What do we really have on this roster?

Matt1982 · 03-17-2009, 03:18 PM

Guards - Vaughn, Dixon, Wright, Davis and what's the deal with Tyree? Is he or is he not on this team? I never heard a word about him.

Forwards - Gates. Bishop and Wilks

Centers - Mcclain and Toyloy.

Is Ibrahima a forward or a center? Mike Williams type of player or another Adam H or Mcclain?

So, if this is all correct, the only additions to this team as far as playing time will be Kilpatrick, Wright and Ibrahima?

Williams is likely gone, Mitchell is headed in the wrong direction...Tyree shown on the roster, but never heard of the kid. Branden is outta here,

So basically there are as many as 4 spots open or as few as 1 or 2 open depending on Mitchell and Williams.

This is what NEEDS to happen. Either Wright and/or Kilpatrick and Ibrahima need to come into this joint and throw some fun at the team. I envision Wright being a bit of an emotional guy, which could be great. Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a Bearcat get in the face of another Bearcat?? I can't even remember when. Ultimately, I haven't liked the direction this team has gone, as has anyone really. But I hope Mitchell and Williams just move on, as I also hope Bishop takes a leave because he's been just as much of a disappointment as Mitchell.

Since we're not taking a new direction coaching-wise, it'd be awfully nice to weed out some players who aren't cutting it, period.

Thegreatone · 03-17-2009, 03:21 PM

John Williamson was a hardass that would get in the face of his teammates.

Thomas is more like Williams, although taller and longer I cant imagine he is as good of a shooter.

TmacGoCats · 03-17-2009, 03:22 PM

Tyree will never play........he's strictly a practice player much like Miller was.

I don't want Bishop to leave. He brings some good things to the table.

righthook · 03-17-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt1982

Guards - Vaughn, Dixon, Wright, Davis and what's the deal with Tyree? Is he or is he not on this team? I never heard a word about him.

Forwards - Gates. Bishop and Wilks

Centers - Mcclain and Toyloy.

Is Ibrahima a forward or a center? Mike Williams type of player or another Adam H or Mcclain?

So, if this is all correct, the only additions to this team as far as playing time will be Kilpatrick, Wright and Ibrahima?

Williams is likely gone, Mitchell is headed in the wrong direction...Tyree shown on the roster, but never heard of the kid. Branden is outta here,

So basically there are as many as 4 spots open or as few as 1 or 2 open depending on Mitchell and Williams.

This is what NEEDS to happen. Either Wright and/or Kilpatrick and Ibrahima need to come into this joint and throw some fun at the team. I envision Wright being a bit of an emotional guy, which could be great. Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a Bearcat get in the face of another Bearcat?? I can't even remember when. Ultimately, I haven't liked the direction this team has gone, as has anyone really. But I hope Mitchell and Williams just move on, as I also hope Bishop takes a leave because he's been just as much of a disappointment as Mitchell.

Since we're not taking a new direction coaching-wise, it'd be awfully nice to weed out some players who aren't cutting it, period.

I remember hearing that one of the reasons Thomas left Okla St was that he was unhappy he had to play the post so much. He likes to float and play the perimeter a little. So I'm guessing he'll be used as more of a PF.

Thegreatone · 03-17-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TmacGoCats

Tyree will never play........he's strictly a practice player much like Miller was.

I don't want Bishop to leave. He brings some good things to the table.

Agreed and I have no reason to believe Rashad aka Rashard is going to leave. Only clowns on this boards have said he was thinking about it.

righthook · 03-17-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TmacGoCats

Tyree will never play........he's strictly a practice player much like Miller was.

I don't want Bishop to leave. He brings some good things to the table.

Agree about Bishop. I really don't see him as a disappointment. When he was recruited, he didn't have stats that blew anyone away or something he really excelled in. He was just one of those jack-of-all-trades utility type players. The problem may be that he has had to start most of the time when he'd probably do better as a steady multi-position player coming off the bench.

Matt1982 · 03-17-2009, 03:31 PM

Alright, arguments on Bishop are fair enough, I don't think he's a BE caliber starter, I'm ok with him coming off the bench to give quality minutes.

Thegreatone · 03-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt1982

Alright, arguments on Bishop are fair enough, I don't think he's a BE caliber starter, I'm ok with him coming off the bench to give quality minutes.

