Channel 19 news UC Incident?

[Brian H.]

Originally Posted by Thegreatone

I dont know what Force said. I am just using the old noodle to figure it out. If the articles are saying the player is under 21, which it does, it is fair to dicuss the possibilities.

This is what message boards are about. Why are we worried about mentioning names? Are people from around the country or the local news going to pick up Thegreatones post on BCN that Ellis, Shaq and Jermaine seem like the likely underages in the bar?

The problem is everything on the internet is out there for a google search, how would you like it if I every time someone googles your name it comes up in forum posts about a bar fight that you had nothing to do with. This is how long term opinions about players and programs occur. No one ever punched a horse but everyone is sure it happened and who it was.

[OCASCM07]

Let's be perfectly clear on one thing. Who was at the club is not the same as who might have been involved in the alleged altercation or who may have been drinking. Last time I checked being at a club is nothing new to college kids. And I'll be the first to admit I used to drink under age at bars (shocker I know) and was in several fights during my college and high school years.

In the end these are still college kids and I'm prepared to defend any and all of them from unfair attacks on their character because there are a lot of people their age doing much worse things on Saturday nights than what some of them are being accused of doing by a man who has now told FOUR different versions of the story.

[columbus_bearcat]

Originally Posted by OCASCM07

Let's be perfectly clear on one thing. Who was at the club is not the same as who might have been involved in the alleged altercation or who may have been drinking. Last time I checked being at a club is nothing new to college kids. And I'll be the first to admit I used to drink under age at bars (shocker I know) and was in several fights during my college and high school years.

In the end these are still college kids and I'm prepared to defend any and all of them from unfair attacks on their character because they're a lot of people their age doing much worse things on Saturday nights than what some of them are being accused of doing by a man who has now told FOUR different versions of the story.

I can agree with that. However, with the names being out there, I can also see the kids automatically being associated with the alleged altercation even if they had nothing to do with it. Guilt by Association, I think it would be called. Best thing would be for the names not be out there at all. Even if nothing can be proven in this situation, I think everyone assumes something happened.

[Lobot]

Polilce report is apparently out and to summarize:

"subject was punched in the eye by an unknown assailant." That is all.
This will go away unless one of two things happen.
1) Civil suit from McLucas
2) Defamation suit from accused UC player.

[Levittation]

Originally Posted by Lobot

Polilce report is apparently out and to summarize:

"subject was punched in the eye by an unknown assailant." That is all.
This will go away unless one of two things happen.
1) Civil suit from McLucas
2) Defamation suit from accused UC player.

Obviously not much of a story. Let's hope this goes away.

[OCASCM07]

Originally Posted by Levittation

Obviously not much of a story. Let's hope this goes away.

Sooner rather than later. McLucas' mommie and his friends are pretty adimant on Facebok that he sue the player(s) no matter what conclusion the police come to. Good luck suing a college kid who is only there because they have a full ride when you yourself cannot even identify them on a police report. Still waiting for him to say it was a player who wasn't even in town at the time.

[Bearcatfan22]

Originally Posted by OCASCM07

Sooner rather than later. McLucas' mommie and his friends are pretty adimant on Facebok that he sue the player(s) no matter what conclusion the police come to. Good luck suing a college kid who is only there because they have a full ride when you yourself cannot even identify them on a police report. Still waiting for him to say it was a player who wasn't even in town at the time.

I'm not sure who is advising this guy but they really aren't doing him any favors. Not sure what actually happened. His story seems weak at best. His filmed filing of the charges, the attention getting facebook posts, and his overall willingness to share this with everyone that will listen has created so many inconsistencies that a marginally competent lawyer would run him out of court. This will end of costing him money rather than being a big pay day for him.

[OCASCM07]

Looks like at least some of it might be true. Octavius Ellis dismissed from team.

Cronin: "Octavius didn't adhere to the standard of conduct I expect from members of our team. I will work to help him find a fresh start at a new program because I do care very much for him as a person. He can benefit from being in a new environment. That's likely what will help him the best to learn and mature from this."

Ellis: "I regret the mistakes I made this year and I know I need to mature as a person. I want to thank my coaches and teammates for the opportunity I had at UC."

Babcock: "I believe coach Cronin has our program headed in the right direction. I appreciate his leaadership of our young men athletically, academically, and socially."

UC learned that no charges will be filed.

[UcatsRick]

Ellis removed from team for conduct issues. No charges filed. WXIX story has no link between Ellis and Play events. So was Ellis involved? Perhaps. We porbably are not entitled to the details. Trusting Mick on this one.

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by OCASCM07

Looks like at least some of it might be true. Octavius Ellis dismissed from team.

Cronin: "Octavius didn't adhere to the standard of conduct I expect from members of our team. I will work to help him find a fresh start at a new program because I do care very much for him as a person. He can benefit from being in a new environment. That's likely what will help him the best to learn and mature from this."

