high school talent would still exist, and with the prospect of having to go to college for 3 years, I imagine even more players would enter the draft out of high school.

Think of last year's draft, for example. Kyrie Irving played 11 games in college, yet he was the top pick, even coming off an injury. Enes Kanter, the 3rd pick, didn't even play his freshman year before entering the draft. Is there any doubt these two would be high lottery picks out of high school?

[GoBearcats31]

7 points, 9 rebounds tonight in 29 minutes.
http://www.portsmouthinvitational.co...12_Game_5.html

Will go up against 7-footer Garrett Stutz (Wichita) and Ricardo Ratliffe (Mizzou) tomorrow

[Bearcat Otto]

Originally Posted by GoBearcats31

7 points, 9 assists tonight in 29 minutes.
http://www.portsmouthinvitational.co...12_Game_5.html

Will go up against 7-footer Garrett Stutz (Wichita) and Ricardo Ratliffe (Mizzou) tomorrow

9 rebounds

[GoBearcats31]

Originally Posted by Bearcat Otto

9 rebounds

Right, my bad. Fixed.

[GoBearcats31]

Originally Posted by GoBearcats31

7 points, 9 rebounds tonight in 29 minutes.
http://www.portsmouthinvitational.co...12_Game_5.html

Will go up against 7-footer Garrett Stutz (Wichita) and Ricardo Ratliffe (Mizzou) tomorrow

8 points, 7 rebounds in 23 minutes (Loss, will play in 3rd place game tomorrow)
http://portsmouthinvitational.com/bo...12_Game_8.html