I agree, he would be a very good bench player with a lot of experience.

bcatwilly · 03-17-2009, 03:40 PM

We MUST have somebody who gets the other guys fired up and in line on the court. I also have some hopes that Cash Wright could end up being this type of guy. While it would seem to fly completely in the face of his apparent personality, can you image what it would mean to the rest of the team if Yancy turned into a 100% BEAST during the offseason and played that way on every play. Not only would Yancy have a shot at being first team all Big East in that scenario, but it would pay off huge with the efforts of other players. Mick really ought to be selling Yancy on that big time. Heck while I don't want to see Yancy leave any sooner than necessary that is also his ticket to significant NBA draft status after next season too.

03-17-2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt1982

Guards - Vaughn, Dixon, Wright, Davis and what's the deal with Tyree? Is he or is he not on this team? I never heard a word about him.

Forwards - Gates. Bishop and Wilks

Centers - Mcclain and Toyloy.

Is Ibrahima a forward or a center? Mike Williams type of player or another Adam H or Mcclain?

So, if this is all correct, the only additions to this team as far as playing time will be Kilpatrick, Wright and Ibrahima?

Williams is likely gone, Mitchell is headed in the wrong direction...Tyree shown on the roster, but never heard of the kid. Branden is outta here,

So basically there are as many as 4 spots open or as few as 1 or 2 open depending on Mitchell and Williams.

This is what NEEDS to happen. Either Wright and/or Kilpatrick and Ibrahima need to come into this joint and throw some fun at the team. I envision Wright being a bit of an emotional guy, which could be great. Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a Bearcat get in the face of another Bearcat?? I can't even remember when. Ultimately, I haven't liked the direction this team has gone, as has anyone really. But I hope Mitchell and Williams just move on, as I also hope Bishop takes a leave because he's been just as much of a disappointment as Mitchell.

Since we're not taking a new direction coaching-wise, it'd be awfully nice to weed out some players who aren't cutting it, period.

Ibrihama Thomas is PF and a good one (per someone who coached gainst him in Big 12).

WF Bishop - Wilks - Mitchell or Kilpatrick
PF Williams or recruit - Thomas
C Gates - Toyloy - McClain
SG Vaughn - Davis - Dixon
PG Wright - PG recruit

Very solid roster. Many Srs and Jrs, few Sophs and Frosh.

STKohls · 03-17-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bcatwilly

We MUST have somebody who gets the other guys fired up and in line on the court. I also have some hopes that Cash Wright could end up being this type of guy. While it would seem to fly completely in the face of his apparent personality, can you image what it would mean to the rest of the team if Yancy turned into a 100% BEAST during the offseason and played that way on every play. Not only would Yancy have a shot at being first team all Big East in that scenario, but it would pay off huge with the efforts of other players. Mick really ought to be selling Yancy on that big time. Heck while I don't want to see Yancy leave any sooner than necessary that is also his ticket to significant NBA draft status after next season too.

Wright seems to be a great teammate, witness the quiet encouragement he gave Steve Toyloy after the Foul Shooting debacle against West Virginia. Based on that, I'm not sure I see him getting in the face of his teammates. Of course, I don't know him personally so I could be completely wrong...

Bearcat Jeff · 03-17-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by STKohls

Wright seems to be a great teammate, witness the quiet encouragement he gave Steve Toyloy after the Foul Shooting debacle against West Virginia. Based on that, I'm not sure I see him getting in the face of his teammates. Of course, I don't know him personally so I could be completely wrong...

He gave encouragement and that too shows leadership. You haven't seen any player to player interaction this season. That is a good sign.

juckerrules · 03-17-2009, 04:30 PM

Bishop might be a more impressive player if we had a true point guard - he had to worry about bringing the ball up court half the time - might have taken away from his game - might also make him a much better player as a Junior, playing with Wright as the point and Rashad playing as a forward instead of some quasi guard/forward hybrid

Bearcat Jeff · 03-17-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by juckerrules

Bishop might be a more impressive player if we had a true point guard - he had to worry about bringing the ball up court half the time - might have taken away from his game - might also make him a much better player as a Junior, playing with Wright as the point and Rashad playing as a forward instead of some quasi guard/forward hybrid

I'm sure playing out of position hurt him and his progress. However, that doesn't excuse his play when he was at forward. He had far too many 1-3 point games. He can't be invisible that often on the offensive end. There are far too many players on this team with no aggression. They have to find guys that attack. Over the past 20 years the NCAA Champ has had at least 2 pros on the team. The Cats have to get there.

ralph1950 · 03-17-2009, 04:40 PM

UC has some decent basketball players on the team, if John Reik who was recruited by Duke and other big time schools could somehow get eligible, UC would be the favorite to win the 2010 NCAA Tourney.