Ellis: "I regret the mistakes I made this year and I know I need to mature as a person. I want to thank my coaches and teammates for the opportunity I had at UC."

Babcock: "I believe coach Cronin has our program headed in the right direction. I appreciate his leaadership of our young men athletically, academically, and socially."

UC learned that no charges will be filed.

Hahahaha, that is rich. Throwing akid away is helping him? Interesting.

[JDBEARCAT]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Hahahaha, that is rich. Throwing akid away is helping him? Interesting.

?WTF?

[OCASCM07]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Hahahaha, that is rich. Throwing akid away is helping him? Interesting.

What's he supposed to do? Give him a third chance especially after what he stated after the Shootout as well as at the press conference with the players only getting one second chance to prove they should wear a UC uniform? If you recall the first back and forth during the Shootout involved Octavius who was sitting on the bench at the end of the first half getting into it with Lyons. Now both of those players are off their respective teams.

Mick did the right thing here and I think it will help this young man understand that there are consequences to making bad decisions in the heat of the moment. I hope Mr. Ellis gets the help it seems like he needs since dealing with such a tragic incident as he had to witness at such a young age seems like it has affected him adversely.

[bearcat25]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Hahahaha, that is rich. Throwing akid away is helping him? Interesting.

You think everyone should get 2nd and 3rd chances? I'm thinking Mick knows more about the situation than you do.

We had 3 players kicked off the baseball team while I was at UC. All three of them deserved it.

I'd say trust that the coach knows what is best for his team......

[cincycpaw]

Originally Posted by bearcat25

You think everyone should get 2nd and 3rd chances? I'm thinking Mick knows more about the situation than you do.

We had 3 players kicked off the baseball team while I was at UC. All three of them deserved it.

I'd say trust that the coach knows what is best for his team......

Im ok with dismissal. Im not ok with ad remarks praising coaches leadership for kicking someone off the team. Seems really silly to me. Just like it would be silly to blame cronin for Ellis issues.

[OCASCM07]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Im ok with dismissal. Im not ok with ad remarks praising coaches leadership for kicking someone off the team. Seems really silly to me. Just like it would be silly to blame cronin for Ellis issues.

Cronin also didn't throw him out and tell him he was on his own. He said he would work to find a good place for Ellis to play at that would be beneficial to him. And yes the AD also had to give praise to the coach for handling the situation properly once again and to show people that he supports the coach in his decision.

[Binturong05]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Im ok with dismissal. Im not ok with ad remarks praising coaches leadership for kicking someone off the team. Seems really silly to me. Just like it would be silly to blame cronin for Ellis issues.

Keep in mind print space is limited and the quote chosen by the reporter may have been taken out of context which might contribute to biasing your interpretation of what was said. Whether something was misinterpreted or not the AD's comments don't seem crass to me. Behavior has consequences. A scholarship and being on the team is a privilege. Personally I think it would be much easier to keep Ellis on the team than to worry about filling his spot late in the recruiting cycle after you just lost a couple contributing seniors. The fact Mick and the AD chose to dismiss Ellis given the circumstances leads me to side with the coach and AD on this one.

After all, sometimes failure is life's best teacher. In fact, this is why many a college athlete thinks they are above the rules/law because someone along the way has often smoothed everything out for them simply because they can play ball. Not saying that is what is going on with Mr. Ellis because it sounds as though his family life was quite tragic but at some point he is going to have to cope and learn to conform to the standards expected by the community. He violated those standards for at least a second time that we know of so he had to go. Take comfort that Mick will see to it that he will be given another chance and a fresh start at a new program somewhere else where he will be removed from the distractions that unsettled his path in the City of Cincinnati.

[jplog]

The kid needed to go and Mick did what he had to do. I hate to see it happen but if this program is going to rise above it's past then Ellis couldn't stay. The question is what does Mick now do with the open scholarship?

[Carin's Dad]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Hahahaha, that is rich. Throwing akid away is helping him? Interesting.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. You'll notice there's no allowance for "Fool me three times"

[Pruke]

Originally Posted by cincycpaw

Im ok with dismissal. Im not ok with ad remarks praising coaches leadership for kicking someone off the team. Seems really silly to me. Just like it would be silly to blame cronin for Ellis issues.

It's clear they want to change the culture or perception of culture. I'm all for it. If he did it, he doesn't even deserve assistance in my opinion. That's a nice thing to do since Cronin wants to do something positive for the kid, AD is on mark.

[OCASCM07]

Talked to a good friend of mine who was working at PLAY that night for the first time since this incident. To summarize our conversation. Don't believe everything you hear on the news. McLucas was disgruntled for awhile, had put his two weeks in earlier in the week and was looking for a fight that night. Called Octavius something no Caucasian should ever say to an African-American in an already tense situation prior to shoving Octavius. And no one was blind-sided or sucker punched.

In the end I still stand by Mick's decision to kick Octavius off of the team because he shouldn't have even been near this situation. It did, however, confirm a lot of our suspicions that McLucas is a punk.