BasketBySteveLogan · 03-17-2009, 05:02 PM

I like Rashad's defense and passing ability...

but he can't dunk. Not one dunk in two years.

I don't like having 6'5" guys who can't dunk- need better athletes than that to compete in the Big East.

DOOGINS · 03-17-2009, 05:05 PM

That's what I'm talking about. Norman Vincent Peale!!! Is there a chance, however slight that we get Reik in a uniform next year? If that day comes everthing changes. We would have a point guard. A great PF and a true center with depth. Happy St. Paddy's day!

slimm · 03-17-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat Fan Since 1958

Ibrihama Thomas is PF and a good one (per someone who coached gainst him in Big 12).

WF Bishop - Wilks - Mitchell or Kilpatrick
PF Williams or recruit - Thomas
C Gates - Toyloy - McClain
SG Vaughn - Davis - Dixon
PG Wright - PG recruit

Very solid roster. Many Srs and Jrs, few Sophs and Frosh.

this looks very nice. I think the fun & emotion might come back when/if some of the undisclosed issues are resolved in the off season
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Globe Trotting Cat Fan · 03-17-2009, 05:35 PM

I always love ralph's optimism...it often times puts mine to shame, and I appreciate that.

I had posted on here before that Riek was a virtual lock to NOT ever play at UC, nor college at all. I had very good sources on that. when the thread was started I believe a week ago, I again publicly stated that Riek was 99% to not ever play for us.

It does appear that my sources were wrong, and I will admit that readily now, if only because I heard from perhaps the best source a person can hear from that he is back in play.

However, there is still some trepidation on my part. I am hopeful, but still taking a "seeing is believing" attitude.

Also, as far as ralph's post about Riek = favorite for the 2010 National Title, I have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Love the enthusiasm about Riek, but I just don't agree.

Now, perhaps having him puts us firmly in the top 4 or 5 of the Big East next year, but National Title favorite I just can't see.

Again, love the enthusiasm as always.

Go Cats!

cincyboy24 · 03-17-2009, 05:47 PM

Why does no one like Alvin Mitchell? Have you guys forgotten what made the Cats good in the 90's? Its attittude and intimidation that teams use to fear whenever they had to play the Cats. I still remember the slogan they used about a decade ago, "Intimidate. Dominate. Celebrate." Alvin Mitchell may not be the best shooter, or dribbler, but honestly, not many players on the team right now can shoot or dribble. Alvin brings the attittude and swagger that the cats havent had since Kennedy was the interim. Watching the Big East Tourny game between Seton Hall and Syracuse when they got into the small confrontations you could see why Syracuse is good, they have attitude.

03-17-2009, 03:18 PM	#1
Matt1982 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Troy	What do we really have on this roster? Guards - Vaughn, Dixon, Wright, Davis and what's the deal with Tyree? Is he or is he not on this team? I never heard a word about him. Forwards - Gates. Bishop and Wilks Centers - Mcclain and Toyloy. Is Ibrahima a forward or a center? Mike Williams type of player or another Adam H or Mcclain? So, if this is all correct, the only additions to this team as far as playing time will be Kilpatrick, Wright and Ibrahima? Williams is likely gone, Mitchell is headed in the wrong direction...Tyree shown on the roster, but never heard of the kid. Branden is outta here, So basically there are as many as 4 spots open or as few as 1 or 2 open depending on Mitchell and Williams. This is what NEEDS to happen. Either Wright and/or Kilpatrick and Ibrahima need to come into this joint and throw some fun at the team. I envision Wright being a bit of an emotional guy, which could be great. Can anyone tell me the last time they saw a Bearcat get in the face of another Bearcat?? I can't even remember when. Ultimately, I haven't liked the direction this team has gone, as has anyone really. But I hope Mitchell and Williams just move on, as I also hope Bishop takes a leave because he's been just as much of a disappointment as Mitchell. Since we're not taking a new direction coaching-wise, it'd be awfully nice to weed out some players who aren't cutting it, period.

03-17-2009, 03:22 PM	#3
TmacGoCats Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cincinnati	Tyree will never play........he's strictly a practice player much like Miller was. I don't want Bishop to leave. He brings some good things to the table. __________________ God's word will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from God's word.

03-17-2009, 04:30 PM	#13
juckerrules Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007	Bishop Bishop might be a more impressive player if we had a true point guard - he had to worry about bringing the ball up court half the time - might have taken away from his game - might also make him a much better player as a Junior, playing with Wright as the point and Rashad playing as a forward instead of some quasi guard/forward hybrid

03-17-2009, 05:35 PM	#19
Globe Trotting Cat Fan Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: All over the world	I always love ralph's optimism...it often times puts mine to shame, and I appreciate that. I had posted on here before that Riek was a virtual lock to NOT ever play at UC, nor college at all. I had very good sources on that. when the thread was started I believe a week ago, I again publicly stated that Riek was 99% to not ever play for us. It does appear that my sources were wrong, and I will admit that readily now, if only because I heard from perhaps the best source a person can hear from that he is back in play. However, there is still some trepidation on my part. I am hopeful, but still taking a "seeing is believing" attitude. Also, as far as ralph's post about Riek = favorite for the 2010 National Title, I have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Love the enthusiasm about Riek, but I just don't agree. Now, perhaps having him puts us firmly in the top 4 or 5 of the Big East next year, but National Title favorite I just can't see. Again, love the enthusiasm as always. Go Cats! __________________ What I say in here is my opinion, my view. Some will like it, others won't. Agree with me or not, at least agree with this: Go Bearcats!

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03-17-2009, 03:21 PM	#2
Thegreatone Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007	John Williamson was a hardass that would get in the face of his teammates. Thomas is more like Williams, although taller and longer I cant imagine he is as good of a shooter.

03-17-2009, 03:31 PM	#7
Matt1982 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Troy	Alright, arguments on Bishop are fair enough, I don't think he's a BE caliber starter, I'm ok with him coming off the bench to give quality minutes.

03-17-2009, 03:40 PM	#9
bcatwilly Member Join Date: Apr 2007	We MUST have somebody who gets the other guys fired up and in line on the court. I also have some hopes that Cash Wright could end up being this type of guy. While it would seem to fly completely in the face of his apparent personality, can you image what it would mean to the rest of the team if Yancy turned into a 100% BEAST during the offseason and played that way on every play. Not only would Yancy have a shot at being first team all Big East in that scenario, but it would pay off huge with the efforts of other players. Mick really ought to be selling Yancy on that big time. Heck while I don't want to see Yancy leave any sooner than necessary that is also his ticket to significant NBA draft status after next season too.

03-17-2009, 04:40 PM	#15
ralph1950 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007	UC has some decent basketball players on the team, if John Reik who was recruited by Duke and other big time schools could somehow get eligible, UC would be the favorite to win the 2010 NCAA Tourney.

03-17-2009, 05:02 PM	#16
BasketBySteveLogan Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bellingham, WA	I like Rashad's defense and passing ability... but he can't dunk. Not one dunk in two years. I don't like having 6'5" guys who can't dunk- need better athletes than that to compete in the Big East.

03-17-2009, 05:05 PM	#17
DOOGINS Member Join Date: Sep 2007	That's what I'm talking about. Norman Vincent Peale!!! Is there a chance, however slight that we get Reik in a uniform next year? If that day comes everthing changes. We would have a point guard. A great PF and a true center with depth. Happy St. Paddy's day!

03-17-2009, 05:47 PM	#20
cincyboy24 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009	Why does no one like Alvin Mitchell? Have you guys forgotten what made the Cats good in the 90's? Its attittude and intimidation that teams use to fear whenever they had to play the Cats. I still remember the slogan they used about a decade ago, "Intimidate. Dominate. Celebrate." Alvin Mitchell may not be the best shooter, or dribbler, but honestly, not many players on the team right now can shoot or dribble. Alvin brings the attittude and swagger that the cats havent had since Kennedy was the interim. Watching the Big East Tourny game between Seton Hall and Syracuse when they got into the small confrontations you could see why Syracuse is good, they have attitude.